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Origins: what is yoiking?

mg 22 Jan 04 - 12:22 AM
open mike 22 Jan 04 - 12:57 AM
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Cluin 22 Jan 04 - 01:06 AM
Cluin 22 Jan 04 - 01:08 AM
Amos 22 Jan 04 - 09:55 AM
GUEST,Cuilionn 22 Jan 04 - 09:56 AM
Art Thieme 22 Jan 04 - 12:29 PM
Amos 22 Jan 04 - 12:43 PM
GUEST 22 Jan 04 - 03:03 PM
GUEST,Paul Burke 23 Jan 04 - 10:07 AM
Cluin 23 Jan 04 - 10:33 AM
Cluin 23 Jan 04 - 10:37 AM
Cusco 23 Jan 04 - 05:35 PM
open mike 23 Jan 04 - 11:38 PM
GUEST,Paul Burke 24 Jan 04 - 06:12 AM
GUEST,guest Claus 24 Jan 04 - 07:26 AM
GUEST,Bman 24 Jan 04 - 07:34 AM
AKS 24 Jan 04 - 08:53 AM
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Subject: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: mg
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 12:22 AM

I caught part of a show on KBCS in Bellevue, WA, USA...and they had some Finnish Yoiking on...just caught a bit of it...anyone know anyting about it? mg


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: open mike
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 12:57 AM

of course you might ask Deckman, as he would know first hand..
but the Sami people often use the Joik as a song to praise a
person, or explain about something. You can hear it on Sweet Sunny North, a recording don by David Lindley and Henry Kaiser about 10 years ago. there is a Sami performer called Wimme (pronounced Vee-May) who
has a funny yoik (or Joik) about Texas where he repeats "Texas" in different resonant tones...a vocal art. Joik is said to be a way of purifying yourself. the Sami (a.k.a. Lapp-but they consider that term derogatory)are also called the "European Indians" their vocal chanting sounds similar to native american chantnig..mnay of the North Side Records have joik www.noside.com


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: open mike
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 01:01 AM

another performer in the Joik style is Mari Boine,


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 01:06 AM

From liner notes of Martyn Bennett's Bothy Culture CD:

Track 7: Joik
This is an attempt at an old Shamanic form of chanting from the northern parts of Scandinavia called Jôiking. It's fun to do with everyone while waiting at a bus stop.


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Cluin
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 01:08 AM

Joik and the theory of knowledge.


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 09:55 AM

Wow, the things you learn on Mudcat!!

:>)

A


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: GUEST,Cuilionn
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 09:56 AM

The show, "Sound and Spirit", is based at WGBH, Boston, and that week's program was entitled, "Out of Finland." I always enjoy the show, (can you say "amateur ethnomusicologist" ten times, fast?), but that week was particularly fine! Here's the address for the bibliography:

http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/pri/spirit/shows/082bibl.html

(tried to make a blue clicky, but failed)

The show's website also has playlists, a list of "Finnish Links" and other goodies.

Gabh spors/Have fun!

--Cuilionn


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 12:29 PM

Is this not often connected to the herding of reindeer?

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 12:43 PM


CLick here: http://www.wgbh.org/wgbh/pages/pri/spirit/shows/082bibl.html


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 04 - 03:03 PM

Everything the Saami do is related to herding reindeer.

Stephen


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:07 AM

Berit Nordland (my friend Kirsten's aunt!) is a good joiker- there is (or was) a CD available. Kirsten told me that a joik is a personal attribute of the subject, and it epitomises that person's character or history.

Not speaking Sami, to me they all sound a bit like "I'll oil loyal lawyer's alloy loy", but the gapped- scale tunes are delicious.

This one:



sounds like a tape recorder played backwards.


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:33 AM

Or not at all.   ;)


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Cluin
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 10:37 AM

You meant something on this page, Paul?


