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Is modern music shite?

GUEST,Bobjack 06 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM
GUEST,Dr.Quelch 06 Jan 04 - 08:26 AM
Pete_Standing 06 Jan 04 - 08:17 AM
Cluin 16 Dec 03 - 11:05 PM
PoppaGator 16 Dec 03 - 03:22 PM
Peg 16 Dec 03 - 10:54 AM
Peace 16 Dec 03 - 10:36 AM
Sweetfia 16 Dec 03 - 07:38 AM
Peter Woodruff 15 Dec 03 - 05:35 PM
Peace 15 Dec 03 - 05:01 PM
Helen 15 Dec 03 - 04:20 PM
FJGI 15 Dec 03 - 07:45 AM
Grab 15 Dec 03 - 06:56 AM
GUEST,Ghost of Noah Webster 14 Dec 03 - 01:31 PM
Clinton Hammond 14 Dec 03 - 11:37 AM
GUEST 14 Dec 03 - 11:25 AM
Mr Red 14 Dec 03 - 04:22 AM
GUEST 14 Dec 03 - 04:11 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 14 Dec 03 - 03:15 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 14 Dec 03 - 03:12 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 14 Dec 03 - 02:56 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 14 Dec 03 - 02:49 AM
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Helen 14 Dec 03 - 02:03 AM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 14 Dec 03 - 01:22 AM
Chip2447 14 Dec 03 - 12:58 AM
McGrath of Harlow 13 Dec 03 - 10:27 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 13 Dec 03 - 10:17 PM
GUEST,Clint Keller 13 Dec 03 - 09:27 PM
Helen 13 Dec 03 - 09:05 PM
Dave the Gnome 13 Dec 03 - 06:37 PM
GUEST,Noah Webster 13 Dec 03 - 06:26 PM
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Peace 13 Dec 03 - 04:18 PM
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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Bobjack
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM

Having just read most of the above thread I now find myself exhausted! I am so glad that I am a Guinea Pig and not a human, we in piggy land have little or no access to computers, and long may it remain so.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Dr.Quelch
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:26 AM

Here is a undeniable truth. Crap is shite.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 08:17 AM

jOhn

Got any other cracking chat-up lines for a lonely heart?


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 11:05 PM

Well, Sweetfia, John from Hull pretty much set the tone for this thread right from the beginning. It's not surprising how it's turned out.

I hold with the "95% of everything is crap" observation. Still I find myself sounding more and more like my father every year concerning what "the kids" are listening to these days. I've tried, really tried to keep an open mind but it just seems I'm becoming more and more jaded and ornery. I also seem to listen to less music of all kinds overall these days. I find I can go a whole day without turning on the stereo or TV and not miss it at all. Not like my younger days at all when I always had to have some background noise going on.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 03:22 PM

There is vital new original music being made everywhere in the world, but most of the world (especially the industrial "first" world) only gets to hear a small and very mediocre slice of it.

In the early 1970's, I became disgusted with mass-media popular music, dismayed to witness the sudden end of an era when terrific and, yes, revolutionary music had begun to find its way to a wide public via album-length recordings and FM radio.

That's when I moved to New Orleans, which has always had its own local music scene, and just quit listening to the watered-down crap promoted and promulgated throughout the outside world. Here, new music and new approaches to playing are emerging all the time, most of it quite beautiful and exciting, but very little of it ever emerging into national or international consciousness.

I've had the pleasure of witnessing performances by some of the most talented and expressive musicians ever to walk the earth -- some of whom you've heard of (or *should* have heard of), others who will sadly never be known outside their families and neighborhoods.

So -- I know that there is contemporary music that is wonderful. But -- most of that stuff being sold to us via the public airwaves? Shite, indeed!

