BS: Anyone speak latin

Subject: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Den
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 11:48 AM

I know we have a number of learned catters around, so I was wondering if anyone could help me translate the phrase "success through effort", into latin. The phrase will be incorporated into a club crest I am designing for my brother's youth soccer team. Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks. D

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: MudGuard
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 11:58 AM

success = successus or successio
through = per
effort = nixus

Question: why do you want it in Latin, if none of the players knows enough Latin to translate it anyway?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: MudGuard
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:02 PM

Forgot to mention: after "per" accusative is used, so the phrase should be
successio per nixum

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:04 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Den
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:05 PM

Well Mudguard, I'm just the piano player, so to speak. My brother wants it in latin as I suppose its kind of a tradition to have a motto as part of your crest or club badge in soccer and the words are usually but not exclusively in latin. Thanks for you quick response though. Would you use successus or successio, if you were saying it?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:10 PM

there is already a well known Latin motto that carries the sense of success through effort it is

ad astra per aspera

roughly in English 'to the stars by hardships'

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: BanjoRay
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:15 PM

Shouldn't that be Per Ardua Ad Astra - The motto of the Royal Air Force?
Ray

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:24 PM

similar, but both are seen in use, BanjoRay;

you could say 'successus per magnum laborem' and I think you would be understood as

'success through hard work'

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: mooman
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:27 PM

A slightly more elegant phrase might be

labor omnia vincit

meaning "work conquers all"

Pax

moo

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: MudGuard
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:30 PM

I'd prefer successio over successus...

But I am not a big expert, I am just good enough to use a dictionary, a grammar book and some small rest of all the Latin lessons ages ago at school...

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:33 PM

Yet another thread reminding me of one of those nifty tricks of my Dad's--rattling off Latin phrases or translating terms.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:38 PM

successio is more to do with succession, as in an office, taking the place of someone
successus is correct for succes

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Den
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 12:40 PM

Thanks everyone for your help.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: open mike
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:03 PM

as for actually SPEAKING latin, I hear this is not done much any more!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: DonMeixner
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:38 PM

My personal motto bespeaks my general laziness.

Carpe Post Meridian = Seize The Afternoon.

My plan is to retire someplace and a Bed and Lunch.

Don

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Firecat
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 01:41 PM

I've got a personal Latin motto! I got it from the book "Moondial" by Helen Cresswell. It is "Lux et Umbra vicissim, sed semper Amor", otherwise known as "Light and Shadow by turns, but always Love".

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 02:21 PM

Anyone translate this phrase into Latin:

"The truth, wherever it may lead"

After 'Veritas', I'm lost!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Bill Kennedy
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 03:43 PM

Veritas, quacumque duceat! present subjunctive 'it may lead'

or

Veritas, quacumque ducebit! future 'it will lead.'

I think I would opt for the future tense here. I think this is right

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Helen
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 04:01 PM

Mooman,

Labor omnia vincit was our high school motto. Of course, being a girls' high school the students changed it to Amor omnia vincit - Love conquers all.

victoria = victory, so you could consider that instead of "success".

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Amos
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 06:29 PM

If there are any questions not resolved, Deda teaches Latin professionally as well.

You can PM her.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Deda
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 11:44 PM

I'm delighted to see that catters continue to dip into Latin questions from time to time. Lingua haud mortua est. (the language is not dead!)

Re "wherever it leads" -- Off the top of my head I'd think that "quocumque" (masculine or neuter) would be better for "wherever" than "quacumque" (feminine). ("Quo vadis" means "where are you going?", and the suffix "-cumque" is similar to -soever.) Also I think that rather than "quocumque duceat" OR "ducebit", a Roman might say something like, "veritam sequar, ad quidquid finem" -- I shall follow truth to whatever end.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 04 Feb 04 - 11:58 PM

Deda, when I was in the Royal Navy (submarines) one of our engineering officers would often say

' Semper in excretum, soumus solem profundum variat'

Excuse the bad spelling but I think it meant

Always in the s***, only the depth varies

Is it correct?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:34 AM

Since several others have posted this direction

Drop the Latin and go for a good gutteral German pharse

Arbeit Machts Frei

Sincerely, Gargoyle

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:39 AM

Deda, since you are professionally qualified, and since it is over thirty years since I studied Latin, could you settle an argument regarding the opening line of Caesar's Gallic Wars ?

