BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Dec 03 - 10:11 AM

It goes on everywhere, we had a wee problem here in the Glasgow Govan constituency, where Mohammed Sarwar was elected. Later there were accusations of fiddling votes, and a trial was held, but nobody was jailed, and Mr Sarwar is still the sitting MP. However the tales that came out at the trial would bring a tear to a glass eye. However we are talking west of Scotland politics here, and they've been working on the old cronies, and graft system since Adam was a boy. The Labour party ran an investigation too, but it was doomed to fail, there were so mant pitfalls, and bear traps, particularly the fact that he is the first Asian/Muslim MP in the UK. Can you imagine the cries of foul from every libertarian, bleeding heart, in the world if a thorough investigation was carried out on him?

Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Dec 03 - 05:24 PM

I'm not sure Derry was ever 75 per cent Catholic in the pre-Commission days, ard mhacha (14,300 catholic voters in 1966; 9,235 protestant). Still quite a gerrymandering achievement that it was able to return 12 protestant councillors and eight catholic. Other examples include Co Fermanagh, which was a 50-50 split, more or less, but with unionists outnumbering catholics 2-1 on the council and in Westminster representation. (Fermanagh county council employed 370 people of which 350 were protestant.)

Dungannon was 53 per cent catholic but council representation was 14-7 in favour of protestants. Kilkeel was 60 per cent catholic (you'd never believe it to see the town centre now!) but under unionist control from 1937 onwards.

Shirley Porter is as odious an individual as you could shake a stick at, but was a mere novice at gerrymandering. (For one thing, she got caught in the act.)

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Gareth
Date: 05 Dec 03 - 05:56 PM

What does this crap mean ? "Gareth,"Impersonation", you and your joined at the hip Conservative Cllr would need to undertand the terms of reference before embarking on any more crusades."

As I understand it Ard Macha is upset that he was not able to impersonate other voters.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,ro1sin
Date: 05 Dec 03 - 05:57 PM

ok we got to vote on Nov 26 where does it leave us now

more gerrymandering

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 12:41 PM

And of course there was another Labour stalwart John Stonehouse a former Government minister who in 1976, was given seven years for theft, fraud and deception.

The charges related to a string of failed fradulent businesses, Stonehouse when the going got hot faked his own death, he afterwards made his way to Australia, were he was arrested.

And there is more, T. Dan Smith the Labour leader of the Newcastle-on -Tyne who was sentenced to 5 years in prison.
Smith was public relations man for crooked architect John Poulson, Poulson won building design contracts by bribing City Councillors.

Smith was trapped within a web of corruption that proved his undoing.

As Giok says, it goes on everywhere, I wont bore you with an endless list of others.

Just a word of warning, beware of those who meddle in politics, they are quite corruptible. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Gareth
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 02:14 PM

Offer me a big enough bribe and yes I'am corruptable 10 millio Euro's might do it.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 02:34 PM

Of course those who don't dabble in politics can be pretty corruptible too, as has been demonstrated in the field of sport, for a start. Or the music business, for that matter. Anywhere where there's money to be made or power and influence to be traded, in fact.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 04:27 PM

The difference Mcgrath ,is that people dont go around killing one another over sport or music. The emotions stirred up by the politicians are deep and can be violent....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 04:52 PM

Not kill themselves over sport? I wish that was true, but it ain't. The emotions stirred up by sport can be pretty deep and violent. More especially in and around Football. See this list of books.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Gareth
Date: 06 Dec 03 - 07:34 PM

Ah ! Dear Ak' Obviously insulated from reality.

Just remember - When "England" play aanyone at football, a true Welshman supports the Police.

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Fiolar
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 08:39 AM

McGrath: Agree. Wasn't a Brazilian footballer shot dead some time ago because he was the cause of his team losing a football match?

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Big Tim
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 09:29 AM

Ake's right though - sport hasn't cost quite as much suffering and death as Irish history.