PS: If you've got a high-speed connection, a sound card and speakers, you can hear some of what I'm talking about, any hour of the day or night, 24/7, at:

www.wwoz.org


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peg
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 10:54 AM

well, coming rather late to the thread, I must say, most of the "popular" music (Top 40) I hear on the radio does very little for me. Even interesting artists like Tori Amos and Liz Phair have allowed this smooth electronic pop soundalike stuff to permeate what were once very original-sounding songs. When we talk about "popular" music now we tend to mean those bands and their songs that pretty much all sound alike: similar use of meoldy and rhythm, similar singing styles (just now the over-ornamented psuedo-gospel of American Idol imitating Mariah Carey and Celine Dion is the popular thing; I am very very sick of good singers who are unable to get an original sound out of their throats...but being young maybe they will find their true voice at some point), and, perhaps more than anything, similar production values. I think it is production more than anything which typifies an era of recorded music, especialy since music started being so much more about electronics, starting in the 1970s. Think fo what a "different" sound the Beach Boys had. The songs were sometimes a bit silly (Surfer Girl) but no one could deny the production was absolutely brilliant.
I think there are some very talented songwriters and performers today working in a number of different popular genres, from folk to rock to disco, many of whom have shown some interesting growth over the years, like Dave Matthews, Paula Cole, Paul Weller, David Bowie, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, Neil Finn, Mike Scott, etc. I think some of the best bands of the last twenty years include some very experimental groups like Dead Can Dance, the Cocteau Twins, the Cure, Basque, Splashdown, Afro-Celt Sound System, and more "traditional" (in terms of rock/pop) ones like the Waterboys, Crowded House, the Jam, etc.
I think some of the most exciting contemporary music now is coming out of Scandinavia, where vibrant young groups are combining traditional and new sounds and instruments together to create a stunning body of work, like Garmarna, Hedningarna, Vartina, etc.

And I still think some of the contemporary/"traditional" bands out of Ireland and Scotland are terrific...

What the heck does "modern" mean anyway?


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 10:36 AM

The posting posters posted posts,
Some with meekness, some with might;
And what remains amuses most:
The thread itself has turned to shite.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Sweetfia
Date: 16 Dec 03 - 07:38 AM

I hate it when threads turn like this (i'm not talkin about people who have posted posts relating to the title of the thread).


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peter Woodruff
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 05:35 PM

Did someone ask? Is this post shite? I most imfatically agree! Music and poetry and science and metaphysical studies move on! "If you you can't stand the heat then get out of the kitchen."
                                        Some past American President.


Peter Woodruff


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 05:01 PM

Lotsa tough-guy talk here. I am impressed.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 04:20 PM

FJGI,

I think you are right, there. When money becomes the prime focus then the music becomes second best.

Warning to thread-creeps! Go and find your own thread. Enough is enough. Either discuss the topic and let us discuss it, or go somewhere else, please.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: FJGI
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 07:45 AM

I think modern music is not shite. But commercial music could be shite.
Music industry is looking for MONEY (logic) and secure investment. Promotion = 99% of success; Frequently, talented musicians are not the most important.....
Francisco


http://usuarios.lycos.es/fjgiproductions


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Grab
Date: 15 Dec 03 - 06:56 AM

i emailed him and tolfd him, but he dident ansewr me, i wonder why!

Well I know for a fact that if I got an email that read like the drunken ramblings of a tramp sat in the gutter, I for damn sure wouldn't reply either. As far as telling the guest to stay on topic - "OI KETTLE, YOU'RE BLACK!!!!"

And as for the pathetic threats of violence, well that just rings of drunks shouting "ah'll aaave yee" when they can't put one foot in front of the other. If any of us do end up in Hull, I think we'll make damn sure and avoid your folk club - as an advert for it, you're a helluva good reason to stay away.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Ghost of Noah Webster
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 01:31 PM

I don't know who that imposter above was, but it was not I who called into question the validity of the word "shite". It is, I have long known, a commonly used term, which is often used as an adjective, roughly equivalent to the North American "shitty": possessing many of the qualities of feces. For example, I would say that jOhn from Hull's use of grammar, spelling, punctuation, and indeed the use of the English language in general was the very definition of "shite"--the same for his opinions and attitudes. If he is insistent on advertising his ignorance and arrogance to the world on this new technological marvel you call the Internet (a lovely term), then he should expect--and indeed welcome--criticism and disagreement. That is just my spectral opinion, however.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 11:37 AM

John... do the world and Mudcat a favour... take a page from other catters here and come up with another user name for when yer posting as a piss-tank... That way, everyone can see right away that you're also "Blind Drunk" and give you the attention you deserve...

That is, none...


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 11:25 AM

The amount of rubbish that comes out of cans these days..

