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Subject: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:07 AM

I'd heard KR was employing a full-time publicist. But isn't spreading it across 4 Mudcat threads going just a teensy bit too far?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:18 AM

After putting this thread up you must have the job Countess.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:20 AM

'Twas my point exactly ;-)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,davy
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:21 AM

Yup, no publicity's bad! The fan club seems to have gone into overdrive! Personally it puts me off!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:26 AM

And that was my secondary point. Anybody with a didgytelly and time to sit in front of it will no doubt do so anyway.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:30 AM

Tape it for me will you Dave? I live in a hole and can't get BBC 4.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:32 AM

Cancel that Dave. I thought you were talking about Kate Bush.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:36 AM

Ooooooh! Katy Cruel...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Phot
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:46 AM

I'd rather see Kate Bush than Kate Rusby anyday!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Sledge
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:49 AM

Someone gets a bit of success and out come the nitpickers.

Sledge


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Hopeful
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:50 AM

I would rather see them both together.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 08:54 AM

You perv! Katie Boyle anyone?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Hopeful
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 09:05 AM

All three if you wish, who's counting.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Katie Boyle
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 09:10 AM

Game on! I am up for it if you can arrange Mr Hopeful.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 09:23 AM

I bet this encounter will only appear on BBC 4 as well. Bugger!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 09:30 AM

I see from another thread that this is going to involve shirt-hopping with an all-male band...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: artbrooks
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:23 AM

Would be nice if we could see her in the States...ever.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Davy
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:29 AM

Interesting how K.R.seems to generate extremes of feeling in people!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Davy
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:31 AM

Martin Carthy doesn't seem to cause that effect!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:38 AM

artbrooks: KR went to the US once but didn't like the flying bit.

I could get very extreme about MC...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM

Who's Kate Busby? Does she wear a big hat...

:D


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Buffy the pigeon slayer
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:44 AM

MC who? MC Hammer?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:45 AM

countess you must be a very very busy person judging by the amount
initials you use instead of names.
Having met Martin Carthy a couple of times I will not hear a word against him.
eric


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:49 AM

but anyway I thought I'd logged on to a Kate Rusby website.
eric


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Ned ludd
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:56 AM

Think you have eric


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 10:57 AM

Now, Kate Rusby, Kate Bush, Katie Boyle and Kate Moss....


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 11:03 AM

Kate had a Boyle on her Bush when she Rus-by and slipped on the Moss


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 11:06 AM

Could someone set up a Katie Boyle thread for me please? I can't remember how to do it, and I am sure their be a lot interest out there for this fine woman. Spam, marmite and oxo. Divine.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 11:07 AM

Strikes me that the Kate in Taming of the Shrew, may be more fitting here!
John


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 11:08 AM

Not too busy, unfortunately, to stop me spending far too much time online, eric.

Mr Carthy is *extremely* good. So's MC Hammer. Dunno about MC Fat though...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Cluin
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 11:27 AM

"Kiss me Kate!"

Where's your Kate, then? Is that like a "Mary"?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Van
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 01:17 PM

Fair does to the girl. "underneath the stars" is divine. I don't know any of her other songs but for this alone the lass deserves sainthood.


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Subject: How many Kate Rusby Threads?
From: fiddler
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 03:50 PM

At the risk of promulgating yet another thread about this young thing how many do we think we can support b4 we see mudcat remaned the Kate Rusby-Mudcat Cafe!

Sorry John Mc
I moved this message here from another thread on the same topic.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Feb 04 - 07:51 PM

Sometime today, somebody posted messages about the Kate Rusby television performance on 20 February, more-or-less the same message on each of several threads. After that, two threads were started to complain about the multiple Rusby threads. I moved all the television notices into one thread, and all the complaints into this one.
I'm sure that Kate appreciates all the enthusiasm, but in general, we allow only one thread per subject to be running at a time.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 04:49 AM

Someone exhibiting signs of common sense Joe, on the Mudcat, this won't do at all.
eric


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 08:11 AM

But ain't it great to see all this radio and TV exposure, and of course Mudcat Threads, for a genuinely nice, talented and modest lass. Makes a nice change from listening to pillocks like Gareth Effing Gates/Robbie Head-Up-His-Own-Rectum Williams/Christina Words-Fail-Me Aguilera/Beyonce (what kinda stoopid made-up name's that?) Knowles et al. IMHO. :0)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 10:08 AM

Got to agree 100% there mate. I'm not particularly a Kate Rusby fan
but she's got more tallent than all that lot put together.
eric


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 10:15 AM

Wasn't all this fuss when June Tabor was on Woman's Hour last week!
John


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,davy
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 10:51 AM

Exactly John there's a whole lot more talent out there that isn't being recognised. Nothing against her, but some of the pluggers are beginning to irritate!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 10:59 AM

Was June Tabor on then? I wish somebody had said...
I heard the Witches of Elswick on there by chance a few weeks ago. In fact, Woman's Hour on BBC R4 is by far the best place to hear English traditional music. A whole lot more likely than on the MH show anyway...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 11:47 AM

Well, if Kate's the Princess of Folk, June must be the Queen! What a voice, and still doing the rounds of live concerts - magnificent! But when she were a lass, she got similar attention to what Kate's getting now didn't she? Lots of media attention. Just proves there's nowt wrong wi' a bit of popularity?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 12:20 PM

I had wondered what all the fuss was about, since I hadn't heard Kate Rusby and knew nothing about her. I picked up a couple of her CD's last week, and I really loved them. She has a beautiful voice, and she interprets the songs wonderfully.

