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BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?

Morticia 05 Jan 04 - 10:29 AM
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Subject: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Morticia
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 10:29 AM

I have had three in as many weeks, with only a few days respite in between. They are more severe and with a higher amount of nausea than usual.Any other sufferers out there who might know why or have been through similar?

I can't pin point any life style changes that would be significant and although my stress levels were a little high, they are settling again now, so not that, I don't think.Any input would be gratefully recieved.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: *daylia*
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 10:57 AM

Morticia, I do not suffer from migraines myself so I have no direct experiences to share. I do know quite a few sufferers who have found relief using various holistic methods, or a combination of allotropic/holistic methods, though.

This rather extensive migraine/headache information site and discussion forum at About.com might have some helpful information for you -- Headaches 101. I hope so!

All the best,

daylia


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:02 AM

Terri.......if you haven't done already...and I know you don't like them.....but PLEASE go to the doctor.....

Lots of Love
Khatt


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:05 AM

Mine are associated with hormones, air pressure, and certain types of stress. I used to have some clue when I'd be in the 'zone' because of predictable hormonal fluctuation. Now, I'm of an age when my hormones are going batshit, so the migraines just surprise me.

Air pressure: storms kick of my migraines. Sometimes before, sometimes during, and sometimes after. I think it's the changes in air pressure.

Stress can do it, but not all types. I hardly ever got a headache from work: racing to meet a deadline, butting heads with people, or any sort of 'worry'. Driving long distances and lack of sleep, on the other hand, have a high probability of causeing a migraine.

Diet is usually considered to be a big factor, and there are certain known 'trigger' foods such as red wine, tomatoes, and chocolate. I haven't found that food make much of a difference for me but it does for many migraineurs. Caffeine withdrawal can cause headaches, and caffeine can help make them go away.

One other thing - there's such a thing as 'rebound' headaches that feel a lot like migraines. They're actually caused by various drugs used to treat headaches (anti-inflammatories, and analgesics) and can get you stuck in a cycle.

If this isn't just a one-off episode, I'd check with my doctor. There are loads of prescription meds that can help prevent migraines, and one herbal preventative - feverfew. It works for me and I've never had any side effects. It's also recognized by main-steam doctors (at least in the US) as being effective.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: harpgirl
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:13 AM

I can not go into a sauna without becoming bedridden, vomiting up my socks and being out of it for three days. Steam baths also do this to me. I can go in a hot tub or a hot bath. Wind triggers them, like standing at the bow of a cruise ship which I will never do again, and sun and wind together also do me in. I am triggered by chocolate of a certain quality and sometimes the sulfites in wines. Barometric pressure changes also do me in.
   If I try to avoid my triggers, I can keep them at bay for the most part.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:17 AM

Might help to 'head 'em off' before they take complete hold. My ex used to use ibuprofen (sp?) and gravol when she felt one coming. Then she'd lay down until the 'aura' passed. It helped her very much. (I don't think she's had one since we broke up.) Check with a pharmacist (druggist) about the combo, and it would be a real good idea for you to see a doctor. Really.

Bruce M


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Gypsy
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:28 AM

My sister uses Imitrex...injectable. I am not big on drugs for my migraines, cuz they generally don't work for me. Chiropractic can help quite a bit..........are you a "migraine" personality? Try meditation, it helps.   I can count on at least one good migraine a month. Ice water to drink while in a hot bath can help, if you have the time for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Arnie
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:28 AM

I used to suffer regularly from migraines but now they have thankfully reduced to once or twice a year - no known reason for the reduction but I'm not complaining. However, when one strikes, the only cure for me is to take two Migraleve pink tablets (UK brand). After taking them I close my eyes for 10-15 mins (which is necessary anyway as I get distorted vision during the migraine). After 10-15 mins the migraine has gone! I'm usually left with a slight pain behind the eyeballs but this goes during the day. If I don't take Migraleve pink, the damn thing just continues for up to an hour and I feel grotty all day. Not sure if you're in the UK or US Morticia, but if in the former, try the little pink pills - they always work for me!
Good luck

Arnie


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:53 AM

Discontinuing the practice of drinking coffee helped me a lot. At first (after quitting coffee) you may get headaches as withdrawal symptoms, but that phase doesn't last long, and then you get far fewer of them. Chocolate seems to trigger them in me sometimes, so I mostly avoid it.

