Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Tattie Bogle Date: 11 Mar 04 - 08:13 PM Adam McNaughtan was "singer in residence" at the recent "Singers' Gathering" at Howden, Livingston, and gave a couple of very interesting talks interspersed with plenty of songs and a lot of historical stuff about glasgow. We have him booked for Balerno at the Bowling Club in June, and people are still talking about his last appearance in Balerno a couple of years ago! TB |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 08 Mar 04 - 09:12 PM i love matt mc ginns 'coorie doon'.... i definatly will check the site out... thanks frank... and Edinaden, tell that NZ 83 year old he's to order the champange... we might no' marry , but we can have a wee donner roon the dance floor. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Frank T Date: 08 Mar 04 - 03:40 PM Edna, have you had a look at the Matt McGinn website ?www.mattmcginn.info They have the lyrics of a number of his songs online, with more to come I would imagine. I think you have a wonderful voice and would love to hear you sing Matt's " Depth of My Ego ", "Troubled Waters", "Little Ticks of Time", "Janetta," or hey, one of the really Glaswegian ones like the Gallowgate Calypso. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: John-S Date: 06 Mar 04 - 05:01 PM Susanne, Try here He performs with Stramash. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Susanne (skw) Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:33 PM Adam McNaughtan gave up the shop in Parnie St some years back and is now 'selling from home'. Trouble is, I've no idea where his home is! Also, he told me he was on the internet, but I can't find anything via Google. Maybe he just has an eMail address. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,EdinaDen Date: 05 Mar 04 - 09:38 AM Hi Eddie, A dear weegie friend, with whom I attended your performance in the RCH in Glasgow recently, told me about your messages on here and I just wanted to say Thank Goad you found Rab, and for your voice and expressive style and happy, down to earth personality. Brought the tears tae the een. After your own experience when young, you can now make sure that today's kids really KNOW about their Bard and that he's FOR THEM. Sent a copy of your Burns CD to a 83 year old friend of Scots roots in NZ recently. I think he wants to marry you. Is that ok? :-) EdinaDen |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Scabby Douglas Date: 04 Mar 04 - 08:19 PM I don't think Adam's shop is there any more - well the shop's there, but I don't think it's Adam's.... |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Malcolm Douglas Date: 04 Mar 04 - 06:48 PM Stephen Mulrine's poem was posted here a few years ago, at The Coming of the Wee Malkies Burns called his song Song, composed in August. Since people started calling it Westlin Winds, it hasn't half been misheard by folk... |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: michaelr Date: 04 Mar 04 - 06:44 PM Typo Alert, Tim -- it's "Now Westlin' Winds". Cheers, Michael |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: akenaton Date: 04 Mar 04 - 05:42 PM This thread started as a request for Glasgow songs,and finished as the Eddi Reader fan club...OAP's branch. If you want Glasgow songs, go to the wee bookshop in Parnie Street and talk to big Adam McNaughtan ...Hes the best writer of Glasgow songs that i know On his CD "Words", which contains "Oor Hamlet", is a poem called "The wee malkies", one of my favourites, with the real flavour of a 50's Glasgow childhood.....Chilling stuff. "The Glasgow I used to know " is the definitive Glasgow song , full of warmth and sentiment.....(Just like Edna)....Ake |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Big Tim Date: 04 Mar 04 - 04:40 PM Is "Whistling Winds" a Burns song? I know "Raving Winds", recorded by Bobby (great Burns singer) Eaglesham. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,noddy Date: 04 Mar 04 - 06:47 AM Isaw Dick Gaughan last night Brilliant especialy his rendition of "whislin Winds" He cetainly does it justice. I am up in Scotland this weekend and going to the Milnathort Festival at the weekend. Never know might go and see Gaughan again. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Boab Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:13 PM Hi again, Edna! The folk club at Irvine is still going strong. I was there the first session of 2004 courtesy of a delay in my flight home due to document problems. Michael Marra was the guest that night. Talented writer and performer of comic songs, from Dundee, I believe. You will be aware [I think?] that for a decade at least, the club was in the Redburn Hotel. It has moved "digs" again to the Golf Hotel on Kilwinning road. This is a more central venue. I see I made another "name blunder". Of course I do mean Eleanor Shaw. And hi, Weerover--as Edna says this is a wonderful place to be! I too won the Argo trophy--somewhere in the 1980s---singing "Bogie's Bonie Belle". Lost it the year following singing "the Laird o' Cockpen" to Charlie of the Dublin Buskers. Charlie, a great guy, passed away a few years back. I have one of his bodhran tippers, which I cherish in memory of an old friend. [Reviewing!