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Cusco
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 05:35 PM

In Lancashire (and indeed in many other parts of England) yoiking is still athriving tradition. mainly practised on Friday and Saturday nights it often (though not exclusively) includes the use of a large white yoiking bowl. Various ceremonies precede the act of yoiking. They are usually quite specific to the individual/locality. In my area the yoiking is usually follows copious quantities of Robinsons and a Madarse or Vindaloo. If not too many lamposts are kissed in the ensuing perambulations the final act of yoiking will be carried out in the comforts of ones own yoiking chamber.


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: open mike
Date: 23 Jan 04 - 11:38 PM

for more info about the reindeer and their people:
Baiki-the Sami Magazine
I feel a kinshipe with these people and so subscribed to this
Baiki magazine for a time....alas it appears as it it is no
longer in publication...a great resource and a great unifying
factor for those of us who are actual or percieved Samer!
(my initials are L.A.P.P.) and i have high cheek bones and
shove shaped incisors...this is said to be a sure sign!


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: GUEST,Paul Burke
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 06:12 AM

From Cluin:

You meant something on this page, Paul?
Yes, apologies, don't know where my pasted URL went.
"Joik efter Berit Nordland", but it's not how I remember her singing.


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: GUEST,guest Claus
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 07:26 AM

Is Sami related to the language of Santi ?
(Only Yoking)


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: GUEST,Bman
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 07:34 AM

Wonderful thread. I loved the joiking samples on Amazon; it reminded me a bit of Australian aboriginal music, with digeridoo. It was amusing and a bit telling that under the "customers who bought this also bought..." rubric, it said: no titles available.
regards, Bman


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: AKS
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 08:53 AM

Hi! Joiku normally has no lyrics at all, and if it does have, they are short and brief. It is mainly lilting on syllables consisting of (initial) liquid consonants and vowels or diphtongs. That's why they really do sound like "I'll oil loyal lawyer's alloy loy" (to the point, Paul B!:)

AKS


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Matt_R
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 09:03 AM

I thought this thread was gonna be about Fox hunting! Yoiks-a-Pommers!


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Deckman
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 03:52 PM

Well ... MUDCAT strikes again! Bob(deckman)Nelson here. Maggie, AKA "Stilly River Sage" alerted me regarding this thread. I've been distracted for several weeks, so I have not been able to pay attention as I would prefer.

Open Mike: I appreciate your mention of my heritage in this thread. However, I feel I need to explain that my "Finnishness" comes from Grandparents that immigrated in the 1890's. This means that my knowledge of Finland, it's languages and cultures, is really quite antiquated. When my late Father and I studied the modern Finnish language together, we were always shunted to the rear of the room as our vocabulary was olde. I did learn how to say, "Shut up and sit down!"

Regarding Joiking. I have heard of it, but it's important to realize that Joiking comes from the Lapplander (Saami) people. The Sammi and the Finns are different people all together. I learned that there are 26 diffent language dialects, all in a country the size of western Washington and western Oregon combined. And "all together" really is the proper phrase, as the Lapps have free travel over four, or is it five, countries North of the artic Circle.

I also mention this as I know of at least one Finnish MUDCATTER, "AKS", from who I received the long missing translation of a song I was seeking. KITTOS AGAIN! And I suspect that there might well several MUDCATTERS from Lappland.

Going back to the subject: I know that the Finns generally, and my Grandparents particularly, have/had a very wary regard for the Lapps. After all, legend has it that the Lapps can controll the weather, can use charms for all purposes, and are generally not to be messed with. Legend also said that the early Vikings always included at least one Lapp to cause favorable winds.

After my long winded contribution, I do want to say that the music sounds simply wonderful! CHEERS, Bob


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Cluin
Date: 24 Jan 04 - 04:10 PM

Paul,

On impulse, I viewed the source code of the page (VIEW--> SOURCE) to see whether you had posted an URL or not. There was an URL inside angle brackets but no HTML anchor coding to allow it to display in your post. I don't know whether you used a A HREF code for it or not but it wasn't saved.

Anyway, Amazon won't let you link to one of their sound files from another website. You have to go to the page to hear them.

Just FYI...


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Subject: RE: Origins: what is yoiking?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 14 Jul 10 - 07:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzupjHuvACk


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