I don't know, however, if those are triggers for you or not.

Here's a thought. Try drinking more water. Many people get headaches simply because they are dehydrated, and the water helps your body clear itself of toxic substances. If people drank a lot more water and a lot less tea, coffee, soft drinks, sweet drinks, and alcohol, they would be a whole lot better off. Take a lesson from nature, where every creature drinks water and enjoys it to the utmost.

Which reminds me...I forgot to drink some water...again! It's easy to do when your mind is busy with other things.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 12:02 PM

Air pressure, eyestrain, salt intake/imbalance/underhydration, raised BP due to any factor, electrolyte imbalances.... include these as you look for clues.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 12:12 PM

Mine were strictly raging hormonal unbalance . . . although the exact time of the month changed several times during my (many) years of perimenopause. Sometimes too much estrogen (prostaglandin F2-alpha); sometimes estrogen drop off. I haven't had a migraine now in over a year.

Didn't give feverfew enough of a chance -- it probably would have worked.

As it was, nothing worked except burying my head in a pillow and trying to sleep until it went away -- and it usually left me shaky the next day, too. (And I was totally non-functional with the migraine.) I took ibuprophen, but I don't think it really helped much, just made me think I was doing something.

Find a "health care practitioner" you trust, figure out what your triggers are, find something that works to avoid the migraines.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 12:28 PM

My triggers are mostly foods and hormones (the foods are corn, chocolate, coconut, peanuts, and sometimes red wine). The foods don't always trigger them right away. Sometimes they don't hit until a day or two later. I use a tincture of Chaparral, without which, it would be very diffictul for me to function in any way whatsoever. I use about 30 drops in about 12 oz. of distilled water as often as needed. It doesn't always work immediately (although sometimes it does), but it does make an enormous difference in my quality of life. In fact, I'm drinking some right now. I also make every effort to avoid the foods that bother me (except sometimes the red wine ;-)

Good luck Morticia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: NicoleC
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 12:37 PM

Another cause of migraines are food intolerances. We tend to develop intolerances to the foods we eat the most of (or rather TOO much of) -- in the west, that's often wheat or gluten, sometimes corn, rice, dairy, soy or other ubiquitous foods. If you have other symptoms, such as periodic bloating, insomnia, gas, heartburn, skin blemishes and other chronic annoyances -- but headaches and migraine are the biggest clue -- you might have a food intolerance.

An allergy rotation diet can help you pinpoint if and what you may have a reaction to. Start with the common ones; completely eliminate all of a food, including byproducts and derivatives found on food labels, for 7 days. (Exception: dairy takes 21 days.) If you feel worse before you get better, that's probably it. If you experience no change, move on to the next food. The most likely candidate is the food you eat every day and experience the most mental resistance to cutting out.

This may not be it for you, but for folks who do find it as the source of the cause of their migraines, the cure is permanent as long as you don't eat that food. And many people with food intolerances can eat that food occassionally after a period of detoxification and overall improved diet. YMMV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 12:38 PM

Arnie, if what you get only lasts an hour (and is pretty severe) it sounds more like a 'cluster headache'. See:
Lots of information, big words: at this site on cluster headaches

Canadian O.U.C.H. (Organization for Understanding Cluster Headache.. cute)

Migraines usually last at least a day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: mg
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 03:31 PM

some people on the aromatherapy list recommended getting bottles of peppermint and lavendar essential oils...take one drop of each, mix together and rub on temples....good for other headaches as well....mixed results reported...peppermint can sting..don't use morethan 1 drop and maybe test before you have a headache someday..

mg


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 03:44 PM

I only get one about once every 4 years...thank gods! The ONLY thing I can do is get someone to drive me to trauma and get a demerol/phenergan injection...zonks me out for about 12 hours, then I'm shaky for 2 days.