---I didn't sing it to Charlie---I lost the trophy to Charlie!] |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 03 Mar 04 - 08:16 PM hi john ... I understand he had to raise the printing funds by subscriptions but he had done that successfully before... particularly with the kilmarnock first book... I know that the Edinburgh book sold well but Burns couldnt get the profit money off the printer.. currie..i think his name was..without a bit of a struggle. But still, it was a lucrative exercise for him... he made 5OO pounds from the first book... and more from the second.. at a time when the best he could expect from farming would be around 15 pounds a YEAR, and that was the year he tried the more successful flax crop. Of course the Excise job meant more money per year and a good pension for jean on his death... but still .. to turn his back on trying to gather subscriptions for what already prooved to be something that 'saved' him, and reaffirmed his destiny as the west of scotland Bard. I just dont understand it.. and I wonder if there are any writings that I have missed that may explain it to me. There is letters rejecting money from Thompson...Burns feeling the acceptance of which would demean the muse or something like that... A little bit like joe strummer maybe... Maybe its something he decided was not to be turned into 'business'.. I get that... and it makes me admire him more... but all those kids.. all that family to support... Its strange to me that he wouldnt continue.. Auld lang syne... yea I heard he collected it.. and others... but thank God he saved it from obscurity eh? |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Dita Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:29 PM Edna, The reason Burns didn't publish more in his lifetime would, I imagine, be the cost. While people enjoyed his poems, they didn't buy them. Printing not being cheap, the cost of producing a book was raised by subscription. From 1787 to his death his energies went into James Johnson's "Scots Musical Museum", where he could get the songs he collected, and those he wrote, published at someone else's expense. By the way, Burns claims in a letter to George Thomson that he collected "Auld Lang Syne", from "an old man's singing." Kilmarnock folk club is still going strong in the hands of Maggie Macrae. (She also is a driving force behind Girvan Filk Festival). Irvine was still on the go a few years ago, but i'm not sure about now. Sorry about missremembering the name, "Somesymers" must have kicked in, either that or I called you by the wrong name for a couple of years, and you were to polite to corret me. Though that dosn't seem likely. Glad Boab gave out the second letter of your name as being "a" as that rules out Senga. Cheers, John McCreadie |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: weerover Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:59 PM Irvine used to have a decent festival (Marymass) in August. In the 1970s I won the Arthur Argo Cup there for traditional singing, engraved as it was with the names of the likes of Dick Gaughan and the aforesaid Mary Stewart. To my eternal shame the trophy wasn't there to present to the following year's winner on the day as I was skint and had no transport until the day after. wr |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:08 PM I must try some of those fish suppers in lockerbie... Boab .. is the Irvine folk club still going.. I know stan robertson passed away... and what about the kilmarnock club? It was ELENOR SHAW who brought me to the Irvine folk club that fateful night in my late teens.... wednesday I think... I remember being scared out of my mind to go up to the bar in case someone threw me oot... being just 17... I think I ordered pomaine... ha ha |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Van Date: 03 Mar 04 - 05:52 AM Boab good fish suppers but the best white pudding suppers are to be had in Lockerbie or Hawick. I wholly support your curse on bypasse of thes wee border towns. They are gems and it's a shame people miss them. Still they are there for us to enjoy. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Boab Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:24 AM Aye, Edna--your mention of the Liberace visit brings to mind a tale from the late great Chic Murray, who arrived at the hotel door in the wee sma' 'oors just like Liberace. He says 'This trig wee lassie opened the door, and I says 'can I stay here for the night?' an, she says 'Stay there if ye want!'