Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil's Dead /...Deil's Deid

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil's Dead /...Deil's Deid
From: GUEST,Sean O'Shea
Date: 20 Jun 19 - 03:53 AM

In Cornwall,it's sung;
Some say the devil's dead and buried in Fowey harbour,
Others say he's rose again and prentice to a barber.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil's Dead /...Deil's Deid
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Aug 09 - 03:35 PM

From Anonymous, "Nursery Rhymes," Blackwood's Edinburgh Magazine, Vol. 37, No. 236, June, 1835, page 956:

Some say the devil's dead,
And buried in cold harbour;
Some say he's alive again,
And prentice to a barber.

[The rhyme is accompanied by a facetious interpretation in which barber = wig = Whig.]

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From "Masonic Intelligence – Scotland – Edinburgh – St. Andrew's Day." The Freemasons' Quarterly Review, December 31, 1842, page 448:

Air, "Some say the deil's dead, and buried in Kirkaldy."

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From "The Nursery and Popular Rhymes and Tales of England and Scotland" Tait's Edinburgh Magazine, Vol. X, February, 1843, page 118:

Sir Walter Scott, when the exciting news burst upon Europe that Buonaparte had miraculously escaped from Elba, and was marching on to Paris in great force, began a letter to a friend with this snatch of song which Mr. Chambers gives as a Jacobite rhyme:—

Some say the deil's dead, the deil's dead, the deil's dead;
Some say the deil's dead, and buried in Kirkaldy;
Some say he's risen again, risen again, risen again,
Some say he's risen again, and danced the Highland laddie.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil is Dead
From: Snuffy
Date: 18 Sep 00 - 06:47 PM

Derek Warfield was (is?) one of the Wolfe Tones - I have the version Pene posted on a Wolfe Tones Greatest Hits tape - do you need the tune?

Wassail! V

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil is Dead
From: Tom D.
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 10:18 PM

Wow, that was quick!!

Thanks,

Tom D.

Subject: Lyr Add: SOME SAY THE DEVIL IS DEAD (D Warfield)
From: Pene Azul
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 10:03 PM

Here are the lyrics from the external link:

SOME SAY THE DEVIL IS DEAD
(Derek Warfield)

Some say the Devil is dead, Devil is dead, the Devil is dead
Some say the Devil is dead and buried in Killarney
More say he rose again, more say he rose again
More say he rose again and joined the British Army

Feed the pigs and milk the cow, milk the cow, milk the cow
Feed the pigs and milk the cow and early in the morning
Cock your leg up Paddy dear, Paddy dear I'm over here
Cock your leg up Paddy dear it's time to stop your yawnin'

Katie she is tall and thin, tall 'n thin, tall 'n thin
Katie she is tall and thin and likes her drops of Brandy
Drinks it in the bed each night, drinks it in the bed each night
Drinks it in the bed each night, it makes her nice and randy

Some say the Devil is dead, Devil is dead, the Devil is dead
Some say the Devil is dead and buried in Killarney
More say he rose again, more say he rose again
More say he rose again and joined the British Army

My man is six foot tall, six foot tall, he's six foot tall
My man is six foot tall and likes his sugar candy
Goes to bed at 6 o'clock, goes to bed at 6 o'clock
Goes to bed at 6 o'clock he's lazy fat and bandy

Some say the Devil is dead, Devil is dead, the Devil is dead
Some say the Devil is dead and buried in Killarney
More say he rose again, more say he rose again
More say he rose again and joined the British Army

My wife she has the hairy thing, hairy thing, a hairy thing
The wife she has a hairy thing she showed to me on Sunday
She bought it in a furrier shop, a furrier shop, a furrier shop
She bought it in a furrier shop, it's going back on Monday

Some say the Devil is dead, Devil is dead, the Devil is dead
Some say the Devil is dead and buried in Killarney
More say he rose again, more say he rose again
More say he rose again and joined the British Army

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil is Dead
From: Pene Azul
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 10:01 PM

There's another version here (click) in the Digitrad.