Another big trigger is MSG.....and it is hidden everywhere. Also, raw onions and instant tea....see the Doc, Morty.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 04:02 PM

Ummm, I hate to be the wet blanket here but have you had an MRI taken of your head lately?

I say this in a most kind and gentle way because, as a cancer survivor, when one was ordered for me I nearly took off for the moon.

I know the fear, trust me. But for me, the fear of not knowing was worse that the fear OF knowing. I do know the fear, oh jeezus do I.

I trust you will do what is best for YOU.

With kindness,
W.E.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Alice
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 04:31 PM

Imitrex works for me. Mine started when I was 14 years old and are mostly related to hormone cycles. In perimenopause, I had a migraine every month instead of a you know what. Sleep deprivation triggers them for me, too.

Good luck. Get some Imitrex.

ALice


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Peg
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 04:52 PM

Yes, peppermint is VERY effective for headaches if you apply it as the headache is starting. It does burn the skin a wee bit if applied directly, but usually only for a moment or two. Don't   apply too close to the eyes. You can also add it to almond or    olive oil to dilute it slightly...
It is also effective to merely inhale the peppermint essetial oil from the open bottle and this works well for the nausea that    accompanies some headaches...

I agree remaining hydrated by drinking plenty of water should help; most of the headaches I get start because I am dehydrated...coffee, black tea, soda, juice; these do not hydrate!   Water and herbal   tea are best.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Morticia
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 04:54 PM

thanks for all your help and yes, I have now seen a doctor and am going to the hospital for some tests tomorrow...

I know it's not food or hormone related because I have spent so long on that road trying to find a cause....best we can come up with is stress.My doc says classic migraine symptoms are always exactly that, i.e not a brain tumour or high blood pressure or any other nasty....we just need to find out why I'm having so many and why so severe.

I've made a note of all your remedies though and will try each one.....heaven knows, I'd do pretty much anything to zap the little sucker.

Once again, thanks for your help....I'm going to bed to feel a bit sorry for myself now.*G*


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Metchosin
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 05:15 PM

Over the years I have tried all manner of natural (no luck) and heavy duty prescription medication (bad side effects), none of which were very effective, particularly if the migraine was fully underway. My doctor also had me keep a diary of what I ate to determine any food triggers. (peanut butter seemed the only one.) What usually triggers mine are large fluctuations in air pressure. Fortunately, I do not seem to get them as often as I used to, but still have bouts of cluster ones once or twice a year.

What eventually worked for me are two acetomenephen with caffiene and codiene at the immediate outset. I never have had any real significant pain or nausea and vomiting since I have started doing this, although, I'm still pretty useless sightwise until the aura passes.

I'm also a bit dizzy and light headed afterwards for awhile, which could be the caffiene and codiene addition to the acetomenephen, but I would trade this anyday for the relief I have.

I believe you can't get painkillers with caffiene and codiene in them without a prescription in the US, but fortunately for me in Canada, they are available over the counter from the pharmacy here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 05:48 PM

I don't have any aura, or build up at all....BAM! My head is being taken off by a jackhammer.....can't imagine these every week....I would be worthless. Sometimes a constriction bandage tied tight around my head helps a little until the drugs kick in. Have to be in the dark to...light is just too painful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 06:28 PM

Have you had any sudden stops in the car recently?

I had a migraine for a week and a headache daily for 2 more weeks when I reversed into a post. Everyone else in the car was fine.

I didn't realise I had a whiplash injury for 3 weeks. They did all sorts of tests and finally put me in a neck collar - it was like turning a switch off.

If you've had any sudden stops or big bumps, anything that could have thrown your neck out, it's worth mentioning to the drs.

Take care dear.

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Joybell
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 06:55 PM

I've had Migraines all my life. As a kid I thought that everyone had the visual disturbances before they vomited - as a warning! I was 17, and a student nurse, before I knew what they were.
Anyway a doctor once told me that taking THREE Asprin AT THE AURA stage ie. before your system shuts down, is a possible solution. It works so well for me that I no longer get the headache, or the nausea. I just feel a bit seedy for the rest of the day. I can enjoy the aura and the "Alice in Wonderland" effect it gives me and the euphoria that goes with it. Joy


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 06:59 PM

Yeah, I have to be in the dark too, with something cold over my eyes, and just conk out for a few hours.

