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greatest irish rebel song EVER....

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Subject: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: iRiShBaBe
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 06:45 PM

hey guys, just wonderin what ye'd consider the greatest rebel song ever,
blak and tans...?
sean south...?
lemme no ye'r comments...


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Gareth
Date: 30 Dec 03 - 06:57 PM

"The Sash my father wore."

Gareth


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From: Padre
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 12:02 AM

The Croppy Boy


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From: DonMeixner
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 12:35 AM

Skibereen


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From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 02:19 AM

House Of Orange


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 02:30 AM

Oh shit, here we go again.

Seamus


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Greycap
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 03:39 AM

James Connolly-in my humble opinion


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 04:46 AM

The ' Patriot Game ' by Dominic Behan. What a great line ' Love of ones country is a terrible thing.'
eric.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: The O'Meara
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:07 AM

Depends on what you're trying to do with it. For stirring people up its hard to beat "O Donnel Abu." For general purposes I like "The Rising of the Moon."

O'Meara


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: kendall
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:26 AM

I like "Kevin Barry"


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From: Willie-O
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:36 AM

I don't know all of 'em, but "The Foggy Dew" has all the elements you need--strong poetry, strong melody line, guts. I learned it off Big Mick's band CD and it has gotten me quite a few free Guinnesses...


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 08:53 AM

I'm not a big lover of the 'all English are (whatever expletive you like)' songs and find some both offensive and unecessary.

However, if you define greatest as having the greatest impact then my vote goes to the songs that 'have a go' in a more subtle manner. My facourite of that ilk must be Dominic Behan's 'Surrounded by water'.

I like Kevin Barry as well and have been known to sing it or accompany it on whistle occasionaly.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:13 AM

Am I missing some deeply post-ironic take here? 'Skibereen' is about emigration, not rebellion, 'Sash' is a Loyalist ditty and 'Patriot Game' is a dispassionate appraisal of how the Irish people have been fundamentally conned.

The most 'patriotic' song in praise of Ireland I know is 'Song for Ireland', written by Phil Colclough. An Englishman.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Mickey191
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:15 AM

My all time favorite is Boolavogue. Had it not been written, Patriot Game.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Mick
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 09:27 AM

I'm with Seamus on this one, here we go again. But as long as I am posting I would have to say that "Minstrel Boy" done appropriately would have to be top 10. As well as "The Soldiers Song" which the Irish people thought enough of to make their National Anthem.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Fiolar
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:37 AM

What about "Roddy McCorley" and "Henry Joy"?


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: mg
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:48 AM

I am leaning toward Bold Fenian Men....mg


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,gurrier
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 11:00 AM

broad black brimmer, come out ye black an tans & boys of the old brigade. anyone of these would do me...


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Amos
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 11:04 AM

The Rising of the Moon always struck me as the archetype, although there are others far more melodious, rhythmic, or name-your-criteria. I don't believe there is one above the rest and the question therefore is futile. Each of thems ings in its own soft amaze. I vote for all the above. I would add Kelly, and in a quirky interpretation, perhaps the Wild Colonial Boy!

A


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Jimmy C
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 11:13 AM

There are many that could be considered as the "best". My own favourite would be a choice between

" Wrap the Green Flag Round me Boys".
The Wests Awake
Who Fears to Speak of 98
The Foggy Dew
and if someone could put it to music, the poem " A Terrible Beauty"

Aw what the heck - They are all great.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 12:31 PM

If I had to chose one, for me it would be Roddy McCorley.

In a very different sort of style, I could suggest The Galtee Mountain Boy...


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 12:44 PM

If we are widening the definition how's about "The boys are back in town"

The drink will flow and blood will spill
And if the boys want to fight, you'd better let them


If that isn't rebelious I don't know what is!

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,Aidan
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 04:23 PM

I think the greatest song ever written (as voted for in a recent BBC poll) is "A nation once again".
Every song relating to the Irish struggle has been a classic IMO and a case could be made for " Roll of honour" by the Irish brigade. But in "a nation once again" we have everything that the centuries of struggle have been about!