Fionn: how do you figure that the IRA won the war? As I see it, they have surrendered one principle after another (taking seats in the Dail, in the NI Assembly, territorial claim on North, and the right of the totality of the Irish people on a 32 County basis to decide Ireland's future) and they are still no further forward on the main issue: reunification.                                                

The war is over, Ireland is still divided and it's future status will be decided on a Six Counties basis only. That's what you call victory?

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Brendy
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 01:23 PM

I figured it, Tim.

And I figured it because the British Government effectively were bombed to the negotiating table.

It worked, and the rest (as they say) will be history!

Here's an interesting statistic: "A recent BBC news report stated that 13 people have been killed in the last 12 months..."

How many people have been killed in London in the same timeframe, I wonder...

Y'see, it doesn't really matter the reason one is killed. Death is ultimately the end result! You can get killed anywhere, as well! Being killed in the north of Ireland is no different, these days, from getting killed anywhere else in the World.

It never was!

B.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 03:22 PM

The crime figures for the north taken on a population ratio are well below any other part of the UK, our children at least can walk the streets in comparitive safety, this certainly wouldn`t be the case in the UK. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Dec 03 - 07:45 PM

Mcgrath....Sorry i couldn't reply to your post earlier ,regarding football hooliganism and thanks for the links to books.
How ever Im sure you would agree with me that football hooliganism is in fact a symptom of our sick society,rather than being directly linked to sport.
Football is an excuse for these people to use violence, not a reason..Sometimes I feel that your taking the piss....Ake.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,Den at work
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 09:29 AM

Fiolar, I think you may be talking about Andres Escobar, the Columbian player who scored an own goal in a game against the USA in '94 and was subsequently murdered outside a night club upon his return home.

ard mhacha, don't know if you've been getting or checking your PMs. I answered your PM about that CD you have and would love a copy. If that's still a go let me know.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 02:46 PM

Den,did enquire here and I may as well have been asking for Paisleys rosary beads,
Not a whimper of it, and I did tell our librarians that I had the Cassette about ten years ago, rest assured you will have a copy if I get it. Ard Mhacha.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,Shamrock
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 03:04 PM

and we are debating this infromt of the country that gave us Vietnam? and has sent money to the ould country to perpetuate the killing

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Brendy
Date: 08 Dec 03 - 03:34 PM

Indeed we are, and indeed they did.

And isn't it a big bad hypocritical world out there, Sham?

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 06:16 AM

The irony of it all,       New Labour introduced electoral reform to n Ireland
to prevent people stealing votes. Now a Judge in Birmingham has demanded n Ireland-style electroral reforms to stop New Labour stealing votes.

Richard Mawrey QC, currently presiding over a high court case into postal ballot fraud during the 2003 local elections, says irregularities
could be "virtually wiped out" if n Ireland`s voter registration system
was extended to Britain.

His remarks came after the prosecution accused New Labour councillors of identity theft "on an industrial scale".

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,The Curator
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 06:49 AM

Yet again Ard Mhacha you have your finger on the pulse.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 09:22 AM

Ard Macha, you said that the crime statistics in the north are lower on a per capita basis. Surely the reported reluctance of a large section of the population to report crime to the police, preferring instead to let their 'community leaders' sort out their problems, must skew those statistics?
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 01:00 PM

John, seeing those programmes on UK TV on the problems in every large city in England, juvenille crime, rampant drug culture I am thankful to be living here. certainly the young thugs here are a match for any of their counterparts across the dub, but thankfully they are not as numerous.
I am in touch with friends in a couple of those cities and they do not venture out late at night, espically on weekends, I am sure most British catters will agree.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 02:37 PM