I once cured a pretty bad headache (when I was a teenager) by saying to myself, "Crazy Horse wouldn't let something like this thing be stronger than him and ruin his day."...and bingo! The headache was gone totally in about 2 minutes or less!

Alas...I was never able to focus clearly enough on that particular idea again to make it work for curing headaches. I'm probably just too lazy by nature. :-) I must have been very strongly focused on that day, and you have to bear in mind that Crazy Horse was a very significant figure to me, specially at that age. (It was a sort of religious experience, I'd have to say.)

I am not attempting to reflect usefully or not on anyone else's personal circumstances by telling this story, but I think it's an interesting one in its own right. It was a case of mind over matter.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Sorcha
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 08:46 PM

But, what do you do if there is no aura, or warning signs at all? I just hit the floor in extreme pain...all of a sudden...thank the gods it's only once every few years...I never have visual stuff going on, just pain and vomiting...well, once I had total blindness for about 24 hrs....that was scary.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 10:20 PM

I don't get warning signs either, but although sometimes I wake up with a full-blown migraine, most of mine start slow. The problem is, most of those slight headaches never turn into migraines, so taking something whenever I get a little bit of pain isn't an option. I tried it though, and it still didn't work. Good drugs are the only thing that works 100% of the time, and they basically kill the pain until the migraine goes away on its own.

I had a friend who'd just go blind in one eye ('ocular migraine') - no other symptoms at all.

Technical stuff: the ones with an aura are 'classical migraines' the ones without are 'common migraines'. Personally, I don't feel there's much 'common' about them. ("Oh, yeah...it's just one of those routine, head-splitting, barfing-your-brains-out, you'd-cut-your-own-head-off-with-a-dull-axe-if-it-lasted-long-enough headaches. No big deal.")


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:39 PM

Migraines run in families, and they're in mine. My mother and aunt used to experience only the aura, not the actual headache. I seasonally experience something akin to an aura due to photo-sensitivity and allergies.

My son is the one who suffers from the headaches, and he has had them since he was about 6 years old. He takes nightly amytripyline, but still has break-through headaches. They have the periodicity of the cluster headaches that that web site discusses, but the similarities end there.

If you find something that works, I hope you'll post it for the rest of us to think about.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Jan 04 - 11:44 PM

P.S. the one migraine I did have caused a temporary blindness in one eye. I could only see half of things because there was a large blind spot that formed in my left eye. The headache began a couple of hours after this vision problem materialized. It was misdiagnosed as a small stroke and I operated on that misassumption for years. Then on the Diane Rehm morning talk show a couple of years ago an expert in the field of headaches was discussing this and described exactly my symptom. What an eye opener, so to speak!


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: DonMeixner
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 12:12 AM

Lack of sleep and stress for me. Never during a stressfull episode but always on the back side of an event. I'm probably due for one now infact. It will hit out of the blue and I'll be in total darkness for 8-12 hours with an ice mask on my face. It hurts like hell to close my eyes, the effort is just too much. If I move I'll barf. If a light goes on I'll barf,. Imitrex does nothing at all, Duraden(sp), does almost as much. I just have to wait it out, hopefully I'll fall asleep but that rarely happens.

Good luck

Don


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 12:20 AM

I definitely get the "aura" stage gradually coming on at first, and it can sometimes by headed off with aspirin and rest.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Metchosin
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 01:59 AM

Sorry, my suggestion obviously won't work if you don't get any warnings Sorcha.

Perhaps mine are weird, but I sometimes know I'm getting one even before I get the blind spot with surrounding shiney lights and patterns. My first symptoms before the aura are sometimes extreme sensitivity to smell and taste, a change in the taste of my saliva, a sensitivity to light and sometimes my nose gets cold.

I vividly remember my first one, at age 15, which my mother then termed a bilious attack?

When I was in my early 20's the doctor I had at the time, told me that there was nothing wrong with me, that it was all in my head (yeah, right!) and if I just got up, opened my curtains and cleaned up my apartment, I'd be right as rain.