   .... and what a lot of people go in for "piss-head" baiting.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 04:22 AM

Sturgeon's Rule (Theodore Sturgeon - science fiction writer)

nine tenths of everything is crud

We can argue about the numbers but I think there will be few but the most provocative who would question the sentiment.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 04:11 AM

jOhn, I think you are getting a wee bit mixed up. I think you'll find it's "don't mess with Bill" which was a song by perhaps the velvettes or the Marvelettes perhaps. I can't ever remember a song called "dont mess with Hull people" and I would also like to add that I have occasionally had 'some good shit' so there put that in your pipe and smoke it.

keep on keeping on Ritchie


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 03:15 AM

Guest-dony mess with hull people, thats your last, and final warning.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 03:12 AM

guest=you been warned now, so watch it,
i am ex army boxer, mick is ex boxer in navy, bassic is know karate, el ted is know wrestling etc etc, just donyt mess with us, you been warned now, just watch it,=
if you still mess with us, you are stupid!
ps=you are stipid anyway, everybody knows that!
we cant even hit you! [hitting stupid people is called bad manners]
be careful though, maybe we forget you are stupid!


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:56 AM

yes, i did say that, [i just checked!
at madcat tine, 10.17
2if you .....
you know waht i meen!
=guset=talk about what we talking about, or shut up,
anyway-you lucky, if this was my website, i find out who you are, then shoot you, that would shut you up!
you bloody lucky!,
don't ever come to hull, [thats a warning, [come if you like, but you wont last 5 minutes!, come if you like, but if we dont like you, you end up thrown in the river , or worse!
best you don't come here!


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:49 AM

guset-i told you already=either talk about the thinhg we talkking about, or shut up.john


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:10 AM

Is everybody on this thread drunk? I know for a fact I am.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 02:03 AM

John Butler Trio sample tracks

The 4th track - or is it the 3rd? - is a didgeridoo but I imagine that it moves into a more bluesy feel after that. Tantalisingly short samples.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 01:22 AM

Yeah, there's another thing!
Fame Accademy, [granted some arsohle will tell me iv'e spellrd academy wrong, do i give a shit? ;-)
Fame Accademy eh!, wahts all that about then?, bunch of crap!,
teaching folk to be famous, biggest load of shit i've ever heard of!
h
"heres the deal, we sign you up, you sign a cover version from the sisties, get to number 1, in the uk charts [not sure how true this is, but i heard you can get a number 1 nowadays with only 50,000 sales!], get a number 1, make a million, we will keep most of it, and give you a few quid!"
excuse me if i sound cynical [sp], but the uk music industry is, and has been for at least the last 10 years, total and utter shite, and if anyone of you here, does not understand the word shite, i mean poo, crap, pants, garbage, rubbish, cack.
have a listen to radio 1, i'ts supposed to be the flagship radio station for the uk, all they play is shit!, most of the so called artists on there, can not even play an instrunent!
[yeah, i know i sound like my dad, but its true!, .
in the last couple of years, a couple of friends, [jenny, dave, shelima, rob, etc etc], have said, "your getting old and out of touch"!, but, i disagree, bbc radio 1, is going crap, i am only an amateur musician, but, i reckon, i could play better than most of them, it is mass produced garbage, ie, sampled from a digital midi machine!, well we could all do that!., where is the new talent?
[and don;t tell me it;s on POp Idel! because thats a load of shit as well,
My honestr opinion is, that most of the new music out nowadays is absolute crap, and the stuf that is not new music, is cover versio ns, is cover versions, ftron the sixties!
SO, where, is all the deceny, new music?

I was going to leave this thread alone, ["john is talking shit, getting old etc, trying to make trouble etc, winding us up for a joke etc"
but no, its crap, =
can ANY mudcatter here, name the uk top ten chart of the moment?
and then reccommend to us the best songs in the chart?
i doubt it, as its alll shit.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Chip2447
Date: 14 Dec 03 - 12:58 AM

You say po tate o, I say poh tato. One persons trash is another's treasure. Yada yada yada...

    To the musical purists out there everything but their genre's of choice is shit. To the eclectic musical souls there is good music in all genre's. Its all a matter of individual tastes, personally, I cant stand about 98% of Bob Dylan. That's me. It's not shit by any definition of the word, he's a very talented singer songwriter. I just dont like the presentation.