--an' shut the door in ma face"!! By the way, Edna, there used to be a lassie who lived in Irvine [or Dreghorn?] by the name of Mary Stewart [her Ma used to play fiddle with the Scottish Fiddle Orchestra] , and Mary specialised in Glasgow street songs, mainly of the humorous variety. She married and went to S.E.England to live. Maybe you could get in touch with her thro' Irvine Flok club connections. How about Alison Shaw?--She might know something. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:34 AM hiya boab.... this is a great place huh? I havent been in to the Irvine place yet... but I was aware of EAP being taught in Irvine... John said that the massive Irvine acadamy dome on the roof inspired the place he writes about in THE PIT AND THE PENDULUM.. I have been gob-smacked at the Irvine that has been revealed to me through my rummaging.... Did you hear the story of LIBERACE turning up at the Kings pub in the high st at 3am? on the invite of the landlord sometime in the late fifties? It blows my mind that this wee toon was a bigger port than glasgow in its heyday. xx |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Boab Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:43 AM Oooooooh Edna!----I realised I'd made a boo-boo right efter I hit the button! I know that your name begins wi' an "S" [see---I gave ye a CAPITAL letter!]. Hope yer Ma disnae biff ma lug for mis-ca'-in' her wee lassie next time I'm over there! [and the saicint letter's an "a"---] And a wee word to "Guest Van"---I used to travel regularly frae Irvine tae Hexham Northumberland. Being a "fish an' chips connoseur"[sp?] I stopped without fail in Annan---the best fish and chips in the west [or sooth or north!]. A thoosan' curses oan the blackguard who proposed the Annan bypass! ***ps to Edna--have you ever visited the Burns museum in Irvine High Street? If you can catch the caretaker at home, he will be pleased to welcome you. I had the first Kilmarnock edition in my two hands in there. And you'll find an unlikely author sharing the building with Rabbie--Edgar Allan Poe, who attended school for a time in Irvine. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 01 Mar 04 - 10:02 AM hey... anybody any clue why burns didnt publish a third book of poetry and to hang with being an excise man.... nobody i've asked knows.... and hello to montana.... Did anyone see alison kruasse at the oscars singing a song called 'you will be my ain love'.... so proud of our language... it made me sigh.. lovely....it was x ps... i aint no edina boab... or edwena... no my first name begins wi an 's'... |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Van Date: 28 Feb 04 - 02:32 PM Edna Many a happy hour I've spent in the Globe. As a "doonhamer" it's still a town I enjoy returning to. As a child I had friends who lived at the end of the road Burns lived in and when I was wee I thought somehow he was still there. As I grew older I realised it was just John Cairney I had seen on the telly making his way from the Globe to his home past my friends'house. Still it was a nice thought. When I lived in Annan I bought my fish suppers in the building where Burns wrote The Deil's Awa Wi The Exciseman. How's that for tradition - (being one myself and loving it as much as Burns did). |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Hillheader Date: 27 Feb 04 - 08:13 PM Guys The Banter (new parlance for for Glasgow patter) is wonderful. An American was trying to hitchhike to London but knew he had no chance from Glasgow city centre so hopped on a bus to the end of the M74 motorway (main route south). Glasgow Zoo was the stop he wanted. I swear I heard this conversation as the guy came upstairs on the bus. American: Can someone tell me where to get off for the zoo? Local Aye son. Jistgitaffitthestoapaffourady". (Just get off at the stop before me). I also heard the following conversation around Hallowe'en last year. A couple standing in front of me in the supermarket. She says "goangetapumkinfurraweanshalaeen" (Go and get a pumpkin for the childrens' hallowe'en) Exit him and on return "Rapumkinshelluvawee" (The pumpkin is rather small) She "Sowriurr" (You are correct) Davebhoy "That's a melon mate" (What a pair of feckwits) Also, our office has a notice about the Trade Union AGM. We are in Glasgow, the AGM in Edinburgh. It says "Buses will leave the office at 5pm. Anyone needing transport please write their name below". It's behind a glass panel. There is also the apochryphal tale of how Burns became our national poet. Apparently on a sojourn to a hostelry he wooed the landlord's daughter. On his return he was met with the greeting "Hoi. You're Bard!". You do not need take make anything up in Glasgow. Simply keep your eyes and ears open and comedy attack you. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: akenaton Date: 27 Feb 04 - 04:12 PM Edna ...I was interested to read of your adventures in The Globe Hotel. In real life Im a builder,and was doing a job for an old boy in Tighnabruiach. After I was finished we got talking about Burns. The old man took me into his living room and sat me down on an old chair. It had wee shortlegs and a long back. He asked me how it felt to be sitting in Rabbies' chair!! Apparently his late wife had been descended from Jean Armours family ,and had been left the chair in her grandmothers will. There was all the provenance to prove the authenticity,so it was the real thing. It was one of the best feelings I ever had to sit in that chair,Ill never forget it. If you ever get to sleep in that bed,try not tae get intae a stew!!! Aw ra best Ake... |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Boab Date: 27 Feb 04 - 03:35 AM Hey Edna---did ye see the Herald "Diary" for Friday? A hilarious anecdote about Matt McGinn. Seems he was fellow-guesting wi' Billy Connolly somewhere, and the "Big Yin" called off at the last minute. Matt was asked to convey the bad news to the audience. He did--- "As you all are aware, the star turn tonight needs nae introduction---the B----rd didnae turn up!" See youse Glesca folk--- |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: michaelr Date: 26 Feb 04 - 05:19 PM oops -- that should read "Old Advanced Forum Search", of course. I really must remember to use the Preview feature. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: michaelr Date: 26 Feb 04 - 05:17 PM Eddi, Eddi, Eddi! I'm so happy you've found your way into our little cat box... I've been a champion here of yours in the past. Been a fan for years -- songs like Kiteflyers, Wings on my Heels, Bell Book & Candle, Follow my Tears, Wolves, Simple Soul, Footsteps Fall, I felt a Soul, and The Girl who fell in love with the Moon are just sublime, and are among my all-time favorites. While I love the Burns stuff (that concert was brilliant!), I look forward to more contemporary songs from you. And please, please come play in California! We'll get you through January, or any other month. Oh, and to find your old posts here, just go to the Quick Links at the top right of the forum page, select Old Andanced Forum Search, and type "edna" into the box, and it will bring up every post you've made. Cheers, Michael |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:34 PM hey ... I got lost... I went to the forum.. and we had all disappeared... so I thought that was it bye.... then I had a brain breeze and typed in 'glasgow pub songs' into the search... sheesh.. when will this stuff ever get easy... thanks for the compliments... I have been spending some days doon in Dumfries where I met the AMAZING jane who runs the GLOBE INN .. which, if you dont know is Robert Burns hang out.... its all been preserved and I found his verses to POLLY STEWART scratched into the window of the room he kipped in when he was too steaming to go home... The bed is there and the same mattress... Jean says I can sleep a night in it if I go back and sing a couple of songs... she told me a great story of two wee wumin staring at the Naysmith etching of RB ... one says to the other: 'HO, Would you look at those eyes, wid ye no like him to casserole ye?" the other one says: "och! do you not mean CARRESS betty ...? CARRESSSSS!!!"' the first replys: 'NAW! Casserole... fur a guid two hours' |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Alice Date: 17 Feb 04 - 09:03 AM Hi, Edna, and Welcome to Mudcat. I feel a kindred spirit with you after reading your introduction. From a singer of Robert Burns songs way out in the Rocky Mountains.... Alice Flynn in Montana |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: weerover Date: 17 Feb 04 - 06:47 AM Can I belatedly throw in an extra plug for Ewan's book? I got it as soon as it came out and it is an ideal starter for anyone who wants to start to learn the style and context of a century or so of Glasgow songs. wr |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,noddy Date: 17 Feb 04 - 05:25 AM Edna I had been trying to get my wife interest in Burns for years. It was only when she heard you do Ae Fon Kiss that she started to pay heed. She has just about finished her second CD (first solo) and its on it. She sang it in recently in a hotel in Kilmahog as a guest of our friends Tarneybackle and brought a woman to tears. Such is the power of song. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Boab Date: 16 Feb 04 - 04:18 PM Dita--I think [though it's aye been "Edna"] that ye may have a "W" too many in the name. Edna will biff me if I'm wrong, but I believe the name is "Edina"--on a Sunday. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar Date: 16 Feb 04 - 02:36 PM Nope, partner, I don't know which movie. A Google search says that Way Out West was their only cowboy excursion, but haven't located it there. Maybe John Eaglesham was mistaken about it being Laurel and Hardy? |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Van Date: 16 Feb 04 - 01:44 PM Edna I have looked at my Burns books and none of them confirm my story. There is always a section in any collection of Burn's poems and songs that gives an explanation of when and ehre and why they were written. I believe that I got my explanation from one of my dad's books. I will yield to your version. Totally unrelated to the thread, but if we're having a chat why not throw it in, I have a book of Burns poems which includes the "Bawdy Ballads" and was given to some one as a Sunday School prize. My own edition of the "Bawdy Ballads" was bought in a dirty book shop in Soho and handed over in a brown paper bag. How's that for tradition. More power to your elbow. If you're ever back in Livingston look me up. I'm not a bad lad just occassionally misinformed. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,MC Fat Date: 16 Feb 04 - 09:17 AM This will be the third time I've tried to put a message on this post previous two got hung and the system crashed. Welcome Edna (Eddie) I think I started the post about your singing style re the Burns Concert. I can say in mitigation!!! that you were so obviously enjoying yourself and have a genuine love of Burns. Welcome agin and I think you'll find all sorts of support in this forum. By the way I think Ian Bruce is a fine exponent of the bard his Alloway Tales CD is my fave. Jim |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Scabby Douglas Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:06 AM Ermm... in yer book, did you not say (or quoted someone else as saying) it was "Way Out West"? Although "Trail of The Lonesome Pine" comes from that one... I'll ask The Sons Of The Desert.... |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Dita Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:02 AM Your right wr, Pigmeat it was, brain thinking meat, fingers typing foot. Just got my blues teminology mixed up, "Gimmie a pigfoot ....." That's also right, Dave's day job was/?is RSPB, and he was often their spokesperson when the BBC was lookong for a quote. Cheers, John. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,EWan McVicar Date: 16 Feb 04 - 07:08 AM Re Quin's Bar, I've seen the original handwritten lyrics for The Wee Room, including the extra original verses - written by the grandfather of Brendan McLaughlin who just recently relinquished his role as landlord of the Scotia Bar. His grandfather, Daniel McLaughlin, was the resident bard in Quin's. But lots of singers would rather not know who wrote the song - means I suppose it belongs to everyone. The tune is apparently sung as Down In The Forest on a Laurel & Hardy film - anyone know which one? |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Scabby Douglas Date: 16 Feb 04 - 06:46 AM Re Quins Bar Quin's in Sprinburn sat at the narrow corner (gushet) of Balgrayhill Road, and Springburn Road (as was). It was closed by the time I was old enough to go drinking (the mid 70's), but the premises were still in occasional use (as election premises for political parties, and so on) and I was able to go into the building several times. The main entrance was from Springburn Road, but there was a first floor entrance which led onto what had been an Off Sales and a snug bar of sorts coming in from Balgrayhill Road, which ran down at quite a steep gradient to the corner. The building is no longer there, and the layout of the roads has obliterated the site. There is still a Quin's Bar in Bishopbriggs, and I know that at one time they were owned by the same family - but to my shame I have never bothered to go and ask. Oh - and in Ewan's book, there are several more verses to the song... |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: weerover Date: 16 Feb 04 - 06:37 AM John, I'm sure it was Pigmeat, not Pigfoot, either forerunner or follow-up to the Kelvin Delta Blues Band, and saw Dave Dick several times years later on news broadcasts as a spokesman for the RSPB Scottish division. wr. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Dita Date: 16 Feb 04 - 05:23 AM I also remember edna (?Edwina) as a member of Pigfoot in the 70s. Diggery Venn -Isobel Glen, Billy Sherry and myself, often played the same West of Scotland folk clubs, doing floor spots at each others gigs. Last saw Dave Dick at Alistair Robertson's 50th. Dave was on great form, still a great bluesman. He still plays the scotish clus from time to time as part of a duo. He still has some Pigfoot tapes with edna, from way back when. Cheers, John McCreadie/Dita |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Strupag Date: 16 Feb 04 - 04:38 AM Hi Edna, I'm back at the hoose now and here's the words of "Doon in the Wee Room" "Now if yer tired and weary, feelin' sad and blue Don't let your cares upset ye 'al tell ye what tae do Just tak a cor tae Springburn go inta Quin's Pub there Go doon intae the wee room underneath the stair For it's doon in the wee room underneath the stair Everybody's happy everybody's there And they're all makin' merry each in his chair Doon in the wee room underneath the stair A king went a huntin' his