Tony Rose Project

Subject: Tony Rose Project
From: Ralphie
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 05:43 AM

I've just received an E Mail from Tonys daughter Laura, regarding a project to create a retrospective CD of Tonys life.
So, chaps....anybody got any live recordings of Mr Rose in their attics??
My breath is bated
Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 06:22 AM

I've alerted the usual suspects (wake up Kevin Sheils!) to sort through their junk...could take some time.

This is wonderful news. Tony Rose's glorious voice should be available everywhere. I'm so looking forward to the results.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 08:43 AM

Tony sang with Pete and Chris Coe and Nic Jones in that great band Bandogs, Pete would be a good contact, he's on line at either Ryburn Three Step or Redshift Records, [ I think ]
eric

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 09:02 AM

How to contact Pete Coe

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 03:49 PM

Laura's started her own thread... can a Joe clone combine them?

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 04:14 PM

I didn't see yours on here earlier Ralphie, we must have started around the same time. Great minds think alike!
Laura x

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Crane Driver
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 05:25 PM

I have a tape of Tony singing at the Triangle Folk Club, Edinburgh, sometime in the early '70s - I'll look it out. Quality of recording is no doubt poor, but the quality of the performance will surely shine through. You're welcome to use anything on it that you like. PM me with the address you'd like it sent to.

Andrew

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Nemesis
Date: 05 Feb 04 - 07:09 PM

Don't flatter him Laura, I'm positive your mind is much greater than his.

Nem

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 05:02 AM

Unfortunately Countess I was never a collector of tapes of club nights although I was at many of Tony's gigs when he lived in London.

Now I wonder if Bill Leader has any outtakes of the sessions for his albums that were not part of the deal that saw them going eventually to CM.

Probably not, and could possibly cause problems anyway, but may be worth exploring if anyone has contact with Bill. I lost touch with him when he moved from round the corner to me in London.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 07:29 AM

OK, back to what I said above....chez Pete Coe seems a good place to start asking since he was there at the time Leader was wound up.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: pavane
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 08:16 AM

Good luck - I will look forward to it. Unfortunatly, when I saw Tony at Pontardawe many years ago (early 1970's), I didn't record him, but I greatly enjoyed the evening.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: GUEST,Geoff
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM

I may have some recordings.This will require a couple of days to determine !

Can you post an address to contact please !

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Crane Driver
Date: 06 Feb 04 - 06:50 PM

I've found the tape, and it's remarkably good quality, seeing it dates from 1973 or thereabouts. The songs are as follows: -

Poor Man's Labours
Just as the Tide was Flowing
The Famous Farmer (Bruton Town)
The Crafty Maid's Policy
Silbury Hill
Thornaby Woods
The Pensioner's Complaint
Sheath and Knife
Limbo
The Bellringing

plus Tony's introductions and chat between songs. I know some of these are on his recordings, but I'll happily copy the tape for this project. Where do I send it?

Andrew

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 03:51 PM

Hi - i don't know if my PM ever got to you because a whole list of 'Geoffs' came up and I sent it to one. Looking at you name (Geoff) on here again thogh the little PM sign isn't highlighted. Do you still need an address?
thanks lots

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM

I have a good few reel-to-reel songs of Tony's in the mid-60's, recorded in Oxford.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 04:34 PM

As well as the reasonable quality recordings I mentioned in the previous post, i have some rough cassette live club recordings, of Tony singing Shoals of Herring, Kelly the Boy from Killane, The Seeds of Love, and Come all ye Tramps and Hawkers. Probably from 1964. I also have a splendidly atrocious tape of the Chastity Belt, with verses contributed by Tony Rose, and also Mudcat's very own McGrath from Harlow and Mike of Northumbria, in their green and salad days.
PM me if you are interested,Laura.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: bazza
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 03:34 PM

I have some of tony,s songs recorded at" The Fighting Cocks" in Kingsston on thames in the 60,s.I will try and find them

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 11:11 AM

hi - have PMd some of you - just renewing the thread!
We are very interested in tapes and stuff! We've got one so far, and a couple that we had stored away in the attic - but thats all so far! Please keep digging!
Thanks and lots of hugs
Laura x

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: greg stephens
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:41 PM

Refresh. Keep these tapes coming

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:13 PM

Yes do! and if you need an address ask and I'll PM you!

x

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 02:27 PM

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 10 Mar 04 - 02:32 PM

Just a quickie to refresh - and also big BIG hugs to everyone who has sent stuff in, and wwho are digging away for us! Very Very much appreciated! thanks

Laura xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 Mar 04 - 05:20 PM

Hi again,
hope everyone is lovely! Just to say there is now an address in the current issue of FRoots, and also my e-mail address. (pg 13 I think)
Thanks
hugs from Laura x

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: GUEST,pat&ken
Date: 21 Mar 04 - 11:29 AM

Hi Laura,
I managed to find a copy of a folkweave that Tony was on in 1977 from Ipswich Folk club which is quite clear all things cosidering.I kept it because I was on the same programme. I've also got an absolutely deadful recording that I did at Adrian House in Liverpool in 1974 when I was at college. I'll send them both on & see if they are any use.
Say hello to your mum from us
Pat & Ken

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 01:17 PM

Thanks - will do!

