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Dave Hanson 17 Jan 04 - 10:50 AM
Ed. 17 Jan 04 - 03:03 PM
GUEST,si 17 Jan 04 - 03:12 PM
fat B****rd 17 Jan 04 - 03:26 PM
The Shambles 17 Jan 04 - 03:42 PM
Ed. 17 Jan 04 - 04:29 PM
Amos 18 Jan 04 - 04:37 AM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Jan 04 - 04:41 AM
Amos 18 Jan 04 - 04:48 AM
GUEST,Jon 18 Jan 04 - 04:57 AM
fat B****rd 18 Jan 04 - 05:05 AM
GUEST,Jon 18 Jan 04 - 05:08 AM
fat B****rd 18 Jan 04 - 05:25 AM
GUEST,Jon 18 Jan 04 - 05:38 AM
The Shambles 18 Jan 04 - 05:47 AM
fat B****rd 18 Jan 04 - 05:52 AM
Dave Hanson 18 Jan 04 - 07:01 AM
The Borchester Echo 18 Jan 04 - 09:13 AM
GUEST,Dan Abnormal 18 Jan 04 - 09:25 AM
Jeri 18 Jan 04 - 11:02 AM
akenaton 18 Jan 04 - 11:15 AM
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John J 19 Jan 04 - 07:48 AM
GUEST 19 Jan 04 - 09:38 AM
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fat B****rd 19 Jan 04 - 02:41 PM
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akenaton 19 Jan 04 - 02:48 PM
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GUEST,Mike Harding 20 Jan 04 - 08:31 AM
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Subject: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 10:50 AM

I've just been logged on to the BBC radio 2 folk message board, boy are they having a go at the Mudcat, lots of people including HRH Ian A Anderson and that ilk. Jon Freeman has been defending well and I've added a couple of bits in praise, it's a bit like the Tory wing of the folk music world.
eric


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Ed.
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 03:03 PM

A link to the relevant discussion would be useful. Or is that beyond you?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,si
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 03:12 PM

There is a right wing element present here too eric. Unfortunately the bastards seem to get in everywhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 03:26 PM

There's no need to be bad mannered, Ed. Just log onto www.bbc.co.uk?radio2.
I had a quick look on the Folk Message Board and "Had a bit giggle to meself like" as we say in the North East. Folk On !!


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From: The Shambles
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 03:42 PM

A little flavour.

re: Mudcat - Ian Anderson 8th post - 12 Dec 2003 12:48
Good grief - I see what you mean. Haven't been there for more than two years. So that's where all the ethno-illiterates who used to make pillocks of themselves in the fRoots letters pages have gone - I thought it had been quiet lately! >Snip<

re: Mudcat - Diane Easby 379th post - 17 Jan 2004 16:32
Joe Offer in California (a Mudcat bid cheese) has certainly called me parochial for wanting to talk about the UK Folk Award nominations.

And whenever one of those pointless threads like 'what's your favo(u)rite singer/song/tune?' starts up, the world regional differences and prejudices are blindingly obvious, almost to the point of requiring UN mediation and interpretation.

Trolling is frequent and though often funny, things can get very heated and personal. It's so much more civilised here!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Ed.
Date: 17 Jan 04 - 04:29 PM

fat B****rd

I apologise if you found me bad mannered. It was not my intention.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 04:37 AM

I am so happy that they are discovering new and better modes of civilization. Although it does have a certain self-congratulatory smugness to it. But then, maybe our conversations sound that way to them. But some of MS Easby's observations are not inaccurate -- we do get heated and sometimes parochial.   

Is making condescending and somewhat hateful remarks about others part of their new civilized code? Or is that Ian Anderson's personal version? I don't know that I find that preferable to dealing openly if heatedly with others directly -- I don't see much merit in the ablity to make up more scathing critiques of others who aren't even listening. Seems sort of childish.

Takes all sorts, I guess.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 04:41 AM

fRoot cake...


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 04:48 AM

Mudcat thread on BBC boards here. But it is about as electrifying as dishwater -- "civilized", superficial and snide.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 04:57 AM

Eric, I'm not sure I was trying to defend as much as suggest I don't think that that type of thread (or this one for that matter) where one site appears to be moaning about another site does any one any good. It certainly is my belief that when people make comments about people they don't know on another site and others come in to read, a lot can be missunderstood.

