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Subject: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:12 PM We Will Miss Him Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common Sense. Common Sense lived a long life but died recently in the United States. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Sleepless Dad Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:16 PM I haven't this this one in quite awhile. But shouldn't this be in the "BS" section ? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:20 PM Not if someone writes a song about it.... And are you trying to tell me Common Sense is "BS"? Robin |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Amergin Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:23 PM it is in the us.... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Sleepless Dad Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:28 PM Hmmmmm..... An entire country is devoid of commen sense ? Would a viewpoint that that fall under the defination of bigotry ? Or could you possibly be transfering the political policies of some of the leaders on the entire population ? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Feb 04 - 07:40 PM I'm from Australia - with a few minor changes, it applies exactly to here as well.... Robin |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Allan C. Date: 07 Feb 04 - 08:47 PM Yes it was posted here before. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 07 Feb 04 - 09:02 PM S/he didn't die in the US. S/he was sent to Guantanimo and hasn't been heard from since. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 07 Feb 04 - 09:33 PM Have you noticed that when Common Sense was dying, Political Correctness was coming into it's own. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: DougR Date: 08 Feb 04 - 01:50 AM Hmm. Interesting observation Martin. DougR |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Walking Eagle Date: 08 Feb 04 - 07:31 AM I don't agree that Common Sense is dead. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Tam the Bam (Nutter) Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:20 AM I don't think it's dead, it's that most people don't use it anymore. Some people do and some don't. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Crane Driver Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:29 AM The trouble with common sense is that it has always been so rare .... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Alice Date: 08 Feb 04 - 10:59 AM Yes, common sense isn't very common. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 09 Feb 04 - 10:50 AM Oooh, I wish political correctness were dead. What a right bore all of that is> I agree the decline of common sense led the rise of Politcal correctness. BTW..the politically correct no longer call it political correctness(That has a VEY bad name), they call ot Political Consciopunes. But, shite in a milk bottle is still shite as my old da used to say. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Nerd Date: 09 Feb 04 - 11:41 AM Common Sense is alive and well and can be found here |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 10 Feb 04 - 12:33 AM Leveling the charge of "political correctness" against someone with whom one disagrees is a tactic used by people who are too lazy to come up with an argument (or a point even) that has any substance. It's a lazy-thinker's tactic. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 10 Feb 04 - 09:32 AM I disagree. Political correctness is a form of social, intellectual and cultural bullying that says I am right and you are a bigot. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 10 Feb 04 - 10:25 AM THANK YOU guest. I have felt the same for a long time but felt afraid to say so. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 10 Feb 04 - 11:03 AM Leveling the charge of political correctness against people is a form of social, intellectual and cultural bullying that says I am right and you are a whiner. And it's lazy thinking. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 11 Feb 04 - 07:12 AM Think about what you have just said Carol C, then figure out who the lazy thinker is. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 11 Feb 04 - 08:11 AM The lazy thinker is you, GUEST? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Little Hawk Date: 11 Feb 04 - 09:59 PM When you get people on both sides of a given issue simultaneously accusing each other of "political correctness" or "lack of common sense", that's when it really gets amusing. All the passionate statements made in this thread would make perfect sense under a given set of circumstances, but be facile under another set of circumstances. This is a worthwhile thing to keep in mind, rather than just sniping back and forth at people in emotional reaction/counter-reaction. It's best to fully understand where someone's point is coming from before before aggressively attacking it...and that requires actually listening to them for awhile! This, of course, is the last thing that is encouraged in a competitive social or political system...isn't it? I mean, hell, look at the election process! :-) Immaturity, accusation, and mean-minded hostility honed to a fine art, I'd call it. After it's all over, and the "winners" are declared, then they always blather on about "binding up the wounds"...wounds caused by the very system they insist on perpetuating in their search for power. A bunch of Democratic