Laura xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: GUEST,Richard Mellish
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 04:20 PM

Apologies for taking so long before joining this thread. I'm not a Mudcat regular (don't tell me: I know I should be) but Kitty told me this was going on, so I should have put my three ha'p'orth in sooner.

I have recordings from Reading University Folk Club in 1969 and from Herga in 1973, 1976 and 1978. These were all recorded on my Uher and should mostly be of fair or better quality, but I won't know until I play them. I also have one song copied from one of Edgar Ashton's recordings at Edinburgh University Folk Soc, date unknown, probably also around 1969.

I have recently treated myself to a decent 24-bit sound card and a Revox, so I should be able to transfer any or all of these recordings into digital format with negligible loss of quality from whatever quality the original tapes can offer.

Long term I intend to digitise ALL my recordings, if I'm spared, but I make no promise as to how much I can deal with how soon, and I've also promised to digitise my miscellaneous recordings from the Goat in St Albans, for the Tony Barratt project. Therefore please let me know if there's any of the following recordings of Tony Rose that you particularly want or definitely don't want. (Some of these may be better known by alternative titles, but they should be recognisable.)

The Deserter from Kent
Six Months Hard Labour
Matt Highland
Five Foot Flirt
Blackwater Side
Compliments Returned
Oh Sir Oh, No Sir No
Baron of Brakley
Tavistock Goosey Fair
Widdiecombe Fair
Pleasant & Delightful
German Musicianer
Fatal Curse of Drink
Silbury Hill
Yarmouth Town
Plains of Waterloo
The Parson & the Clerk
Thirty Foot Trailer
The Piddletrenthide Jug Band
Just As the Tide was Flowing
George Collins
The Pensioner's Lament
The Bay of Biscay
The Bonny Hind
Drover's Dream
Let Her Go, Farewell She
The Grand Conversation on Napoleon
Limbo
The Jolly Bold Robber
Hymn by Betjeman
I Live Not Where I Live
Sheath & Knife
'Twas on One April Morning
Tarry Trousers
Banks of Green Willow
Composite Wassail song
Lord Randall
Nobby Hall
Bold Archer
New York Trader
Broomfield Wager
The Baker of Coalman (?)
Fare Thee Well, My Dearest Dear
January Man
Shepherd of the Downs
Polly Vaughn
The Mallard
Streams of Lovely Nancy

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Ralphie
Date: 28 Mar 04 - 05:46 PM

Richard...Hi!

Sounds an amazing haul!
I'll contact Laura and tell her to look at the list.
If you used a Uher, It should all be pretty good stuff.....
Omigod.....I feel a boxed set coming on. Maybe we can get Topic to finance it? Well, They've done it for the Watersons!

Regards Ralphie

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: GUEST,*Laura*
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:14 PM

Hi - wow oh wow oh wow! hee hee! That's amazing! I don't know where to start or end! Any ideas anyone? Any favourites? Wow - I'm all overcome!
Laura xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 12:31 PM

Hi everyone - npot quite sure why i came up as a guest - but it is me! xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 07 Apr 04 - 01:42 PM

Hi - i've looked through the list a bit more. My own personal favourite is The January Man, and Polly Vaughn. but i really don't know which to pick. maybe you could send a random selection! or does anyone else have any particular favourites?

Hugs from Laura xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 10 Apr 04 - 03:58 PM

refresh. and thanks to all tape-senders. much appreciated! xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 03:45 PM

Hi, Meg's here now too, and we've had another look at this great list! I would like to hear certian songs and Meg would like to hear some of the ones that haven't ever been recorded! But we would like to send as much as possible off to see what is good enough quality to be used, and then pick our final selection from that. So we wondered how much of the list would you be able to let us have?

hugs from Laura x

p.s. Meg says 'Hi' to Ralphie and Pat and Ken, and thanks to everyone for all your help!!

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 03:32 PM

refresh - think we've squeazed all your tapes from you by now! but never mind.

Laura xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Little Robyn
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 05:35 PM

I have a cassette from Laycock FF in 1972 which I was going to dig out but I think Ralphie's list includes everything and more.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Little Robyn
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 05:37 PM

Sorry, I meant Richard's list.
Robyn

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 10 May 04 - 02:21 PM

refresh. Thanks so so much to everyone who's sent stuff - we've got a really good collection now! (but if you do find anything else.....) I think we're going to find out what can be used out of what we've got, and then make our selection from that!