I'm lucky in that I live in a small village [by choice] and walking the streets at night can be done with impunity. We do however have the seemingly ubiquitous problem of 'boy racers' who scream up the roud, do a U turn in the road by my gate and race back again, mandatory loud exhausts included. What I can't understand is why they think that everybody else shares their crap taste in music, as they scream around with all windows down no matter what the weather, with their ICE systems turned up full blast. If we do need to call on the boys in blue for any reason, it is the luck of the draw whether the phone forwarding system from unmanned police station to unmanned police station, brings you succour from 10 or 55 miles away. Small wonder the kids feel untouchable as they indulge in their high decibel 'peacock parade'.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: skarpi
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 03:09 PM

N-Ireland , who started this in the first place?????????????????
(I know the history ) but shoulden they be the one to
fix this ( Joke ) and this is not a Joke, this is big horror
and it should become to an end .
Are the children of the people who have been fighting
are they gonna do the same in the future ? or do they have the courage
to live In peace and let go of all the hate that have been goin on
there??? between them, I should not be writing about this
I was In N-Ireland and it´s great place and all the people I met
they where good to me and mine , I just can´t understand this
sorry I say this but ( most wars comes from the religions )
And where is roots of all this ???????? we should but a needle in it .

I have In my mind a picture and more thoughts but what ever I say or write is not gonna solve this (Proplem )
Both members have to give up something not just one.
If they do not this will go on and on , and the way I
see it , I feel like someone or some party´s are not willing to quit becouse they get something out of this ??????

Are they british or IRA ??????

Sorry about my ignorance,
All the best Skarpi Iceland.
To all the good people don´t give hope for a peace.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 03:54 PM

Oh Skarpi my friend if only it was that easy, I mean it should be, but we are fighting years of hatred and prejudice, this prejudice goes back far beyond the protestant catholic divide that characterizes today's problems. Back to the days of Oliver Cromwell, and others who occupied and plundered the island Ireland, and treated her people like slaves. Remember a conversation we had about the involvement of the Danes in your own country, and remember how you told me you feel about that bit of history. Who was it said to me he would rather speak gaelic than speak Danish? What is going on now with the McCartney family and Sinn Fein's disowning of the thugs who have kept order and discipline in the ranks of the PIRA for years, is perhaps the most momentous thing that has happened in Ulster for almost 80 years.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,The Curator
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 05:30 AM

Ha anyone noticed besides me that whenever Sinn Fein are about to make some political breakthrough or plant their asses in seats in government that out of the blue the forces of law and order (and collusion) seem to pull something out of the hat ! For example just as the Shinners got into Stormont, their offices were raided and it was like Watergate all over again. Then after a great election result, there was the break in at Castlereagh ! I was once taken to Gough Barracks in Armagh which is a lot smaller then Cstlereagh, and it took about 40 minutes to get through about eight sets of gates and vetted at each of them, so are the Lime asses telling me that a couple of boys from the Ra could just walk in and out ? No one ever gets done for these CRIMES just like the Northern Bank raid, it's the work of MI5. They simply can't and won't accept Catholic asses on the seats were once great men sat and called on all business men in Ulster not to employ Catholics as they can't be trusted. Words recently echoed by the D.U.P./Third Force.
We will see at the next election what the people think, despite the attempts of the S.D.L.P. (Still Don't Like Protestants) to blacken Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 06:03 AM

Have anyone asked Mr.Blair if thats true ? have the press done that ,
I mean about the bank rade that it´s MI5 , are they behind
it? Is Mr, Blair Stupid? has he not done enought crazy thing about Iraq? I think the people of the Bristish Islands should change then man on the bridge. I mean if this is true.
All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 06:48 AM

Skarpi if only life were so sweet. Everybody in Ireland knows if you want the truth about Ireland the last person to ask is a Brit politician.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 07:30 AM

We don't elect the man on the bridge, we only elect his party, which may be a big part of the problem.
Giok

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 02:57 AM

Skarpi, No one really believes MI5 robs banks to discredit people.
People pretend to believe it because the obvious truth does not fit with their philosophy.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: skarpi
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 03:53 PM

Well it´s time to say no more on my behalf I am on a thin ice here
I know that, but you have all said things that have give me knowledge about this un-understandable (Joke ) or what we should call this.