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Joybell
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 05:08 PM

"Roddy McCorley" for me too and from the female perspective
"The Glens of Sweet Mayo"


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Peace
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 05:48 PM

Roddy McCorley.


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From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 06:37 PM

My hope is that it hasn't been written yet.


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From: cobber
Date: 31 Dec 03 - 10:11 PM

I like follow me up to Carlow


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: DonMeixner
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 02:31 AM

Even tho' I gave an answer to this I must agree with Mick and Seamus.
These are really "Favorites" threads. Can't possibly be a best.

And Skibereen is my "Favorite."

Don


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 05:32 AM

Belfast Graves,
Bold Fenian Men (Peadar Kearney),
Bold Fenian Men (Michael Scanlan),
Bold Robert Emmet(despite Prof Marianne Moore's recent objections!),
Boolavogue,
Broad Black Brimmer,
Boys of the County Cork,
Boys of Kilmichael,
Boys of Mullaghbawn,
Croppies Who Will Not Lie Down,
Drumboe Martyrs,
Erin Go Bragh,
Foggy Dew,
General Monro,
Irish Ways and Irish Laws,
Irish Soldier Boy,
Jackets Green,
Joe McDonnell,
Limerick is Beautiful,
Memory of the Dead,
Michael Collins,
Michael Davitt,
Only Our Rivers,
Outlaw Rapparee,
Rebel Heart,
Sean South,
Sean Treacy,
Shan Van Vocht,
Slan Libh,
Slievenamon,
Tipperary So Far Away,
Valley of Knockanure,
Wearing of the Green,
West's Awake.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 06:08 AM

Tim, Very good, but the best one is missing Skibereen, beautiful air and excellent verse, "i`ll be the one to lead the van beneath the flag of green, and loud and high we`ll raise the cry, revenge for Skibereen,".
And I will be at the back. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 06:27 AM

In Brendan Behan`s book Borstal Boy while serving time during the Second World War, he sang The Felons of our Land at the Christmas Concert, this is as good as any of the above and I have always heard it sung with great passion from many an old timer. "But what care we, although it be, trod by a ruffian band, God bless the clay, where rest today the Felons of our Land",.          Ard Mhacha


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Fiolar
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 08:23 AM

Ard Mhaca: I had to give a wry grin at your posting about Skibbereen even I'm a Corkman myself. It was noted in the book "Towards Ireland Free" by Liam Deasy that the town was criticised by the IRA command in the War of Indpendence because the local brigade hardly saw any action. Happy New Year.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 08:28 AM

..the merry ploughboy


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 08:53 AM

I wouldn`t argue with that point of view, as the Song says they were kicked out by the local Squires,landed gentry, or whoever did the dirty work around the mid 1800s, as the man in the song says, "just you bastards bloody wait and i`ll let you know" [or words to that effect]. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: kendall
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 09:18 AM

Four Green Fields (Tommy Makem)


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From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 09:56 AM

Mrs McGrath


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,Obie
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 01:07 PM

The one that I mostly sing is "Wearing of the Green."
I am not Irish but my all time favourite folk album is the Clancys & Makim "Rising of the Moon."
Perhaps the greatest song has not yet been written. Maybe one that would convince the powers in London to "get the hell out and let the Irish sort out their own affairs!"


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 02:54 PM

Arbour Hill,                                                    Arthur McBride,
Avenging and Bright,               
Ballyneety's Walls,
Birmingham Six,                                                   Boys of the Old Brigade,
Dunlavin Green,   
Dying Rebel,
Flag of the Fianna,                                             
God Save Ireland,
Gra Mo Chree,
Grace,
Harp That Once Through Tara's Halls,
Henry Joy,
Henry Joy McCracken,
Ireland Divided,
Ireland Live On,
Kelly the Boy from Killanne,
Let Erin Remember,
Man from God Knows Where,
Minstrel Boy,
Scarriff Martyrs,
Shall My Soul Pass Through Old Ireland,
She is far from the Land,
Silent Oh Moyle,
Soldiers of '22,
Upton Ambush,
Wind That Shakes the Barley.

oh, and Skibbereen!