    I'm a child of those late sixties and early seventies as well, and I gave my parents ROCK and ROLL headaches. Disco sucked, big band was hokey, country was for the old farts and classical was for cartoons. My how the things change with time. Don't pooh pooh one type of music because you dont like it or dont understand it. Embrace it all as MUSIC and not as pidgeonholed labels. Listen to what you like, don't be afraid to venture out of your mindset and experiment with "NEW" stuff.

    Yes, there is a lot of crap out there, but as others have said, the shit is consistant across the spectrum of musical genre's, but there are real gems out there as well. It's our duty to find them, pass them along (sounds like the folk process at work)and keep them alive.

Chip2447


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:27 PM

Isn't there something a bit inconsistant with old farts using shite as a pejorative term.?

Since I was a young fart I've always worked on the assumption that the best music is the old music, especially when it's so old people think it's new. And it seems to me there are probably more young people who think like that, and make music like that, then there ever used to be.

Meanwhile the music industry runs round in circles frantically cranking out stuff I wouldn't dignify with the term jOhn uses.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 10:17 PM

I agree with bee buddy ell, ie quoite" commerxial radio is shit",
i think non commercial radio is shite as well, in the UK, ee got 1 hour a week, of folk music, on national [state] radio, 9thats the mike harding show, and he plays the same stuff every week, and people get fed up off it,
i emailed him and tolfd him, but he dident ansewr me, i wonder why!, [ i know why because its true, !
i if i had money, and knew how to do it, i would start my own radio station, and play good music, there is 2 national classic radio statiuons here, radio 3, classic fm etc,
and a jazz station, [jazz fm[, but no folk station,.
ps, its 3am here, and i had a few cans, so if guest moans that i spelled antyingh wrong, then he can just go and kiss my fat arse,
guest-either talk about the thing we talking about, or shut up.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:27 PM

I believe William Blake (himself) used the word in a satiric verse; can't find the book, but it was something like

"If Blake could do this when he got up from a shite
Think what he could do if he sat down to write."

& there's a long -legged waterbird here in N. Idaho the old-timers called a Shitepoke.

The study of language is full of wonders.

clint


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Helen
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:05 PM

Guest, Not Webster,

If you were Webster then you would have looked up a dictionary and found that "shite" has a long history of usage in the British Isles. For a Mudcat discussion on this:

Pronunciation over there


So, back to the topic:

My previous comments about modern music were specifically about the huge shift I have noticed towards more and more rap, with little emphasis on music, melody, arrangements, and less musical-music being played on the Oz alternative station Triple-J. This station is always way ahead of the commercial stations in trying out new music and are often months or a year ahead of the other stations picking up albums and giving them good airplay. Their brief is to play alternatives to the Top Forty/commercially developed pop/pap.

So, what has been happening in the last year or so is there has been a creeping increase in the percentage of non-musical rap because the words are worthwhile or it is something different. But what it means for me because I find it very, very difficult to decipher lyrics at the best of times, and even more so when the enuniciation is unclear, I am finding less and less music that I like to listen to on that station. If I wanted to listen to poetry with a drum beat and a token gesture of "music" I would listen to it, but I want to listen to music.

Repetition of rhythm parts over and over, with no variation, and often out of sync with the rest of the arrangement (I suspect not deliberately, but due to a lack of musical knowledge and/or ability) start to really jar on my ears. It reminds me very much of the Muzak in the British tv series The Prisoner. He is stuck in a room with continual piped mindless music and every time he contrives to break the speakers the little repair-bot comes in and fixes them.

Living in the same house as someone who prefers to have the radio on constantly, on the stereo in the room which is at the exact centre of the house, means that I cannot get away from the music unless I shut the door and play my own music in my office. A very unsociable thing to do.

Up to a year or so ago I would still have been listening to this station fairly regularly, but lately the Rap music has driven me away from it.

It reminds me of the time (oops - old codger alert!) when disco took over the airwaves (before Triple-J started being beamed into our area) and the antidote was punk. So in rock/pop music there were only really two extremes to listen to. I chose punk, despite its relative unmusicality, because of the social messages and their attitudes.