Robyn - you could send it anyway if you like, Richard sent about half of that stuff so... you never know. Any it might be nice to have it from a different place - it's probably slightly different anyway, or at least with a different atmosphere. If it's not too much trouble o' course!

Thanks everyone

hugs from Laura xxx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 20 May 04 - 08:14 AM

refresh - just in case!

xx L xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Amos
Date: 20 May 04 - 02:01 PM

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 07:03 PM

Hello everyone -

heres an update - i think we've got everything we're going to get by now so we're going to find out what CAN be used from all our stuff - then make a short-list from that.

Thanks so much to all of you!
Hope you're all having good summers.
I am working at the CD's at Sidmouth so I'll probably see some of you then. (but may not know it)

Laura xx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Folkiedave
Date: 18 Jul 04 - 08:17 PM

If Topic don't do the retrospective I am sure Neil Wayne could be persuaded.......

Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Kevin Sheils
Date: 19 Jul 04 - 03:49 AM

Hope the project goes well Laura, see you all at the stall in Sidmouth.

Not long now.......

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 15 Aug 04 - 07:13 AM

Refresh.

and Thanks to everyone who gave me stuff at Sidmouth, or asked about it.

xLx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 02:54 AM

He used to do that one

In Thorneymoor wood in Nottinghamshire
right falerum wack folarity
Three houses stood at three square

sorry I've forgotten it, but he used to have this really smooth DADGAD style accompaniment - something like Martin Simpson has on Creeping Jane nowadays. quite unique at the time when most people played DADGAD, with a sort of deranged rumpety bump rhythm -
does anybody else remember, or is my memory playing tricks on me.

I first saw Tony when he was a very young teacher. I think he'd been at Lukes and he came back to the area and did a spot at the folk club in Exmouth, one night when The Journeymen were doing the gig. I think he was playing an old Levin and he did Tavistock Goosey Fair.

Then I saw him a few times round Exeter in the 70's when I started singing myself, and then at Cambridge. after that the trad /contemporary war hotted up and a Dylan/ McTell influenced singer like myself was pretty much persona non grata in the kind of clubs Tony got booked.

Tony was a wonderful singer, a fine good humoured man and a good accompanist. I wish you well with your project.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 07:02 AM

I think I know the songyu mean - but I can't remember it properly either!

Thanks

xLx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Crane Driver
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 11:14 AM

The song is normally called Thornymoor Woods, there was a thread on it last year giving several versions of the words, but I don't know how to do a clicky to a thread yet. Tony's version was called Thornaby Woods, and is on the tape I sent Laura earlier. Great version, though not being a guitarist I can't comment on the technique. It certainly fits the song brilliantly.

Andrew

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Aug 04 - 12:14 PM

I thought somebody would know about it, even though I couldn't see it in the list. I think at one time at least, he would have listed it as one of big achievements. A big song.

As I remember there is one version in AL Lloyd 's folksong in england, and it also featured in Folksongs of the midlands (Roy --------) sorry I've forgotten

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: GUEST,Vinyl-wizzard
Date: 26 Aug 04 - 04:09 PM

Laura,

I only just came across this thread, sadly I am probably too late to
contribute much to any compilation, except a few tracks from a Fylde club session (1983) left for me by a friend.

However, this note as well as being a "please tell me how its going"
is a plea for a copy of the only LP of Tony Rose that I do NOT have
"Young Hunting" I have copies of Banks of Green Willows, Greenwood tree, Poor Fellows, and Bandoggs, of course his one & only CD " Bones"

But Young Hunting eludes me. Anything appreciated, Analogue tape, digital tape (DAT) CD, in audio or MP3 format, anything to complete the sound colection, if not the black vinyl.

Thanks..

VW.

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 09:55 AM

Hi,

Firstly - you're not yet too late! If you have anything to contribute it is still greatly apprectaited - we are still listning through everything!

Unfortunately - the actual records are owned by Dave Bulmer (no immediate comment on this character... cough) so we can't release them as CD, however... I shall PM you...

xLx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: *Laura*
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 09:59 AM

Just realised I can't PM you as you're not a member. Well, we have an unofficial CD set of the records - cleaned up and put onto CD for us by a friend. So although we can't re-release them for sale on cd - I could probably do you a very unofficial copy if you like.

If you'd like an address to send stuff to I'll either pm you (if you are planning to become a member) or it was in a copy of Froots a few months ago.

cheers

xLx

Subject: RE: Tony Rose Project
From: English Jon
Date: 31 Aug 04 - 03:17 PM

I recently recorded a version of Bridgwater Fair - was feeling fairly pleased with it till the producer dug out his Tony Rose album and played me Tony singing, to the accompaniment of Dolly Collins. Absolutely stunning.

Jon