Jeff

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some Say the Devil is Dead
From: Pene Azul
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 09:59 PM

You can get the lyrics here (click).

Jeff

Subject: Some Say the Devil is Dead
From: GUEST,Tom Dowling
Date: 17 Sep 00 - 09:50 PM

I am looking for the lyrics to the tune "Some Say the Devil is Dead." Does anyone know from whence I might be able to download them?

Thanks,

Tom D.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 07 Dec 99 - 11:43 PM

The original issue of "Kate Kearney" seems to be a single sheet song with music issued with imprint 'Sold at M. Kelly's Opera Salon Pall Mall', 'Sung by Mr. Incledon The words by Miss Owenson'. This was stamped on, so Kelly probably had contacted out the music engraving and printing. [Copy of that and Kelly's issue of "The Boys of Kilkenny" (on my website) at the Folger Shakespeare Library] Kelly also had a wine shop adjacent, both being near the King's Theater, where he was acting manager.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 07 Dec 99 - 11:12 PM

"Kate Kearney" is a song by Sideney Owenson (later Lady Morgan), c 1803. It's tune is a variant of "The Beardless Boy" (see both titles in the Irish tune index at www.erols.com/olsonw). There are several copies of the song with music in the Levy collection (Mudcat's links)

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Dec 99 - 10:53 PM

G'day all,

I see this one is up and running again ... I was chasing the Kate Kearney references as while back to help in dating some verses, possibly by "Frank The Poet" an Irish political convict who came to Australia around 1832.

The poem has a reference to Kate Kearney and this ought to help - if only someone could give me the background on the historical Kate. I know there is a "Kate Kearney's Cottage" where you hire jaunting cars but nobody seems to be able to tell me who she actually was ... and when!

There was also a "Kate Carney" who was involved in a 19th c. band, so that Hohner used to make a series of "Kate Carney's Band" mouthorgans, but this was a false lead. I think I need an Irish historian of the obscure!

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Some say the devil is dead
From:
Date: 07 Dec 99 - 10:06 AM

Note that the pronunciation is de'il, that is, deel. Also, the folk tradition made it, in my family, "buried in Kirkcaldy "(which is in Scotland) And the last line reads, instead of "joined the british army", danced the Hieland (some dance name)

Subject: Lyr Req: Some say the devil is dead
From: sara
Date: 06 Dec 99 - 10:14 PM

I am looking for lyrics to a song I've heard recently performed. They chorus is:

Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead, the devil is dead, Buried in Killarney

More say he rose again, rose again, rose again, and joined the british army.

Any help in finding these lyrics would be helpful. I've heard it's a version of a song named 'The Keel Row.'

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Boyle
Date: 20 Oct 99 - 02:27 PM

The correct Wolfe Tones lyrics are:

Feed the pigs and milk the cow, milk the cow, milk the cow.
Feed the pigs and milk the cow so early in the morning.
Cock your leg up, Paddy dear, Paddy dear; I'm over here.
Cock your leg up, Paddy dear; it's time to stop your yawnin'. Chorus

Katie she is tall & thin, tall & thin, tall & thin.
Katie she is tall and thin, likes her drops of brandy.
Drinks them in her bed at night. Drinks them in her bed at night.
Drinks them in her bed at night. Makes her nice and randy. Chorus

My man is 6 ft. tall, 6 ft. tall, 6 ft. tall.
My man is 6 ft. tall. He likes his sugar candy.
Goes to bed at 6 o'clock. Goes to bed at 6 o'clock.
Goes to bed at 6 o'clock. He's lazy, but a dandy. Chorus

The wife she has a hairy thing, a hairy thing, a hairy thing.
The wife she has a hairy thing. She showed it to me on Sunday.
She bought it in the furrier shop, bought it in the furrier shop,
Bought it in the furrier shop. It's goin' back on Monday. Chorus.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 20 Oct 99 - 12:37 AM

Forgot to check DT, where Murray on Saltspring has already given a version with notes on several copies in file DEILDEID.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Bruce O.
Date: 20 Oct 99 - 12:25 AM

It took a long before I recalled where I had seen something quite similar. Here is the version in David Herd's MS, c 1776, as given in Hans Hecht's 'Songs from David Herd's MSS'

Some say the deel's dead,
The deel's dead, the deel's dead'
Some say the deel's dead
And buried in Kirka'dy [Kirkaldy in Fifeshire]
And some say he's risen agen,
And some say he risen and run
Awa wi' the Highland ladie!