Whos was the greatest writer? Thomas Moore?


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: iRiShBaBe
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 03:36 PM

pete st john is defo up there.
as is patrick kavanagh..


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 03:51 PM

All of those listed a great, but for my money, you can't beat this one.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 05:05 PM

Pete St John, Patrick Kavanagh, Father Ted: oi tink not.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Joybell
Date: 01 Jan 04 - 05:22 PM

Rapaire, Is that a song about the attempted German/Irish alliance during the war. One of the more sucessful ventures wouldn't you say?

Another song for Irish rebel women, as well as "The Glens of Sweet Mayo", is "Shule Agra"


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 07:44 AM

I don`t see The Three Flowers, amazing how this was passed over, as it is in the DT, the song comemerates, Wolfe Tone, Michael Dwyer and Robert Emmett.
And written by Arthur M Forrester and not included in the DT,

                   The Felons of our Land

    Fill up once more, we`ll drink a toast to comrades far away,
       No nation on earth can boast of braver hearts than they,
And though they sleep in dungeons deep, or flee outlawed and banned
   We love them yet, we can`t forget, the Felons of our Land.

In boyhood`s bloom and manhoods pride fordoomed by alien laws,
Some on the scaffold proudly died, for holy Ireland`s cause,
And brothers say, shall we, today, unmoved by cowards stand,
While traitors shame and foes defame, the Felons of our Land.

Some in the convicts dreary cell, have found a living tomb,
And some unseen untended fell within the dungeons`s gloom,
But what care we, although it be, trod by a ruffian band,
God bless the clay where rest today the Felons of our Land.

Let cowards mock and tyrants frown, ah little do we care,
A Felon`s cap is the noblest crown an Irish head can wear
And every Gael in Inishfail, who scorn the serf`s vile brand,
From Lee to Boyne, would gladly join the Felons of our Land.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 07:57 AM

Don't forget Bana Strand (Lonely Bana Strand).


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,re title
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 08:04 AM

greatest list of irish rebel songs EVER....


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 11:28 AM

Ard, I don't think that "Three Flowers" has been overlooked - it's just that it's a god-awful song. (It's "Banna" strand, btw).

One great song that has been overlooked, I think, is "Oro Se Do Bheatha Bhaile".


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 11:36 AM

Tim, Too critical by far, it very much depends who the singer is- was, there are some bloody awful songs in your lists, but again it`s a matter of taste, after all I cannot believe that you could associate Lonnie Donegan with My Lagan Love. Ard Mhacha.


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From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 12:29 PM

Yeah, I realized that I'd misspelled it after I'd sent it. Sorry, I try not to do that.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 12:48 PM

The Boys of Barna Straide, Erins lovely Lee, Legion of the Rearguard, The song of the Dawn, Jim Larkin, James Connelly,


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 12:52 PM

Sorry Greycap a second look shows you had nominated James Connelly.


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From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 01:03 PM

Nope, Greycap nominated James Connolly.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 01:23 PM

Sorry Rapaire, I din't mean to come over as pedantic: a fault of mine.

Ard, you're right (for once!), it's all just a matter of taste. I'd be interested, nonetheless, in the songs you'd describe as "bloody awful" in my list - especially the first one.

"James Larkin" - poor. "James Connolly" (which one, there are at least 4)? All average, or just slightly above. "Legion of the Rearguard" - yes, great song - even if a bit politically dodgy re hailing Dev as the great Republican. As a song tho, overlooked thus far. "Barr na Sraide" - great song but not a true rebel song, as most of it is non-political.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: PeteBoom
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 03:57 PM

My list eliminates anything that hails "Another Martyr for the Cause" type - so, anything where they die pointlessly is out, anything where they simply lose is out, anything where a "moral victory" is claimed, but hundreds or thousands of lives are lost is out... Limits it pretty much, doesn't it.