How old is she, anyhow?

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 12:23 PM

Mid 20's. Do she not have her own website? never looked myself


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bobjack
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 12:24 PM

Now, back to my Katy Boyle thread where the real action is!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 12:26 PM

katerusby.com
lyrics to her songs are there as well.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Rain Dog
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 12:36 PM

I would also recommend the cd 'Kate Rusby & Kathryn Roberts' by Kate Rusby and Kathryn Roberts

Well worth a listen


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 01:03 PM

Strollin' Johnny,

No, quite the opposite, if I recall. When exactly are you talking about? From the mid 60s after uni to the mid 70s, June Tabor had a full-time job as a librarian. Then she made her debut solo recording Airs and Graces and then Silly Sisters with Maddy Prior in 1976. Till then, certainly, she'd had a cult following among those in the know but she did only occasional club bookings.

After that she ran a restaurant in the Lake District. I'd say she's always been grossly underrated simply because she chose not to devote herself to a full-time musical career and the attendant constant touring. I'm so glad she's at last getting some of the recognition she deserves.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Nerd
Date: 17 Feb 04 - 02:00 PM

I wasn't aware that Kate Rusby rarely came to the US. A few years ago, I wrote some concert notes and was MC (note: not Martin Carthy or MC Hammer, but Master of Ceremonies) at one of her US gigs. I just assumed she toured here with the same frequency as MC (note: Martin Carthy this time).

Just goes to show I'm too busy to pay much attention these days. (But not too busy to f*ck around making MC jokes!)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Compton
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 12:33 PM

Guest, Rain Dog....don't you think that's an awfully original title for a CD "Kate Rusby and Kathryn Richards"....what was the deep significance in that title? ..apart from the fact it was made by Kate Rusby and Kathryn Richards...Is this a contender for original title of the year?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 01:54 PM

It would be truly original if Kate Rusby had made a CD with Kathryn Richards. Don't think she knows anyone of this name. I don't, anyway. However, can I recommend one she *did* make with Kathryn Roberts?

Oh...Raindog already did...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 04:59 PM

Interesting to compare the singing of Kate and Kathryn,I think Kathryn streets ahead in quality and feeling.
On my favourite track "Ned on the hill",we hear Kathryns fine voice over Kates wobbly harmony.
Whats all the hype about Kate??   Is this what Folk music is reduced to?....Ake


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Compton
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 06:40 PM

Ah, your highness,They say the eyes are the first thing to go...Roberts it was..."Kate Rusby and Kathryn Roberts"..the title doesn't sound half as good as "Kate Rusby and Kathryn Richards". Was there ever a record "Martin Carthy with Dave Swarbrick" that had Martin Carthy and Dave Swarbrick"?. I think there was!!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 18 Feb 04 - 07:56 PM

I think there was too, Compton. And there was one called 'No Songs' but that didn't mean...oh never mind!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Sledge
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 01:18 AM

Akenaton writes - Whats all the hype about Kate??   Is this what Folk music is reduced to?....Ake

What are you on about, is an artist not allowed to achieve some sort of success if they don't meet your personal criteria for folkiness. Hype, just what hype is that, one performance on BBC4, A couple of threads on Mudcat or that She has been to the USA, hardly over exposure. Moan moan moan moan moan.

I have been to many Kate Rusby gigs and they have all been very well attended, afterwards lots of happy people of all types leaving with a smile on their faces.

Sledge


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 01:57 AM

Saw her a couple of years ago while visiting good friends in Barrhead. KR was part of a great live show (being taped & broadcast on BBC radio) including Dougie MacLean and Capercaillie on the Renfrew Ferry in Glasgow. Great time. Great venue.

Friends knew I was a big Dougie fan so they got tickets ahead of time. Of course, I enjoyed the whole show. I flew back to Canada next day (after a 3 week visit). Yes, I needed a plane to get home...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:01 AM

So its dreadful that there isn't enough folk coverage on the media. Its dreadful when an individual gets coverage.

Why don't you miserable gits just stick to your boring little sessions where only your three mates ever turn up.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,bouzouki
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:33 AM

No one in the folk world has that many mates.I hear there is a Ł57 entrance charge to sessions nowadays, so the attendance is really gunna fall off.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:47 AM

Countess Richard - I distinctly remember (and I'm well old enough to!) that June received regular coverage in the 'Melody-Maker' during the Folk revival of the late 60s/early-to-mid '70s. It was through that very organ that I first heard of her and Maddy, (and lots of others -Martyn, Renbourn, Carthy, Steeleye, Fairport etc. etc. ad infinitum), and it's from there that my love of Folk was born. The level of exposure may not have been quite up to that currently being given to Kate - the range of media outlets was, of course, far more restricted in those days, no BSkyB, far fewer terrestrial channels etc. - but for that time she was given a fair amount of coverage, especially by the music press (the 'Pop' music press to boot!). Perhaps the notion that she was only a 'Cult' figure was spawned by those who hate 'Success' and who want to jealously keep an artiste almost as a private and personal 'Possession'?
Johnny
:0)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 08:17 AM

On 17 January at 1.03 I wrote of June Tabor:

"I'm so glad she's at last getting some of the recognition she deserves".