In Chamber's 'Popular Rhymes' the ending goes, "and risen again, and danced the Highland laddie".

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: paddymac
Date: 07 Oct 99 - 08:05 PM

The Wolfe Tones Songbook, Vol. 2; c. 1990, Walton's manufacturing, Ltd, Dublin, Ireland. Published by Walton's Music Inc., P.O. Box 1505, Westfield, MA 01086 USA. If you can't find it otherwise, you could probably order direct from the publisher.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: margaret
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 11:43 PM

I've always meant to learn the words to Love Will You Marry Me, but I'm pretty sure I heard it on a De Danaan album some twenty years ago. Am I dreaming?

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 09:09 PM

gaffer, do you happen to have a famous Uncle Herman?

(I aologise if I have got the wrong gaffer but there can't be many with Cornish connections).

Jon

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Magpie
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 04:12 PM

Fairy snuff, Joe Magpie

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 04:11 PM

Thanks, Magpie - I made most of the corrections you suggested. I still question the sugar candy, so I left what I heard on that one.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Magpie
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 03:24 PM

Joe Offer, here's the version I know (or rather the lines thatare different from yours):

1.verse ...Cock you leg up Paddy dear... 2.verse ...Drinks it in her bed each night... 3.verse ...My man is six fot tall and likes a sugar candy. Goes to bed at six o'clock, he's lazy, fat and bandy.

Magpie

Subject: Lyr Add: SOME SAY THE DEVIL IS DEAD
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 03:07 PM

SOME SAY THE DEVIL IS DEAD
(S. McCarthy, D. Warfield/Skin Music)

(Chorus)
Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead, the devil is dead,
Some say the devil is dead, and buried in Killarney.
More say he rose again, more say he rose again,
More say he rose again and joined the British army.

Feed the pigs and milk the cow, and milk the cow, and milk the cow,
Feed the pigs and milk the cow and early in the morning.
Cock(?) your leg O Paddy dear, Paddy dear I'm over here,
Cock(?) your leg O Paddy dear, it's time to stop your yawnin'.
(Chorus)

Katie she is tall and thin, she's tall and thin, and tall and thin,
Katie she is tall and thin and likes a drop of brandy
Drinks it in the beddy (?) straight, drinks it in the beddy straight
Drinks it in the beddy straight, it makes her nice and randy
(Chorus)

Diddle dee die, dee dum dee die, dee…..

My man is six foot tall, he's six foot tall, he's six foot tall
My man is six foot tall, he like his jug of candy
Goes to bed at six o'clock, goes to bed at six o'clock
Goes to bed at six o'clock, he's lazy fat and bandy (?)
(Chorus)

The wife she has a hairy thing, hairy thing, hairy thing.
The wife she has a hairy thing, she showed it to me Sunday
She bought it in a furrier's shop, furrier's shop, furrier's shop.
She bought it in a furrier's shop, it's going back on Monday.
(Chorus)

(Transcribed from "The Wolfe Tones," Celtic Collections CD #KCDE 420)
-Joe Offer-

…as you can see, I had trouble understanding some words, please let me know about any corrections that should be made.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Smeb
Date: 06 Oct 99 - 12:55 PM

My question still remains!

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Smeb
Date: 08 Sep 99 - 01:52 PM

Is the wolftetones songbook on-line anywhere?