fortunes for tae seek He lost his cor at Partick went missin' for a week Days and nights they hunted sorrow and despair They foun' him in the wee room underneath the stair Fur it's doon in the wee room underneath the stair Everybody's happy everybody's there And they're all makin' merry each in his chair Doon in the wee room underneath the stair Noo when am gettin' auld and ma bones begin tae set I'll never worry naw I'll never fret For I'm savin' up ma pennies tae buy a hurrly chair Tae tak me tae the wee room underneath the stair Fur it's doon in the wee room underneath the stair Everybody's happy everybody's there Adn they're all makin' merry each in his chair Doon in the wee room underneath the stair." Does anyone know if Quins bar still exists? Andy |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Scabby Douglas Date: 16 Feb 04 - 04:22 AM So, Edna, when can we expect to hear you singin some of these "new" songs? I'll tell you who else has some great Glasgow songs (and some of them are in Ewan's book) - Ian Davison. You can hear some of them online at his own site, (Ian's Own Site ), and in person at the session in Uisge Beatha on Woodlands Road most Sunday evenings. Cheers Steven |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: Teresa Date: 16 Feb 04 - 01:46 AM Edna, welcome to Mudcat! I admire you for sticking up for yourself; go, girl! I've been curious about your music, and after reading this thread, I'm going to check it out. Take care, Teresa |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Boab Date: 16 Feb 04 - 01:14 AM Hey, Edna---I thocht I kenn't ye ! You surely have gone thro' a "Burns Immersion Course!" Maybe ye'll be the first wumman tae gi'e the "Immortal Memory". I'd really like to hear that! The wee devil's in me tonight, though---hey all Mudcatters!---see yon accordion Eddi used to "play" in "Cheatin' Heart"? ---It wis EMPTY!!! I'll arrive at yer Ma's place one o' these ne'erdays wi' the boax in tow. Great to see you on Mudcat, Edna; come here often! Boab |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 15 Feb 04 - 07:35 PM Van .. you have me intrigued... Is it perhaps a story of Burns being insulted that his good friend WILLIE got snubbed in some bar so Burns being Burns wanted to make his mate feel better by writing those lines in consolation to him?? Is that what the root of that story is? Either way Burns loved his buddy and that song is a great example of his love for his male friends. MUDCATS I think we nearly have cobbled together a decent WHEN I LEAVE AULD GLESGA BEHIND. DAVEBHOY my maw nearly 'piaffed' hersel when she read your edith story xx |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: edna Date: 15 Feb 04 - 07:00 PM hey guest VAN.... where did you get THAT story.??... I think you are confused....and I rise to Roberts defence... William Stewart was a factor at Closeburn estate Dumfries who helped Burns out for many years, PARTICULARY, prior to his move to Ellisland where he was building a home for himself and Jean, and Stewart helped him over that move. Burns and Stewart were the greatest of buddies... In fact for enjoying evenings of bawdy song Burns had no closer ally than the loyal and kind Stewart. Part of this song 'willie stewart' written in dedication to his admiration of his freind was enscribed on a glass tumbler and is in veiw today. I find it unbelievable that Burns would have been able to write such a lyric for his friend and have any HINT of maliciousness in it. As an aside the second, slower half of my rendition of Willie was, in fact, verses written in dedication to Willies adolescent daughter POLLY. In those verses Burns wishes Polly to find a future husband who has the wisdom to know the joy of who he holds in his arms. Unfortunatly for Polly her future was to be the complete opposite of that. I have an Idea that you may be mixing that song up with Burns FIRST EVER work of 'poesy'. He was 14 and falling for the teenage girl he was doing the harvest with. The girl was either NELLIE KILPATRICK or more likely to be NELLIE BLAIR. Burns told us the story that he was falling for her and one day she produced a song written to her by a local squires son. In his private jealousy he thought he could do better. He went home and wrote 'HANDSOME NELL'. But maybe you've been talking to someone who knows better than I. I would love to read that version. It contradicts everything I have ever read. xx |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: GUEST,Ewan McVicar Date: 15 Feb 04 - 04:37 PM Martin Thanks for that. Also look out for Hamish Imlach's autobiography Cod Liver Oil, with many fine tales of wild times in Dublin. |
Subject: RE: glasgow or scottish pub songs From: MartinRyan Date: 15 Feb 04 - 04:10 PM EwanMcVicar Coincidentally, I picked up a copy of your book in a secondhand bookshop in Dublin yesterday! Enjoying it very much so far. Regards |
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