That particular episode lasted almost a week and I recall stopping my car on the highway out to my Mother's house to do my laundry, as the doctor ordered, and vomiting out the door two or three times along the way. I also found out that when you puke up alkaseltzer, it still fizzes up to 1/2 hour after drinking it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 03:40 AM

I thought I was getting migraines for ages - horrifying headaches that only gave up after I puked my guts up (sorry!) and then slept for hours. I'd get them when i'd been overdoing things - working too long hours, driving frantically to deliver copy, trying to keep a set of clashing schedules.

Then I discovered that I had a slight but constant sinus infection. I did a few things: sane-tised my schedules and cut back on work, started taking regular walks, and in summer sea swims, made sure to get regular sleep, kept away from cigarette smoke when possible.

The main thing, though, was to wash out the sinuses with warm water with sea salt in it - this is an old cure, but it works. And when you find a headache coming on, there's a gadget sold by Vick's - a cup within a mask, essentially, which you fill with hot water and a couple of drops of Vick's or Olbas Oil, and breathe in the steam.

And if a headache is coming on, it works to hit it with painkillers when it's only starting, and take to the bed for a couple of hours. It sounds impossible, but two hours' sleep can save you from 12 hours' pain.

But if you've been drinking at all, *don't* take fizzy painkillers like the effervescent mixtures of soluble codeine and paracetemol. These apparently concentrate the alcohol and paracetemol together in your liver where they can damage it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Gurney
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 04:25 AM

Her Indoors has digested these posts with great interest, and has some new avenues to follow. Thanks.

She is convinced that her migraines have something to do with her sinusitis, and when she gets them, she groans down the white telephone for hours. Nothing stays down, not even distilled water, so she is dehydrated too.

Acupuncture made her worse! Steaming makes her worse. Drugs won't stay down. She never had one before the Change started.

JTT, How do you wash out the sinuses with sea-water? Snuffle it up? Spray it up? Use a device? It is too late to swim by the time she knows.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Arnie
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 05:25 AM

Jeri - thanks for letting me know that my 'migraines' are really cluster headaches - I'd never heard of these previously. They started in about 1986 and I've always described them as migraines but obviously they are not. In that case, my sympathies to all migraine sufferers 'cos they sound a whole lot worse than my condition which I find debilitating enough albeit of only short duration.

Morticia - sorry to intrude on your migraine site with my cluster headache problem! Hope you find a cure or at least something that eases the pain.

Arnie


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Joybell
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:13 AM

Cluster headaches are more common in men. Re knowing you are going to get a migraine - it happens sometimes with people who have epileptic fits. The change in sense of taste and smell are also sometimes found in both conditions. I knew a patient from my nursing days who was able to abort a fit by using a sort of self hypnosis. Some migraine sufferers are also able to do this but it's not an option for most of us. Dostoyevsky said his epileptic auras were the greatest experiences he ever had. That's not much consolation for those of us with migraine though is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 06:54 AM

I am, touch wood, not a sufferer but on the point of sea water nasal washes I have started using a micro-spray called 'Sterimar'. I use it now, in conjunction with nasal steroids, to help keep nasal inflamation and recuring polyps at bay. It is a very convenient spray can that can be used anywhere at any time.

Hope it helps someone!

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Peg
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:07 AM

Liz has a point re; injuries. it might be time to consult a chiropractor to see if there are any spinal or muscular problems in the neck causing these headaches...


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:08 AM

Gurney, I am posting the results of a Google search on neti pots. You fill it with warm water and a small amount of salt, bend over from the hips over a sink, tip your head to one side, put the spout of this thing into the upper nostril and let it wash through your sinuses and drain out the other side. Between what washes out and what you can dislodge by blowing your nose after it runs through, you can clean a lot of crud from your poor aching sinuses. Don't make the water too hot, and don't use too much salt.

My ex gave me one of these, and it took me a while to get up the nerve to try it. But my kids use it willingly every so often when they have sinus problems, and it does help.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:52 AM

Arnie, I'm glad I was able to help. I don't think cluster headaches sound much better than migraines. Although they don't last as long, they appear suddenly and the pain sounds much more intense.