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: gaffer
Date: 02 Sep 99 - 08:11 PM

It's known in Cornwall as "The 3-hand Reel" :

Some say the Devil's dead and buried in Fowey Harbour More say he;s rose again an 'prenticed to a barber

When John's father died, John and I us took a ride Down beside the riverside and home again for supper

It has plenty more "spur of the moment" verses but these seem constant down there. The A music I recall as pretty similar to the Clancy's but for dancing there's a B music too and I've come across a couple of different B's.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Ewan McVicar
Date: 02 Sep 99 - 03:22 AM

It's an interesting concept, that a tune is identified by the chords one chooses to accompany it with, rather than by its notes.
I had not spotted the relationship between the tune I have sometimes heard called Rolling In the Ryegrass and Green Sleeves, which in the 1580s was apparently a lively jig from the North. Other Scottish children's song tunes which are relatives of Green Sleeves include Green Peas and Mutton Pies, and Who'll Come In To My Wee Ring.
You can choose quite a lot of different chords to accompany them. Some people choose minor chords for Green Sleeves, some choose major chords.
But the tunes still have the same dominant note sequences that show the relationships - they are not the same tune, they are relatives, or variants.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 06:05 AM

There's also

Johnny, when you die, will you leave me your fiddle-o
Johnny, when you die, will you leave me your bow?(x2)

Only if you say that you love me dearly
Only if you say that to me you will be true(x2)

I've also heard these words sung to "The Keel Row".

Malcolm Douglas

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: SeanM
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 02:25 AM

Because EVERY song can be turned into greensleeves!

Just like every song can be forced into the tune of "Old Maui"...

I sing with a group of pranksters who at times have taken joy in singing the entire group repetoire to the tune of both of these songs... *shudder*

M

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: j0_77
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 01:22 AM

Green Sleeves

huh how can the tune be even vaguely like G Sleeves - That one has a change from G maj to E MAJOR -

Johnny won't you marry me marry me etc etc... learned from the playing of a fiddler who added the words afterward. Don't have any other name sorry.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: paddymac
Date: 01 Sep 99 - 12:46 AM

smeb- the WT version is in one of their song books.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: smeb
Date: 31 Aug 99 - 09:08 AM

Does anyone know 'the wolfetones' version of this song?

Subject: The Divil is Dead & The Man from Mullingar
From:
Date: 21 Apr 99 - 08:06 PM

Hello,

I'm looking for the lyrics to:

Some say the Divil is Dead

and

The Man from Mullingar

I just can't seem to find them at all.

Thanks, Bas no an Bua

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Click here for "The Man from Mullingar.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Mike Heaney
Date: 25 Oct 98 - 07:07 PM

The tune is a variant of Greensleeves, and versions of these words were sung by morris dancers in Oxfordshire in the last century. The tune is used for the Bacca Pipes jig

Subject: Lyr Add: SOME SAY THE DEVIL'S DEAD
From: Alice
Date: 26 Sep 98 - 12:06 PM

The first version of this I learned is the one that I heard in the Clancy/Makem recordings in the 60's. (joined the British army) Lately I found a tape with lots of short versions of songs... "50 Irish Singalong Favourites" recorded in a studio in Belfast. It has this version of 'Some Say the Devil's Dead'.

SOME SAY THE DEVIL'S DEAD

Some say the devil's dead, the devil's dead, the devil's dead,
Some say the devil's dead and buried in Killarney.
More say he rose again, more say he rose again, more say he rose again,
And married Katy Kearney.

Feed the pigs and milk the cow, milk the cow, milk the cow,
Feed the pigs and milk the cow so early in the morning.
Stir yourself Barney dear, Barney dear, Barney dear,
Stir yourself Barney dear, it's time to stop your yawnin'.

Some say the devil's dead, the devil's dead, the devil's dead,
Some say the devil's dead and buried in Killarney.
More say he rose again, more say he rose again, more say he rose again,
And married Katy Kearney.

alice in montana

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Zorro
Date: 26 Sep 98 - 06:55 AM

Thanks Daniel, That's the version I heard. I'm frantically searching for the complete song and will post it if and when.