I have always thought that Rap was a legitimate social commentary, but I can listen to some, like Michael Frante, and not to others, like Eminem who seems to be advocating violence, hate, anti-gay sentiments, putting women down, etc etc.

There is only one song I stop to listen to at this stage on Triple-J and it is a new single called Zebra by the Western Australian group called The John Butler Trio. Look out for them. In my opinion, they are worth listening to.

Last January, when Triple-J did their Hottest 100, voted on by the listeners, I only liked about 2 songs in the whole lot. (We were driving back from a holiday down south so we heard the whole broadcast from 9am to 6pm). In previous years, I sould have liked at least a third and really-liked a few.

Helen


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:37 PM

It's probably the Hull spelling, Noah. Good luck with your dictionary BTW.

:D


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Noah Webster
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:26 PM

What the hell does "shite" mean? Is it supposed to be a pompous spelling of "shit?"

Where I come from a 4-letter word is supposed to have 4 letters.

BTW, every generation since the 1950's, if not before, has though the next generation's music was shit. And they were always right about a lot of it, and always wrong about some of it.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 06:13 PM

No.

Hull is shite.

Modern music is OK.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 04:18 PM

Ms Lemon: Posh was a Spice Girl. Ya likes what ya likes. Years back, I went to the Montreal Museum of Fine Art to see a Rembrant (sp?) display. I didn't like it. The guide was talking about old R in his 'Blue Period". I thought he was sad for a long time. Maybe it was to do with paint. Either way, it struck me then that I enjoyed the paintings I liked, and I could give two cents for the rest. I'm still like that. I love to look at much of van Gogh's work, but I don't care for all of it. I have never been the slightest bit interested in explaining why I do or don't like something. I'm still like that forty year later. I refuse to explain to vegetarians why I like steak OR potatoes for that matter. Taste is individual. I hear what you're saying, and I do agree. I won't ask you to explain why. Have a good day.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: the lemonade lady
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 03:18 PM

To a certain extent I would have said yes, until I heard my 15yr old daughter trying to play chords of stuff she's down loaded from the Net. Given a different medium some of it sounds quite good! Taken back to it's bare bones, we could turn it into something to which it is worth listening. If that's good English grammar, it sounds awfully posh! #8-)

Sal


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Ghost of Noah Webster
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 02:22 PM

I am most interested if jOhn from Hull has seen one my dictionaries in his travels. Or does he perhaps prefer to type with his willy? Or perhaps "jOhn from Hull" is a code name for a secret project involving a multitude of monkeys pounding out abstruse messages on computer keyboards. If so, then pray let us know when you achieve "Hamlet".


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Peace
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM

I don't necessarily know what's good, but I do know what I like.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,John
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 09:09 AM

Year 1966 (when I was young)
Beatles - Shite
Rolling Stones - Shite
Elvis - Shite
Jerry Lee Lewis- Shite
Everbody else - Shite
That was the opininon of every adult.
("Turn down that f***ing noise")
I think modern music is TOTAL SHITE but I am
just another antiquated adult.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Ritchie
Date: 13 Dec 03 - 08:40 AM

do you know that if you take the letters from "is modern music shite" jumble them up, add a few more and take away a couple ..you come up with the phrase "Is n't the Mudcat wonderful" now howay man yall must agree with that statement....all the very best ...Ritchie, keeping it real.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 03:09 PM

"The OP is proof that care in the community has failed."

I have no idea what that sentance means Guest... care to claify a bit?


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 02:53 PM

I came over here out of curiosity after the postings on the Radio 2 forum. The OP is proof that care in the community has failed.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Grab
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:55 PM

Snuffy, "Tie me kangaroo down sport" is surviving in the tradition as well, but that doesn't make it a good song. Not everything that's worth remembered is kept, and not everything that should be forgotten is discarded... ;-)

Clint, again, the good ones do. Same goes for anything though - I heard three of the singers in the BBC Young Folk awards this week, and I could only hear the words from one of them.

Schantieman, it as far as volume goes, (IIRC from NewScientist) loud music stimulates the body to release chemicals which cause pleasure. My personal take on that is that humans are pretty sophisticated so we do need to buy into the music (ie. not just any music at high volume will do), but if we do then the higher volume gives more pleasure than a lower volume. That explains (a).