For those who can't take pills, there are some medications and treatments that you spray up your nose.

The neti pot looks very interesting. I get irritated sinuses frequently, and I also used to get sinus infections every time I had a cold. This thing wouldn't have prevented or cured the sinus infections, but it sure would have helped me get over them and ease some of the irritation.

Now that someone's mentioned sinus infections and migraines, I've remembered this. When I became aware I was getting serious head pain, 'migraine' wasn't the first diagnosis. First, it was a cracked maxillary molar on that side of my head. The tooth was repaired, but I still had the pain. It was then I was diagnosed with a sinus infection and polyp in the maxillary sinus on that side of my head. That was treated, but I still got the headaches. I have a completely unprovable (and perhaps whacko) theory that the pain sort of 'trained' the nerves to over-react and make the blood vessels dilate and cause the headaches. Non-sentient post-traumatic stress syndrome or something.

Would the sinus and tooth problems have kicked this headache stuff off (if that's actually what happened) if they were minor enough that I wasn't really aware of them? I think so. I was aware I'd had a cold, but not that I had a sinus infection or polyp - I didn't really have pain, just a feeling of stuffiness. I was aware the tooth was screwed up, but if I didn't chew on that side or get cold liquid near it, it didn't hurt.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 11:05 AM

My Neti pot is like the first one on the list, the little white ceramic pot that could easily be confused with a single-serving restaurant tea pot!


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Hawker
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 05:56 PM

Morticia,
My migraines stopped suddenly after the removal of one ovary and a hysterectomy, I went into premature menopause and once I had got over the 'Change' have NEVER had a migraine since, it may well be hormone related? I send you healing thoughts and hope that you find some help from all the suggestions, I sympathise with you.
Regards, Lucy


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: LilyFestre
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 09:41 PM

Ohhhhhhhhh...I feel for you...migraines are THE WORST.

I don't know specifically what sets them off in me but I do know that complete silence and darkness are my friend. I'd say try to sleep if you can....but I know I never can...the nausea just won't allow for it.

To fine relief, I do 2 things...and don't laugh because it does seem to relieve the pain.

#1. I concentrate on my toes. Why? Because they don't hurt.

#2. Stick your finger down your throat and puke. I know, I know...it's gross and disgusting...but honestly, once that is over I feel about 90% better and am able to sleep the rest of it away. I can only speak for myself, but whether I wait until Mother Nature takes her course or if I induce it myself...the pain remains. Why wait?

I'm not a medical professional and would suggest that you seek help there....these 2 things are what works for me...with any luck, maybe they will provide some relief for you too.

Be well.

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jan 04 - 10:22 PM

My son curls up in a ball, covers his forehead, and sleeps. Often a two or three hour nap takes care of it. If he throws up, that helps it go away faster, but he throws up maybe one out of 10 headaches. Sometimes if he gets motrin early enough it goes away with a power nap or with no nap at all. About 1/4 of the time he puts himself to bed and just stays there the rest of the night and is fine by morning. He usually gets these in the late afternoon or evening. My photo-sensitivity is worst in the morning. Don't know what the difference might be.


SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Morticia
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 02:57 AM

I think the time issues are interesting.....when I get a migraine, it is remarkable, irespective of what I do, if it is gone in much before 3/4 days and on those occasions, I wouldn't call it a migraine, I would call it a tension headache.No less painful, but mercifully short lived.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: mouldy
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 03:17 AM

I've had them for 40 years, and was initially told by the doctor that they were sinus-related. They're not. Feeling stuffy is just one of the symptoms I sometimes get, and I can't stand to sleep in a stuffy room anyway.

I can't drink alcohol because it's one of my triggers. Chocolate late at night sets me off, usually during the early hours, as does eating a meal very late at night. Biscuits can be a beggar late at night too. Cheese doesn't seem to bother me, but I can't take rich milky drinks late on.