candidates are doing that to each other just lately in order to win primaries. Once they get it sorted out, then they and the Republicans will do it to each other for many more interminable months. It's ludicrous. In Canada, political campaigns last a maximum of 6 weeks. By law. That's a small step in the right direction, I think. You Americans have a political system that goes crazy for at least a whole year in order to change the principal actors (or not change them). I don't think that's wise or efficient use of time and energy. - LH |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 17 Feb 04 - 08:59 AM I think Carol has roven guests point about political corectness, carol is right guest is lazy(wrong) I do wish the defenders of political cness would reflect on how we got to pcness in the first place . |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Bobert Date: 17 Feb 04 - 09:29 AM Well, though I occasionally step into the deep end of the pool, I remember hearing some thing along the lines of "it's best to stop talking once you've said all you know." Not too sure how this dovetails into this thread but it sure contains some 24Carot common sense... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 17 Feb 04 - 01:18 PM I think Carol has roven guests point about political corectness, carol is right guest is lazy(wrong) Or maybe the Guest has proven my point, Guest of 17 Feb 04 - 08:59 AM. Are you saying that that kind of tactic is appropriate in one context, but inappropriate in another? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 17 Feb 04 - 02:09 PM No, I am saying that politcal correctness often frightens people into silence and I find that concept offensive. I do honestly think that the object of PCness to pretend that people are not really capable of though. There is a uniformity about it that reeks of older forms of intellectual bullying. The brand an entire school of thought as offensive of socially unacceptable simply because a certain group disagrees makes one hope fervently that these people never assume positions of power. Are we not free to think as we choose and not have to fear stating what we think. I believe there was another gues in this thread who expressed a fear of saying what he/she thought. Is that not a sad thing ? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST,leeneia Date: 17 Feb 04 - 03:20 PM There is a columnist in Parade magazine, Marilyn Vos Savant who writes about intellectual matters, mostly lightweight things like puzzles. However, she had a paragraph recently about common sense. She said that research shows that we learn to think early in life, mostly from our families. Some families instill logic and common sense, and some don't. She didn't give references for the research, but I think she is right. Occasionally I have dealt with people who just don't make sense, and I assumed they had a hidden agenda or were lying. Most likely, they just never learned to think clearly. Example: the driller who told my husband that he never puts his little boy in a car seat because "He just wouldn't stand for it." Hello? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 17 Feb 04 - 03:52 PM Carol C. Some other guests here did a fine job of saying what I could have said about political correctness and your position on it. Your arguement is quite lame. Political Correctness to me at this stage of my life, especially to those who preach it here in cyberspace allows me to use the Groucho Marx method as addressed to Margaret DuMont. Madam, you are quite fat. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 17 Feb 04 - 05:40 PM The US political system was formed in the days of stagecoach travel. In Australia - political campaigns have to be of a minimum length - to give voters time to ensure they are enrolled - and rarely run over 6 weeks and the Govt is in caretaker mode and unable - by tradition only - to make decisions that will change anything. The last 48 hours have a TV & Radio ban on political election content - and are thoroughly welcomed by the populace - the newspapers can still cover the subject. Robin |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 17 Feb 04 - 09:45 PM No, I am saying that politcal correctness often frightens people into silence and I find that concept offensive. See... now here, with the two little magic words: "political correctness", you have attempted to render a very complex set of issues and problems down to nothing but a label. No dialogue about those issues and problems is possible in such a circumstance. Like all labels, the term "political correctness" is meaningless by virtue of the fact that it means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. And the people who use that term, use it, not to promote intelligent discussion about these complex issues and problems but, rather to prevent discussion about these complex issues and problems. They use this label to shut people up. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 18 Feb 04 - 01:00 AM Martin Gibson, this thread is a pretty good illustration of what I'm talking about: NON IRRITATING JEWISH JOKES Now, there are a lot of people who would label the people on this thread who found some of the jokes offensive, "politically correct". I wouldn't, myself. I think there were some valid concerns raised. And yet, some people did tend to bludgeon others on the thread with their offendedness. I don't think they were necessarily wrong either. In situations like this one, there are often a lot of raw feelings just under the surface. And with good reason. It's a complex situation and not one that can be resolved by dismissing it as "political correctness". And yes, they would probably be resolved more effectively if people didn't bludgeon each other with their positions on the subject. But labeling people "politically correct" when they protest things like this in order to stifle discussion won't resolve the issue either. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 18 Feb 04 - 08:41 AM Political correctness is not the invention of any but those espouse it's rather dubious deals, one of which is to embarrass people into silence. We all have different views of what is offensive but most people do not need a pseudo ideology to determine what that is. My great concern about PC is that it scares ordinary people into silence. We do not need to be told of the compexness of the issues, we are aware of that. What we would like is the ability to discuss the issues without being labelled as bigots or right wing nutters. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Bobert Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:11 AM I would be curious, GUEST, to know what issues you are speaking of? From my perspective, it would seem that those folks who I consider to be right wing nutters or bigots are the same folks who have highjacked my governemnt and pound their messages 24/7 thru a media that they have in their hip pocket... Just the way I see it. And, I agree with CarolC in that "Political Correctnes" is a tool to limit discussion. And, again from my perpective, that tool is being used to quiet the progressive voice... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:27 AM I do not find the voice of the Politically correct to be progressive, I find it repressive, strident and mis informed as to what progressive means. It reeks of superority and I am correct and you are not attitudes. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:28 AM What we would like is the ability to discuss the issues without being labelled as bigots or right wing nutters. Well how in the world are you going to do that if you've already shut the other side up by saying they're just being "politically correct". Remember, the term "politically correct" wasn't coined by the ones who are being accused of it. Seems to me, it's all about whose ox is being gored. If YOUR group is the one that is being treated unfairly or insulted, you're probably going to think the people doing it are bigots. But if it's a group you would like to treat in that way yourself, you might feel tempted to call anyone who is offended by that, "politically correct". At least that's the way I see the term being used. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:34 AM The great danger of the politically correct is that they assume that all words and actions have only one meaning..and that they will decide what the meaning is. No one wishes to shut up the politically correct, I think people would prefer to have open dialogue on many complex issues. The fact that there REALLY are people who are afraid to speak is very disturbing. And oh yes, You are making some astounding assumptions... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:39 AM When you ASSUME, you make an ASS of U & ME ...... |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:51 AM The fact that there REALLY are people who are afraid to speak is very disturbing. There are people who are afraid to speak for fear of being labled "politically correct" as well. But I'll tell you what is even more disturbing. It's when someone is being treated like a second class citizen or as if they were subhuman, and when they try to speak up about it, people say things like "you just don't have any sense of humor" or "you're just being politically correct". People become afraid to speak when that happens as well. ...and these aren't assumptions. I've seen it happen many times. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: Bobert Date: 18 Feb 04 - 07:01 PM "Right Wing"........ Politically Incorrect "Fascist"........... Politically Incorrect "Reactionary"....... Politically Incorrect "Tax and Spend Liberals"..... Politically Correct "Bleeding Heart Liberals".... Politically Correct Hmmmmmmmm? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:16 PM Carol C. I absolutely just love to offend those who are politically correct. Sorry, I won't waste my time reading your Jewish jokes. Not because I either will or won't find them offensive. I already got you pegged just for bringing that into the discussion. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:19 PM Oh dear, has the penny dropped, Bobert? |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:43 PM My Jewish jokes, Martin Gibson? It may interest you to know that I was one of the people on that thread who objected to the jokes. You might want to read that thread just so you don't make yourself look any more foolish than you already do. |
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Subject: RE: Obit: We Will Miss Him. From: CarolC Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:51 PM BTW, the reason that thread is a good example is because it happened here, and it contains all of the complexity of feeling and opinion that such issues ellicit for people of all races, sexes, ethnic groups, and religions when they find themselves in such a situation. |
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