I always thought the line was "Omnis Gallia in tres partes divisa est", but I have seen it written as "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres" which doesn't sound right to me.

Could you give an authoritative adjudication ?

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Daithi
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:44 AM

Had the "interesting" experience of learning both Latin and Classical Greek at school in the sixties. Fascinating stuff, very helpful when learning some modern European languages or trying to spell some English words - but I refuse to believe anybody actually ever spoke them. It just takes too long to remember the correct endings...
Avete atque Valete

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:48 AM

Guest: I have forgotten almost all the Latin I ever learned - which wasn't much to begin with - but I certainly remember the teacher hammering on about word order: Subject, Object, Adverb, Verb. That would make the form you remember the right one.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Leadfingers
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 08:28 AM

I still like Sam Vimes -- Veni Vermini Vomiti -- I Came I Got Ratted I Threw Up

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Snuffy
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:14 AM

"Ubique quo fas et gloria ducunt" is the Royal Regiment of Artillery motto.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:59 AM

Pope John Paul II - he will be only to willing to help.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: JennyO
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM

Helen and Moo, "Labor Omnia Vincit" was my old High School motto too. What high school did you go to, Helen? Was it in Sydney?

Personally, I like "In Vino Veritas", which I could loosely translate to mean, "When I get really pissed I shoot my mouth off and say things I shouldn't have said..."

Jenny

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: mooman
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:20 PM

A most enjoyable and educational thread!

O! Plus! Perge! Aio! Hui! Hem!

Pax

moo

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Dr Will C U Now
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:32 PM

Nihil Illigitimus Carborundum
Never let the bastards grind you down.

(OFr) Honi Soir Qui Mal Y Pense
Evil to him that does bad things in his pants.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: SueB
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:35 PM

I had the most captivating Latin teacher at Boston Latin in the seventh grade, who taught us to conjugate verbs to the tune of the Mexican Hat Dance -

Amo, amas, amat,
Amamus, amatis, amant

Amabo, amabas, amabat...


From her I learned to "semper ubi sub ubi".

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Hog
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:50 PM

I can only speak the "Pig Latin" variety, and not well at that.

I do love latin and they should have never done away with it as a requirement in high school.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Les from Hull
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 12:59 PM

Guest - 'Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres' is what the lad wrote.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 01:02 PM

I believe you, Les, but my teacher would have marked him down!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 03:10 AM

Bill Kennedy and Dede - thank you both very much.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Helen
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 08:39 AM

SueB

"semper ubi sub ubi".   Clever!

Hog, I love Latin too.

JennyO, it was Maitland Girls' High, now (co-ed) & called Maitland Grossmann High, named after the founder, a Miss Grossmann, so one of the few schools - if there are any others in Oz - named after a woman.

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: freda underhill
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 08:53 AM

jennyo, my understanding of latin is non gradus anus rodentum.

i obviously went to the wrong school!

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: JennyO
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 09:06 AM

Ok freda, I'll bite - does this mean you don't give a rat's arse?

Helen, I went to Sydney Girls High. Not that it did me any good......................

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: GUEST,Frug
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 09:29 AM

"Emolumentum" on its own might do being achievement oir product of effort.

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Helen
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 06:58 PM

I e-mailed "semper ubi sub ubi" to my sister. Quick as a flash she sent me this back:

Superman's motto
"semper ubi sub ubi super"

Helen

Subject: RE: BS: Anyone speak latin
From: Amos
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 07:27 PM

(Always wear underwear on the outside!!") LOL!!! Another whacky sisterhood indeed!


A