Another problem I have is the addition of hormonal factors into the mixture, although hopefully that will "sort out" soon. I also have neck and shoulder problems, mainly on the right side, thanks to dancing border morris opposite a large bloke, meeting the strength of his sticking straight on, and giving back as good as I got. Often headaches "settle" into my neck and head and take some removing. They then present as cluster headaches.
If I do any work involving raising my arms above shoulder height or squeezing, such as pruning shrubs, it shoots right up into my head and neck. Sometimes the day after a heavy squeezebox session sees me with problems. Lengthy driving sessions too, with my arm raised on the steering wheel and the unconscious gripping of the wheel.

I also have slightly high blood pressure, which I now have tablets for...tablets that are also used to treat migraine! My headaches are fewer now, and seem to go off quicker with treatment.
My teenage daughter had a problem, and was put onto propanolol for a year or so. It really reduced the frequency of her headaches. She still gets them, but mainly when she's been overdoing it. They can last a few days, but like me, when the tablets don't work, she's learnt to grit her teeth and get on with it. They aren't the full-blown "classic" migraines with the aura. They're just nauseus one-sided headaches that lurk around your system for days, coming and going.

Andrea (who usually gets on the phone to Tig and gets her to come and give one of her wonderful massages).


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:45 AM

Morticia:

I have had migranes for years. and have been prescribed Midrin, and later Zomig for them.

What helped me more than anything was keeping a log of the food I ate, then after a migrane, I would note when the migrane happened in the log, then continue with my log. After two months of keeping the log; I noticed that I had eaten wheat products a day or so before the migrane.

I eliminated all wheat from my diet (no cereal with wheat bran, no bread, no pasta, etc and my frequency of migranes reduced dramaticaly. My most recent migrane was mid November.

Your migranes may be from another cause, or you may have the same or different food trigger.

I hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:53 AM

> Didn't give feverfew enough of a chance -- it probably would have
> worked.

I tried feverfew; but only took one dose of it. I had an alergic reaction to Feverfew and had to toss the capsules.

My mouth and throat started tingling, then my throat started swelling.

If you want to try feverfew; be my guest; but listen to the signals from your body.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: Two_bears
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 06:59 AM

> some people on the aromatherapy list recommended getting bottles of > peppermint and lavendar essential oils...take one drop of each, mix > together and rub on temples

Please use caution when applying pure essential oils directly to the skin.

Most people have no problem with pure lavender oil applied to the skin; but most people report a severe burning sensation where peppermint essential oil was applied to the skin.


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Subject: RE: BS: Migraine sufferers, advice please?
From: The O'Meara
Date: 07 Jan 04 - 09:27 AM

I've had classic migraines since I was a kid. They got much worse after Vietnam. I think the problem in dealing with them is that both physical and psychological factors are involved. An excellent psychologist told me "You get migraines from wanting to run away and not doing it." I'm pretty sure they are stress triggered, although not necessarily "caused" by stress.
Even that is tricky. For example many migraines happen on a weekend when you should be relaxed and not stressed. But the fact is you are still revved up psychologically form the week befoire but now you are just sitting around and not doing anything and the steam builds up until the migraine happens. Or a migraine can be a way to check out of a stressful situation for awhile, and so on.
   It used to be that conventional wisdom said that a child would "grow out of them" after adolescence.I expect that's true in many cases since adolescence is extremely stressful and when that stress is gone the headaches would diminish.
   But the pain and the other symptoms are physical and very real, caused by expanded blood vessels in the brain.
The only thing that helped for me was a painkiller and euphoric called Fiorinol. The trouble was that while I started out taking them when I got a migraine, I progressed to taking them for any headache in case it might become a migraine, then to taking them in case I might get a headache, and then I was hooked big time.
With the help of shrinks and MDs at a Veteran's hospital I got off the stuff and started taking verapamil, which is a med originally for angina but found to lower blood pressureand and prevent migraines in some people. That was in 1985 and I still get the aura and visual problems occasionally but no full blown migraines since then.
So the gist of this windy war story is try verapamil and see if you can figure out your stress business.
I really do hate long-winded war stories. But that reminds me of the time I was surrounded by hostile natives and I was armed with nothing but...

O'Meara


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