Other than that, put me in the same camp as Seamus.

Pete


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Cluin
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 04:26 PM

Denis Leary's Traditional Irish Folk Song


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 05:09 PM

If, like PeteBoom, you rule out songs on those kinds of grounds, all the Irish rebel songs would be "invalid": as the desired result, a United Ireland, has still to happen: as it assuredly, eventually, will: by constitutional consent.                                          

So, no "Boolavogue", no "Kelly", no "Minstrel Boy", no "Mullaghbawn", etc: not worth listening to: forget them, futile.

The main thing surely is that some of these songs are truly great: in their own right, irrespective of history.

They exist independently as works of art (as do some of the unionist songs).


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: paddymac
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 06:47 PM

There's great "new" song by Tommy (I think) Makem called "The Winds Are Singing Freedom." One of the lads in the band heard it somewhere and brought it to rehearsal one night. We all loved it, and had it in "ready repertoire" two weeks later. It's always a hit wherever we do it.

And for powerful lyrics suitable for mass consumption, let's not overlook "Galway Bay." Not the "in your face" kind of rebel song, but powerful in its own way.

This "list" has already garnered mention for many of my personal favorites, but, (with apologies to Jimmy Durante) "I got a million of 'em."


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Mick
Date: 02 Jan 04 - 08:54 PM

Sorry, Pete, but I got to go against you on this. It demonstrates a bias of yours that you and I disagree on. But folks, Pete and I are good friends, so it is a friendly disagreement. The bias is wrong, IMHO, because it denies the basis of the rebel song. The Irish have been trying to throw off the yoke of an oppressor who was better armed, had one of the finest standing militaries in the world, and who had imperial/colonial ambition and felt it was their right to subjugate other cultures. Without getting into a discussion of the rightness of that (thus hijacking the thread), you simply cannot have a thread about these rebel songs without those issues. It was because of those very things that the Irish rebelled over and over again. It has been said that we love our martyrs. All freedom fighters do. The songs exist precisely because of this. And that is what makes them great. In spite of the disadvantages, in spite of the certainty of death, the struggles went on. To eliminate them is to almost apologize for this aspect of the Irish character. And we just aren't going to do that.

Tim......The Ballad of James Connolly done with the appropriate reverence.....anything but average. But the house has to be right.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: wilbyhillbilly
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 01:16 AM

"Four Green Fields", for me. Brilliant!


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 01:32 AM

Tommy Makem wrote the Winds Are Singing Freedom in 1973.
OK, I'll play:
Take It Down From The Mast.
Freedom's Sons (Another Tommy Makem song)
"Born into slavery, they were freedom's sons."
General Munro
Henry Joy
The Lonely Woods Of Upton
Ashtown Road.
Arbour Hill
Poor Old Granuaile
Shall My Soul Pass Through Ireland?

Seamus


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Terry K
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 04:43 AM

As has been said, the songs should stand as works in their own right, regardless of the sentiment - The West's Awake is perhaps my favourite, even though I do not subscribe to the view that England should quake.

An example of the opposite is The Foggy Dew - mawkish doggerel sung to a turgid march tune, but which seems to be hailed and heralded because it supports the "cause".

cheers, Terry


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 06:03 AM

Well said Mick.

Terry, bear in mind that "West's Awake" was written in 1843 - so the language reflects this. "Foggy Dew" (1919) - very imaginative lyrics and a melody that takes some beating. Again, tho, a matter of personal taste. I have a special reason for loving this one as it was my late brother's favourite, I'll never forget his guitar picking on that song.

A "GUEST" said on Mudcat a couple of years ago that "Four Green Fields" (not on either of my lists!) was in fact written by Tommy Makem's mammy: Sarah.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 06:46 AM

"And when the hill were bleeding and the rifles were aflame, to the rebel homes in Kerry the Saxon stranger came" from The Boys from Barna Straide.
See what I mean Tim, all a matter of taste, you had Terry tearing The Foggy Dew apart, I agree with your sentiments about it, with Luke Kelly singing, it`s up there with the best.