I'm not going to try and justify why bands have a rhythm section, but I'll just say that every dance band I've heard playing a ceilidh has someone "oompah"-ing in some way to give the rhythm (often an accordian), so a bass-beat is not a new invention.

Graham.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:27 PM

"Is modern music shite?"

As a good friend of mine was once fond of saying, "95% of everything is cr@p!"

Modern, old... whatever... most of it sucks...

but why concentrate on the negative?

I'm mostly on Grabs side here...


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Schantieman
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:19 PM

...oh, and yes, jOhn: if you can't stand the music, get out of the car! I think I'd rather put up with it for a bit than walk miles in the rain carrying the shopping!

S


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Schantieman
Date: 12 Dec 03 - 01:17 PM

I didn't like pop music even when I was a teenager. (I did pretend to for about six months, but soon saw the error of my ways). I can't, and never have been able to take:
(a) the extreme volume at which it always seems to be played
(b) the incessant and tedious drum beat
(c) the throbbing bass guitar
(d) the need to electrify everything (partly consequent upon (a) & (c))

There are exceptions - I was, from the age of six, a Beatles fan. I was brought downstairs from bed one evening to see them on TV singing "She Loves You" - not, I think one of their best, although certainly one of their most popular.

...And, I don't like the same treatment applied to traditional music either - so Fairport etc. not really my bag.

I once discussed this with the Head of Music at my first school (as a teacher, you understand). I said that I didn't like this stuff myself, but that didn't make it "bad music". "Ah!", he said, "but it is bad music."   Unfortunately I didn't fully understand the musical argument against it (being somewhat deficient in musical education) and have now forgotten it.
When asked why they like this music (and I had to restrain myself there from putting it in inverted commas), they always say, "because it's good." Not a terribly strong argument, I've always thought!
So - does anybody have a good, relatively simple argument that i an use to demonstrate why it is inherently bad?

Steve


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 03:00 PM

if the mullahs ever gain control, than maybe all modern music may be shiite but for now there is still some sunni music available,


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 02:16 PM

Does anyone remember Theodore Sturgeon, sf'/fantasy writer & player of the 12-string guitar?

He was holdiing forth on the virtues of science-fiction as serious literature and the person he was holdiing forth at said "Ted, 90% of science-fiction is crap."

Sturgeon said "90% of e v e r y t h i n g is crap."

This has become universally recognized as Sturgeon's Law.

So, yes, modern music is indeed 90% shite. Of course, we don't all agree on who's in that 90 percent.

Except for rap. I'd be glad to follow Grab's advice and listen to the words, but the rappers are too mush-mouthed for me to understand. If the words are important, why the hell not enunciate them? My ears are gone in the high frequencies, but I can understand Dylan & Cohen.

clint


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: Benjamin
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 02:12 PM

There's many things about modern music that I don't like. For one, it seems to be more about the image than the music itself. However, hidden in the midst of pop culture (and sometimes disguised in it) are some decent stuff. For example, while Anggun's music is mostly programed pop music, she herself is a great singer with a very unique voice. I love the way she can phrase a line.
Anyways, music is unseparatable from culture, and a principle of culture is that it changes. Still, I believe it is VERY important to look at past cultures, including their music.


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 01:23 PM

Most people judge music based on whether it pushes their happy buttons, not on whether it is actually well written, well performed, or well played. Like it or not, most of the stuff you hear on the radio is well written, well performed, and well played--most of it isn't very interesting though, but a lot of what people call folk is fairly dull as well--


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Subject: RE: Is modern music shite?
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 11 Dec 03 - 12:42 PM

Some is, some isn't. Always been that way. I'm pushing 57 and some of what I hear nowadays certainly doesn't get my motor running, but my 23-year-old son (who, by the way, is a crackin' guitar player in the Mark Knopfler vein) thinks it's fantastic. However, I listen to, for example, Eminem and I'm staggered by his lyrics. I can remember me old dad telling me around 1964 or 5 that The Beatles were a heap of rubbish and 'No one will remember them five years from now'. How wrong was he! It was an age thang!

Mooh's right, shite's in the ear of the beholder. One man's meat etc.

Johnny :-)


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