I'm not sure whether you are the David I addressed in my last post over there or not but my reply was:

Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion David, but it seems to me that you have led quite a narrow and sheltered existance.
Mudcat can indeed be an excellent site and there is no doubt that some very knowledgeable people post there but there are other sites, not everyone with knowledge posts to Mudcat and some with expertise post to more than one site/newsgroup.

I can think of questions, I'd rather ask at uk.music.folk, alt.banjo, uk.music.notation, abcusers (email list for the abc music format), etc. than at Mudcat.

IMO, Parochial in Internet terms is more a matter of not taking the trouble to discover what really is out there and having beliefs such as one site can be all things to all people.


I could have equally suggested there are questions I would choose to ask at Mudcat (and have even suggested visitors to "my" site should ask here).

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:05 AM

Cheers, Ed. I would rather be a 'catter any day than subscribe to such a bland seminar as the Folkbeeb. Mike Harding's opinion would be interesting.


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From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:08 AM

Here we go... I would rather be a 'catter any day than subscribe to such a bland seminar as the Folkbeeb It's like it's a one or other... I really do feel sorry for people with views like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:25 AM

Thank you , Guest Jon. You should feel sorry for people who are really suffering, not folks like me who simply put in their twopennorth now and again. Taken in the grand scheme of things it's only music.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:38 AM

If I gave the impression that I don't feel sorry for people who have far bigger problems, I do apologise. My own existance involves battles with alcoholism, having known being in a mental hospital labeled "schizo", seen a whole world where I thought I had a future colapse on more than one occasion... but even that is not as bad as say starving...

All that said, I still feel sorry for people with the narrow view mentioned in my previous post.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: The Shambles
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:47 AM

Is making condescending and somewhat hateful remarks about others part of their new civilized code? Or is that Ian Anderson's personal version?

I would suggest the latter.....The general tone of uk.music.folk has become a lot more friendly since 'the editor' gave up trying to edit everyone there as well as his 'magazine' and left there in a huff. Sad to see that he is now exercising his online influence at this BBC site.

Setting this 'snide' and judgemental example is one that seems to be a lot easier for people to follow online - than setting a more positive and tolerant example.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 05:52 AM

More power to you, Guest Jon.I found the Beeb site bland compared to the Mudcat.(Thassall) I have to say that (IN MY OPINION) because of the huge input from The US etc there is a great deal of diversity and/or angst on the Mudcat. With the best of intentions I do feel that the English are less bloody minded than other nationalities. This is not a narrow minded-view or insular view as far as I am concerned but a friendly generalisation.
PS How come(in my, admittedly, small) experience MOST Folk Songs (UK) seem to be about working class/fighting people but sung these days by nice people who are neither.
All the best to you Jon.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 07:01 AM

Being an ex trade union offical I really enjoy a good argument, next best thing to folk music. I like the BBC radio 2 website and even the message boards. it just seemed to me cowardly to attack the mudcat on a different website, personally I voice my complaints about the BBC at their own message boards as well as the mudcat for instance. If Diane Easby and Ian Anderson have anything to say about the mudcat let them say it to our faces not behind our collective backs.
eric the red, AKA David Hanson


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 09:13 AM

I have had, from time to time, quite a lot to say on Mudcat.

It's just that people like David Hanson, so obsessed with begrudging the success of a young musician with vision and the passion to extend, share and diversify our traditional music inheritance, fails to listen or to recognise what I am saying.

As the Morning Star's folk music columnist in the years before Karl Dallas's tenure, I am amazed to be categorised as 'part of the Tory wing' of the folk music world.

cheers

diane


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Dan Abnormal
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 09:25 AM

I've been saying for years that for people my age (early-mid 20s) to get off their collective arses and do something about the sorry state that the folk music world is in, they'd have to be sufficiantly pissed off with the clubs, radio shows, magazines, and yes - websites that serve them currently.

So, keep it up lads, you've nearly driven all of us away now. We won't bother you with OUR music again.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 11:02 AM

At any given gathering of folkies, you'll find people saying "It's pretentious - I don't like it" AND "It's innovative - I love it." Go with your own opinion. If you let opposing opinions drive you off, it's only their voices which will be heard. There will ALWAYS be people who hate the music you love.