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Daniel
Date: 25 Sep 98 - 06:19 PM

This is the version I know: Some say the devil´s dead I say hardy Some say the devil´s dead He´s buried in Killarney

Some say... Some say he rose again He´s joined the British Army

Some say... Seen him down in Dublin town Drinking with McKearny

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Ewan McV
Date: 25 Sep 98 - 06:14 PM

There's a Scottish proverb, over 100 years old, which fits the same tune :

Some say the devil's dead and buried in Kirkcaldy

More say he rose again and danced the Heiland Laddie

I use this song to introduce a story about a failed missionary.

Also, on incredibly 1930 acetate recordings of Black Bahamas singers (in the archives of East Tennessee State University, alongside some unique 1940 recordings of Leadbelly) I heard in the midst of a kid's play song :

"Some say the devil's dead"

but I could not make out the rest

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Zorro
Date: 22 Sep 98 - 07:24 PM

I found it in the data base under SOME SAY THE DE'IL'S DEID. only two verses shown. I've heard the song recently but where?? I think it's longer than two verses. I'd like to have them too.. Good luck. Z

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: kevin ryan
Date: 22 Sep 98 - 01:44 AM

I've also heard a version that goes-- "Some say the devil's dead; Some say he's hardly. Some say the devil's dead and buried in Killarney. More say he rose again, more say he rose again, more say he rose again....and joined the British Army!"

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Maelgwyn
Date: 21 Sep 98 - 11:57 PM

Love will ye marry me, marry me, marry me?
Love will ye marry me and take me out of danger?
No I won't marry you, marry you, marry you
No I won't marry you, for why you are a stranger

Why didn't ye tell me so, why didn't ye tell me so?
Why didn't ye tell me so before ye did the harm?
What harm did I do, what harm did I do?
What harm did I do, I rolled ye in me arms

repeat 1st verse

Why didn't ye tell me so, why didn't ye tell me so
Why didn't ye tell me so, what could have delayed ye?
How could I tell ye so, how could I tell ye so
For if I did, dee diddly dow, I never could have gained ye

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From:
Date: 21 Sep 98 - 11:02 PM

Is there not another name for the tune of this? Isn't it a little dance piece to which someone has put words?

Subject: RE: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 Sep 98 - 09:03 PM

Johnny will you marry me,marry me, marry me
Johnny will you marry me & save me from the shame

No I will not marry you, marry you, marry you
No I will not mary you & save you from the shame

can't remember any more, if any more comes to me I'll post it. Barry

Subject: Lyr Add: SOME SAY THE DEVIL'S DEAD (from Clancy)
From: Liam's Brother
Date: 21 Sep 98 - 10:13 AM

Hi Mark!

You'll find the version you want on a Clancy Brothers recording.

Joe "Banjo" Burke who's from Killkenny and sings here in New York quite a bit has the Kate Kearney variant:

Some say the devil's dead, the devil's dead, devil's dead and buried in Killarney.
More say he rose again, rose again, rose again and married Katie Kearney.

Katie she is tall and thin, tall and thin, tall and thin. Likes a drop of whiskey.
Takes it in her bed at night, bed at night, bed at night. She says it makes her sexy.

My wife she has a hairy thing, hairy thing, hairy thing. She showed it to me Sunday.
Bought it in a furrier's shop, furrier's shop, furrier's shop. It's going back on Monday.

If you sing it out, don't forget "Banjo". He's a great guy.

All the best,
Dan Milner

Subject: REQ: Some say the devil is dead?
From:
Date: 21 Sep 98 - 07:02 AM

Trying to find the full lyrics to the song, I only have the chorus:

Some say the devil is dead, the devil is dead,the devil is dead Some say the devil is dead and buried in Kilarney More say he rose again, rose again, rose again More say he rose again and joined the British Army

Thanks in advance Mark