May we all live In Peace,
All the best Skarpi Iceland , witch still don´t understand this
.....................................................???????????
And never will.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,The Curator
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 08:44 AM

What does Keith really believe that MI5 wouldn't do such an underhand deed ? Get real, thats why they were created, they do what The British Government can't be seen to be involved in.What is it they say in Whitehall, Get the job done at any cost without getting our hands dirty.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: greg stephens
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 08:49 AM

Curator: you seem to be remarkably vague as to whether you are in the USA or Northern Ireland. Perhaps you have a fast jet? Can we be told?

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 01:51 PM

Remember everyone this thread was all about vote rigging, and I would be grateful to anyone who can tell me the outcome of the trial on vote rigging in England, presided over by Richard Mawrey QC.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: ard mhacha
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 02:16 PM

Yesterdays Times reports, that after being intimadated by four men in balaclavas a witness in the vote rigging trial, presided over by Richard Mawrey QC, has refused to give evidence fearing for the lives of his family.

The system the hearing has been told leaves postal voting wide open to fraud, voters can apply as little as 6 days before any election, and need not get their papers sent to their home address.

C`mon Tony get it sorted before the June election, we can`t have this in a democratic country.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: greg stephens
Date: 09 Mar 05 - 05:39 PM

ard mhacha: the vote-rigging is atrocious, you are dead right. But the politically correct are having trouble attacking it with the vigour it desrves, for obvious reasons. Hopefully these ludicrous new rules on postal voting will be reversed: before they were brought it was widely pointed out the opportunities they would bring for intimidation and fraud. These warnings have been absolutely proved to be right.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 12:54 PM

Today a guy over in Ulster walked free from a court who had been accused of the 2009 Massereene shooting in which two young British soldiers died.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-16637380

The same guy(Colin Duffy)had been charged in the 1990´s of murdering an off duty British soldier, he walked free from prison after the charges against him were dropped. A year or so later, he was again arrested and charged with the murder of two young police officers close to his home. A few months later he was released without charge.

I find it somewhat strange that someone charged with murdering five people in THREE seperate incidents walks out of a court room a free man for the THIRD time.

Either the justice system in Ulster is out to stitch this guy up,or he is a well placed individual.

Something very strange about the whole thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,Bluesman
Date: 20 Jan 12 - 01:39 PM

Here is more on the story from Reuters, ´

Colin Duffy has been charged with murder three times but on each occasion he has either been cleared or had his conviction quashed.

The 44-year-old was first acquitted of an IRA murder 20 years ago when senior nationalist political figures on both sides of the Irish border rallied to his defence.

But while he publicly declared his innocence at the time, he has been widely seen as a top Provisional IRA man, who left the organisation after it ended violence and cut ties with the Sinn Fein leadership of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness, who embraced the peace process.

He was loathed by loyalist paramilitaries who once tried to kill him, hated by Protestants in north Armagh and detested by unionist politicians.

"Many people were scared of him," said one source familiar with the top republican. "He would still be seen as a powerful figure today."

Duffy comes from Lurgan, Co Armagh, a bitterly divided town with Protestants at one end and Catholics at the other, in what was one of the most violent areas at the height of the Troubles.

The Good Friday peace agreement was signed off almost 14 years ago, but the town, only half an hour down the M1 from Belfast, still retains simmering dissident republican resentment to the peace process.

Duffy has been under security force surveillance for virtually all his adult life. As early as 1990 a high-powered video camera carrying Ministry of Defence markings was found trained on his house in Lurgan's Kilwilkie estate.

While Duffy is understood to have briefly continued to back Sinn Fein following the Good Friday peace deal of 1998, he soon rejected the party's direction and became associated with breakaway republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: GUEST,eoin
Date: 21 Jan 12 - 07:03 AM

. . . at least the killing has stopped

Subject: RE: BS: Northern Ireland What a Joke
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 12 - 10:01 AM

Bombing and attempted murders have not stopped.