As far as the BBC forum, from what I've read (not all of the thread, as I find it a bugger to navigate) there isn't anything that bad. I didn't see it as an 'attack'. I've heard people at parties and other gatherings who are steadfast members say much the same, if not worse. Hell, I probably have, myself. Opinions come from people, not locations, whether they're solid-world places or webspots. As to what sort of people those places tend to attract...both Mudcat and the BBC Forum play host to individuals whose identities seem rooted in their crusades and their ability to put others down. Both sites have people whose wit and wisdom stand out. We aren't better than them, nor they, us. Perhaps the sites differ in how they operate, but the opinions at both places seem pretty representational of humans interested in folk music.

Anybody else think this is funny? First, a discussion here about a discussion there about here, which has progressed to a disussion there about the discussion here about the discussion there about here.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 11:15 AM

Well.... I dont know what you Mudcats are worrying about Ian Andersons opinions for.Iv met him briefly and a more pompous ass you couldnt wish to find
As far as i can see he hasnt got the real feeling for folk music,as I stated before its all about emotion and humility. Not much of that under Mr Andersons Shirt.
He also does Shinty commentaries on the radio and TV.
As an ex Shinty player I can tell you ,he dosnt know his arse from his elbow....Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 04 - 12:19 PM

Mr. Anderson also recently stormed out of ukmf screaming "I'm leaving and I'm never coming back!"

And they didn't hear a sound, but a tra la la from the likes of Dick G. and George H. lamenting him. Since they are the ukmf gang of 500 themselves, it was hardly considered a loss to that forum by many who tire of those windbags pontificating...

There is always room for fresh air, and god knows the air of the folk music forums online has grown mighty stale, strident, and stultifying in recent years.

Reason? The consolidation of power--the "who rules the roost" at the most popular sites on the net for discussion of folk music. It is likely no coincidence that Mr. Anderson has now taken up residence at the BBC forum, is it? After all, he got himself that Beeb radio show, that Beeb awards show, etc etc ad nauseum.

The man does promote himself better than any singer/songwriter I've ever seen.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: John J
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 07:48 AM

Being as BBC R2 has a folk message board, perhaps they'll consider broadcasting a folk music programme too.

John
;-{


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 09:38 AM

I've been participating in both Mudcat and the Beeb message boards since about December now. Both have had some interesting, useful and helpful things, both have been afflicted with personal criticism. Comments that if said face to face in a bar would result in a brawl are as equally unwelcome on the net as in a bar, they are both public places. I like to enjoy my pint, a chat which might even be controversial and a laugh without worrying about furniture flying or a broken bottle against my throat; the cyber equivalent can be just as hurtful. This thread has had some constructive stuff, some unfriendly stuff and has also had the effect of turning off the young on who the future of our music, song and dance depend. I'll continue to use both places, but some won't. Shame on us all.

Peter Standing


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 10:17 AM

I agree with a lot of that Peter and If I have inadvertently offended or hurt anyone I apologise most sincerely. Most of what is said here is said in fun and mischief, no harm is ever intended.
eric


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 10:33 AM

" like to enjoy my pint, a chat which might even be controversial and a laugh without worrying about furniture flying or a broken bottle against my throat; the cyber equivalent can be just as hurtful."

Uh, I don't THINK so Peter. Although that never seems to stop you whiners from conflating hurt feelings from insults with bashed bones from an actual physical attack.

But it takes all kinds of net kooks to make up a 'discussion' forum, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Helga
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 10:46 AM

Oh, come on. Why the hell do some people take everything so absolutely-to-the-letter literally round here? It's perfectly obvious that all Peter meant was that it's fine to have a discussion about something which you do/don't disagree with without getting down to personal insults.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 10:52 AM

Thanks Eric, the written word is much easier to misinterpret than the spoken word, so some jokes or mischief get taken seriously.

In the past I've used an alias (firstly mizzo - thread on guitar straps) and then larkrise_ranter. Other people feel happier using their real names; this thread has made me decide to do the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 11:03 AM

Exactly Helga, but it is easy to misinterpret peoples' words. (Where should that apostrophe be?)


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 12:02 PM

Dear Helga and Peter,

The problem isn't my taking things literally, the problem is your inarticulateness.