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Subject: Lyr Add: HOUSE OF ORANGE (Stan Rogers)
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 10:50 AM

My favorite is Stan Rogers "House of Orange". In the song, Stan rebels against giving money to the cause. It was the last song he wrote before he died.

THE HOUSE OF ORANGE
(Stan Rogers)
As recorded by Stan Rogers on "From Fresh Water" (1984)

I took back my hand and I showed him the door.
No dollar of mine would I part with this day
For fueling the engine of a bloody cruel war
In my forefathers' home far away,
Who fled the first Famine wearing all that they owned,
Were called 'Navigators', all ragged and torn,
And built the Grand Trunk here, and found a new home
Wherever their children were born.

Their sons have no politics. None can recall
Allegiance from long generations before.
O'this or O'that name just can't matter at all
Or be cause enough for to war.
And meanwhile my babies are safe in their home,
Unlike their pale cousins who cower and cry
While kneecappers nail their poor Dads to the floor
And teach them to hate and to die.

It's those cruel beggars who spurn the fair coin.
The peace for their kids they could take at their will.
Since the day old King Billy prevailed at the Boyne,
They've bombed and they've maimed and they've killed.
Now they cry out for money and wail at the door
But Home Rule or Republic, 'tis all of it shame;
And a curse for us here who want nothing of war.
We're kindred in nothing but name.

All rights and all wrongs have long since blown away,
For causes are ashes where children lie slain.
Yet the damned U.D.L. and the cruel I.R.A.
Will tomorrow go murdering again.
But no penny of mine will I add to the fray.
"Remember the Boyne!" they will cry out in vain,
For I've given my heart to the place I was born
And forgiven the whole House of Orange,
King Billy and the whole House of Orange.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Coyote Breath
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 11:53 AM

Well I like Henry Joy.

Mainly because it places the listener square up against the libel that all heroes of the Irish struggle for independence are catholic and etc. but too because my mother's people (on grand father's side) were "Ulster men" and from the Glens of Antrim (specifically from Moyle, which was her maiden name) and were all very strongly for the achievment of an united Ireland, whether by constitutional consent or rebellion of arms.

My mother's people were (and are) Methodists.

CB


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 01:48 PM

CB, I don`t know who gave you the idea that all heroes of the Irish struggle were Catholics, I can assure you, that every Protestant hero of the 1798 rebellion were and still are, commemorated to this day.
I have never heard anything to the contrary in any part of Ireland. Ard Mhacha.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 02:02 PM

By the list(s) above, it's impossible to choose. I'll just throw in another that I don't think was mentioned above... The Wind That Shakes the Barley... that makes me think on Ireland dearly...


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 03:05 PM

Twenty men from Dublin Town, by Arthur Griffith, may have escaped the net, this is nearly always played by The Artane Boys Band before every big game at Croke Park.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 03:26 PM

"Barley" was on my second list. Ard, this thread is about the best EVER: not about listing every one you can think of! I've now got well over 300 and I only listed about 40 or so. "Twenty Men from Dublin Town" is ok, nothing special. "House of Orange" is about many things (all of which I agree with) but one thing it isn't is a "rebel" song.

This is a thread about songs, not politics or history.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 03:32 PM

PS: what do do think yourself iRiShBaBe?


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 03:45 PM

Did he score for the Hoops today?.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Jan 04 - 09:55 PM

The Battle of Ben Burg is good; it's a Tommy Makem.

As for Protestant and Catholic Irish rebels: Roger Casement, Wolfe Tone, Munro, Henry Joy McCracken, Robert Emmett -- all Protestant, and just a very few names indeed out of many.

I heard a song about it; I have it somewhere. "So here's to all those brave Protestant men/Who gave their lives to free our land./All the people sang their praises then/Those brave United Irishmen." Geez, the old mind's goin' when you can remember the chorus and not the title or group!


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Jan 04 - 07:28 AM

"And a big mauser bullet got stuck in his jaw, and he died of lead poison, in Erin go bragh".

I can`t imagine me getting away with a clean bill of health, had I been singing that song in Sandy Row Rangers supporters club.
I`m afraid every rebel song is political.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Fiolar
Date: 04 Jan 04 - 07:57 AM

Funny no one has mentioned one of the most beautiful ballads of all, namely, "Shanagolden."


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Jan 04 - 02:53 PM

That Mauser bullet also got stuck in his craw, either way it wasn`t nice.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 01:15 AM

How about our very own Chordstrangler's "Only Our Rivers Run Free?"

Seamus


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,Nikki Pravda
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 07:49 AM

The song "The Day We Went to Omagh" qualifies but, for reasons that
I can`t explain, it isn`t sung much anymore.
"The Birminghan Six" has a lot going for it but I prefer the Renault 4.
As for that GUEST,Obie       WHAT IS HE LIKE???


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: smpc
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 07:30 AM

emmmmm ive a couple. . . .

celtic symphony, boys of the old brigade, james connolly, GRACE,kevin barry, the foggy dew, men behind the wire, black and tans depends on what mood you want people to be in


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 02:29 PM

i prefer Declan Hunt singin Foggy Dew an Ronnie Drew singin Oro Se De Bheatha Bhaile


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 02:31 PM

MIND TIS 5 YEARS LATE LMAO


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,HelenJ.
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 04:30 PM

Bold Fenian Men


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Rog Peek
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 06:55 PM

My wife had an Aunt, Sr. Joseph, known to the family as Auntie Nun. She was born and brought up in Co. Cork. and her favourite was of course "The Boys from the County Cork". She lived to celebrate her diamond jubilee God rest her soul.

My own favourite is probably "Erin's Lovely Lee".

Rog


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,MtheGM
Date: 06 Aug 09 - 10:09 PM

Can't believe that nobody has ever suggested "Johnson's Motor Car"!


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Aug 09 - 02:58 AM

O'Hara, Hughes,McCreesh and Sands.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 11:00 AM

ireland needs a new kind of rebel. Tommy Sands wrote two beautiful songs that to me
represent what should happen in Irish patriotic circles............................

"There Were Roses"    and

"The Music of Healing"

Frank


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Lighter
Date: 09 Aug 09 - 01:02 PM

Gotta be "O'Donnell Aboo." A friend of mine used to think it had a howling werewolf in it.

(It's really only a "war wolf.")


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,MtheGM
Date: 13 Aug 09 - 08:30 AM

My suggestion a week ago of Johnson's Motor Car was denounced by someone as unworthy as its content was immoral and subversive. I rejoined by naming some of the admired and wholly respectable singers who had not found it so and had performed it. This part of the correspondence appears to have been removed from the thread. Might I enquire why?


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: mark gregory
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 12:05 AM

For me it's hard to go past Back Home in Derry

listen to Christy Moore (did he write the tune?) on youtube at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1uY1GI20k


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 01:06 AM

I'd go for 'Delaney's Donkey'. It makes me rebel against the Irish anyway...

:D (eG)


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Big Tim
Date: 14 Aug 09 - 03:34 AM

'Back Home in Derry' was written by Bobby Sands.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,O'Boyle88
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 09:49 PM

Undoubtedly "Farewell To Bellaghy".


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Amergin
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 10:06 PM

A couple I really like are Sniper's Promise, Kinky Boots, and Joe McDonnell.....


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Oct 09 - 11:34 PM

Alaska Mike:

You wrote exactly what I was thinking


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Stringsinger
Date: 03 Oct 09 - 07:17 PM

Tommy Sands' "There Were Roses" and "Music of Healing".