So next time, in order to prevent confusion amongst your readers, perhaps you could use grown up language to state what you mean, rather than rant at people who point out that you can't be understood through mental telepathy on the internet.

Can you spell:

A-D H-O-M-I-N-E-M?

There you go, kiddies. Use that one next time, OK?

And when you grow up a little more, maybe you'll figure out a way to grow a thick enough skin to allow you to join the adult games of creatively using insults, irony, wit, parody, and satire in conversations too, instead of just whining at those of us who enjoy playing those games.

No hard feelings. Just sick to death of the tyranny of middle class niceness being used as a club to beat on people who don't consider the jaunty banter amongst adults here to be the moral equivalent of serial murder.


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From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 12:19 PM

Oi Guest, I can spell that cos you've given me the answer. What does it mean though? Is it the kind of word that gets used in all these adult fancy party games by the middle classes?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 01:54 PM

One of the most important things when it comes to being able to make use of friendly insults and irony and so forth is to have some idea whom you are dealing with. I don't mean name and address and all, but from some previous meetings, you have had a chance to get some notion of when they mean it and when they don't.

That's one major reason why it's tricky with nameless GUESTs - by definition each new post by a nameless GUEST could be the first time you have ever "met" them. Posting as a GUEST without even a temporary handle involves rejecting the idea of any kind of continuity.

When an acquaintance comes up to you and slaps you on the shoulder, it's a greeting. When a total stranger comes up behind you and does the same, it's likely to be taken as an assault.


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From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:01 PM

Hmmmm...didn't know that the term 'middle class' would act so much like a red flag to the bulls looking to take a run.

We could substitute the term 'middle class' in 'middle class nice' with 'rose coloured glasses'. Would that make you feel better there Oi Guest?


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From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:34 PM


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From: fat B****rd
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:41 PM

Being as how I don't really care about Folk Music in general but love "Blues" in particular I think in future I'll keep my nose out of these things.
A good point here seems to be the safety of anonymity. Unfortunately as inflections etc can't be percieved in Cyberspace a good many innocent and supposedly humorous remarks (like most of mine) do seem malicious and hurtful.
John J's line about "when will they broadcast a folk programme too" gives pause for thought, mind you.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:42 PM

FOA FatB****rd
I`ad that Mike Harding in my cab once. `e`d just done an interview with a folk singer or someone. I asked `im oo it was.`e said e`d forgotten. I said whatcha think of `im then. e` said FANTASTIC!!


What am I like?


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From: fat B****rd
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:44 PM

Much obliged , Mr. K. That's the spirit.


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From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:48 PM

Guest is right.... If Ian Anderson wants to hand out insults ,even lightheartedly, he must expect the same in return.
Anyway ,pompous balloons like Mr A deserve to be pricked...Ake


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From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 04 - 02:54 PM

And Mr. Anderson left ukmf in a huff because someone had dared to criticize him! A might thin skin resides under the shirt of blustery ego and ambition that is MISTER Ian Anderson to you, kid.


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From: GUEST,Mike Harding
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 08:31 AM

I am not short! I am rather tall actually!


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From: GUEST,John Prescott
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 08:39 AM

Listen you northern................. Oh. Sorry. Wrong thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 09:08 AM

My God, but that BBC site is clunky and slow and hard to navigate. Quite how the Mudcat, on a fraction of the budget they must have to pay for that site, can manage to be so much better technically, is very hard to understand.

That's quite aside from issues of content - though obviously the ease of navigation, which makes it easy to keep tracks of a large number of threads, does affectr how people use the Mudcat and shape it. "The medium is the message."

I've never yet come across a site to come anywhere near touching the Mudcat when it comes to things like that. Yes I've found a few where there is interesting content, but I just can't feel at ease with getting round them in the same way.


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From: GUEST,gheist
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 10:55 AM

Dear GUEST who used similar format,

There's something that people use when they don't mean something literally. It's called 'metaphor'. [M-E-T-A-P-H-O-R.]


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From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 11:02 AM

Right-e-o there, gheist. And I'm impressed by your ability to spell. However, the problem with your post is you are wrong on the facts. Neither Peter nor Helga used a metaphor.

Ah well, back to the drawing board for you then, eh?