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 07:14 AM

There are loads of great tunes and Lovely lyrics
How about the songs sung at fund raisers for the IRA?
Sam Missiles in the sky and the rest?
Of course we of the oppressing nation may not approve...


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 08:12 AM

I think it's wise to attempt to tread carefully with potentially highly sensitive material in songs.

As a 2nd generation English descendant of Irish family who had first hand experience of the troubles, I started a thread a while back asking for advice when considering the pro's and con's of exploring Rebel Songs myself: Irish Rebel Songs as Social Document. Some of the helpful and thoughtful responses from posters on that thread, might be pertinent here.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Murpholly
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 10:38 AM

Just discovered this thread and could add several to the lists, perhaps Adhadoe, Arbour Hill and for humour as well Young Willie Joe McFadden. However, am trying to trace words and music to The Pride of Sweet Clogheen. Does anyone out there know of this or have the words.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Old Vermin
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 03:34 PM

Locally 'Fields of Athenry' gets done to death.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 09 - 03:47 PM

I dunno if this was posted before... Four Green Fields?


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 12:47 PM

Definitely Joe McDonnell. Surprised that was only suggested once.

And I quite enjoy Fields of Athenry. Although I listen to the song in a very different mood (Dropkick Murphy)

Black 'n Tans and Go on Home British Soldiers are favorites too of course.

James Ferrin


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 01:05 PM

Toss-up between 'The Foggy Dew' and 'Down by the Glenside' (Unless 'The Man fron God Knows Where' counts as a rebel song).
    Please note that anonymous posting is no longer allowed at Mudcat. Use a consistent name [in the 'from' box] when you post, or your messages risk being deleted.
    Thanks.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 07:56 PM

I love that tale of when The Dubliners were playing in America in the 70's people were shouting,'Play us a rebel song !' ad in finitum and Luke Kelly replied,'I'm sorry, we don't know any songs in vietnamese!'..think about it....


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 17 Apr 10 - 08:25 PM

Four Green Fields - mentioned at least 3 times already (Gnu read previous posts!) -very symbolic and wistful.
Otherwise "The Foggy Dew".
The antidote? "The Orange and the Green".


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,Kerryman
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:29 PM

For me it would have to be the Dying Rebel. I was sat in the South Pole Inn, former home of, Tom Crean one of the greatest heroes Ireland produced, last year playing a few songs on my guitar when an old guy in his mid eighties, sang the song and the passion, sentiment and sadness that came across in his voice had me realising that although he can't have been present, it must have had a direct effect on him personally because tears were descending his cheeks as he sang. Maybe a family member had suffered in the rising but whatever it was his grief was personal apart from that he showed whilst singing the song
I'd never heard the song before but learned to play it and it has become a favourite song of mine.
I vote The Dying Rebel and thank an old man for introducing me to a beautiful song sang with meaning.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: maple_leaf_boy
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 08:09 PM

By the Wolfe Tones: "Some Say The Devil Is Dead", "Go On Home British
Soldiers", "and "You'll Never Beat The Irish".


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 06:35 PM

The Foggy Dew by luke kelly has to be the best rebel song ever!! or even him singing the risin of the moon, another few im suprised that wasnt mentioned was join the british army, padraic pearse, rock on rockall, god save ireland and let the people sing. great songs but i really love luke singing the foggy dew it really is perfection


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: Dead Horse
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 07:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW31yYLSmoc
Nuff said.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST,Sean Fear
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 07:51 PM

Already been named but gotta go with Óró sé do Bheatha Abhaile
Penned by Pearse using the tune form an old wedding song which welcomed a bride and groom to their new life together. He used it to welcome Irish men and women home from all over the world to fight for Ireland


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: mg
Date: 21 Jul 13 - 09:18 PM

Kerryman..if I make it to Ireland this fall which I hope to either in late September or mid November..can I meet you and your wife in the Tom Crean Inn in Annascoul..I think he might be a distant relative of mine.


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Subject: RE: greatest irish rebel song EVER....
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 13 - 06:26 AM

Ballyshannon Lane


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