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From: Bobjack
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 11:30 AM

Oh God! I was going to keep out but I can't. I like Mike Harding's programme on radio 2, and listen regularly. I have also seen him live on several occasions.
    Now, watch my lips; THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH FOLK MUSIC ON THE RADIO, THERE SIMPLY IS NOT ENOUGH OF IT!
    Sorry for shouting there folks, we are awash with blues,jazz,pop on BBC radio, but indigenous music is ignored.


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 11:36 AM

Sorry for shouting there folks, we are awash with blues,jazz,pop on BBC radio, but indigenous music is ignored.

And blues, jazz and pop are NOT indigenous??? Were the Beatles Bolivian? And who has not heard of blind Willy Higginthorpe, famous Yorkshire miner, wit and jazz pianist of the thirties who invented dem ole Barnsley Blues...;-)

Cheers

DtG


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From: GUEST,Hugh Jampton
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 11:39 AM

When, after many times of writing, faxing and e-mailing correspondents and presenters to raise questions on contentious points contained in programmes and articles, and, recieving no reply other than a card thanking you for comments, forums like this are the perfect way to air your grievances. Sometimes one feels helpless and ignored even though the point you are making is universally accepted as being deserving of response. Typical examples in my experience are "Question Time", "The Daily Telegraph", the European Debate, and programmes like "Drivetime" and "Folk on Two". It is also gratifying to discover there are many more people out there that share your views and are also interested to open the debate. If there are any bad manners creeping in then it is only borne of frustration and we would be wise to avoid it but wit, satire and lampooning are all part of the game and long may they be so.


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From: Bobjack
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 11:43 AM

Dave the bugger,
                You know what I mean! And yes the Beatles were Bolovian!They are also SERIOUSLY over rated.You would think nowt else had happened over the last thirty years except the bloody Beatles!


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From: fat B****rd
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 01:48 PM

Hello, Guest, Mike Harding. Is that really you ?? I nearly read a book by you.
I usually enjoy your programme and you have been known to play the Afro Celts.


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From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 02:05 PM

I do BJ;-) Just don't get 'em started on another what is English folk music rant. Or else...:-)

I didn't know the Beatles were Bolivian! Is that true? And if nothing else happened for the last 30 years what happened to the first 10? Were they still in Bolivia? (See other thread)

Dave the even bigger bugger:D


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From: GUEST,c.sparra
Date: 20 Jan 04 - 02:33 PM

Afrocelts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A breath of fresh air at last. More power to you. Now if you don't start behaving nicely to each other, it's the silken whip for the lot of you!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Chris Amos
Date: 21 Jan 04 - 02:26 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jan 04 - 12:23 PM

Promises, promises...;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 21 Jan 04 - 05:00 PM

True enough, the Beatles haven't been doing too much as a group during the last 30 years.


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From: GUEST,Santa
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 12:06 PM

Some way back, there was a complaint that songs about the working man were only being sung by the middle classes.

Perhaps this is because there is a noticeable shortage of miners, sailors, ship-builders, fishermen, etc left to sing?

Or possibly because class definitions have a habit of squirming away when closely studied? Is Jez Lowe middle or working class? Johnny Handle was a miner. Ron Baxter was a sailor (though please don't let him sing...!) Tom Lewis and Cyril Tawney were in the Navy.

Perhaps we should complain because those who sing the Border Ballads don't go a-reiving any more? No-one should be allowed to sing songs from the Civil War or Napoleonic times or the Clearances? Only Scots can sing Burns songs.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:30 PM

Hello, Santa. You're referring to my post, I believe.I must concede the point made in your fourth paragraph. When I screech my version of Charley Patton's "Oh, Death" I can't pretend to have come hotfoot from Dockery's Plantation.
Your observation about class definitions in your third paragraph is also (IN MY OPINION) on the ball.
All the best from the non-malicious fB.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:35 PM

Does anything of the above discussion matter the slightest jot?

Will it improve a life, or make someone happier?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:39 PM

Hello,Guest Ed. Is that you that used to be just Ed ?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:42 PM

Possibly. Your point?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:44 PM

Does there have to be one ?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:50 PM

Maybe you should read Albert Camus, or maybe I should shut up. I'll leave it up to you to decide which fits best.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC Radio 2 Folk and acoustic Message bo
From: fat B****rd
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 04:56 PM

I read "The Plague" years ago and no you shoudn't shut up. Goodnight and good luck.


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