I don't think the amount of coverage she got way back then was "fair" at all. That's why I spent quite a lot of time writing about her work myself. The fact remains she would have received considerably more publicity had she turned professional very much earlier.   Her life choice after all. No-one locked her up.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:29 PM

countess...Im glad to see that we share a great admiration for Junes' work.Iv been a fan since I saw her as a young girl .It was only a small venue, but most of the Folk audiance were in tears.
The difference between Kate and June, is that June lives in our music.
One only has to see her flashing eyes to know that she feels every word.
Kate on the other hand appears to be a manufactured singer ,her little girlie voice meant to appeal to the "young team".I know she has a lot to learn ,but theres something about her presentation which says "this is not from the heart".....Ake


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:16 PM

akenaton,

That is a disgraceful thing to say, and only proves that you haven't the slightest idea about Kate.

Learn a bit more about her before resorting to your idiotic prejudice.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:31 PM

Ake,

Oh yes, I have admired June totally for the past 35 years. However, in fairness to Kate I have to say that she's no 'manufactured' singer. Though her voice is not exactly to my taste, I do know that she has lived and breathed traditional music since she was a small child. Her family have long been involved in the running of festivals and nowadays run the promotion and recording side of her career.

Faced with a choice of gigs to go to, clearly I woulf choose June. However, when I met Kate I found her an extremely nice and genuine person and seriously good guitarist. It's all really a matter of personal taste.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:58 PM

Guest...I have no doubt that Kate is a lovely girl,both in appearance and also it seems,in spirit. However, Iv been involved in Folk Music for more years than I care to remember,and I have always felt that there is something really unique in our music. It provides a vehicle to transmit emotion among people,something that is sadly lacking in our society. The real "greats" like June, Linda Thompson, Eliza Carthy,ect posess that ability in spadefulls. Kate does not communicate emotion well,perhaps that will come later.
At the moment she appears to be overrated.
I apologise if I have offended you or anyone else on the thread,but this music is an important part of my life and I must write as I feel
    Best wishes Ake


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 07:30 PM

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Umm I just stumbled across this thread and this is really only ancedotal evidence here from my guitarist and a few young friends from Sidmouth...

Firstly, I listen to Kate Rusby, I sing songs from her albums and I do enjoy her performances- I think its great that somebody is getting media coverage and drawing attention to folk and the more people that happens to the better but as far as Kate Rusby being nice...

well my guitarist was support band for her a couple of years ago - she wouldn't use their PA, wouldnt allow them to use hers making a big fuss and a long changeover with gear halfway through and she was most discourteous to them with a very superior attitude which they were genuinley shocked at. She has also been quite curt with a few of the teenage sidmouth crowd. When they complimented her on the set and asked some trivial detail about I tune (a key it was in or a chord or something like that) they were told to F off (bearing in mind they were all 16 and under I felt this was a little harsh)

So yes, its good to get people interested in folk music by drawing in people that might not otherwise have got into it and encouraging younger performers too - but lets hope they keep their feet on the ground and dont give us younger folkies a reputation for bad behaviour nor set an example for others to follow.

Hope that didnt sound too much like a moan at Kate in particular as Im sure we all have our bad days and those instances might not have been the norm.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: CraigS
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 09:32 PM

My opinion of Kate Rusby? She reminds me of Matt Munro - every note in its place, every movement programmed, every gesture rehearsed, so that every audience gets the same "good show". I'm sure that is the explanation for the PA shenanigans described above, just as I'm sure she doesn't eat beans in case something spontaneous happens! There are some people who feel they have to work this way. and some who will push their abilities to the limit in public and chance dropping a clanger. I like watching the latter type of entertainment myself.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Flintlock
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 05:10 AM

Bill Jones is a much more talented individual!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 11:17 AM

You cannot be serious man!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 11:32 AM

Listen to Miss Rusby's "My young Man" from her CD "Little Lights" Have you ever heard a better song?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 01:01 PM

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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: John C.
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 02:51 PM

I saw Ms. Rusby on the telly a few months ago. Personally, I found her performance to be a bit bloodless - not much passion but a 'pretty', girly voice and a fancy backing group. I'm sure that this sort of thing has wide appeal but it's not really for me.
The thing that really got my goat, though, was an interview with Ms. Rusby during which she stated that as she couldn't read music she tended to make up the tunes to trad. words - what!!?? OK, so this might be alright occasionally but not as normal practice, surely? I happen to think that many of the tunes to our trad. songs are glorious and the words sung to a made up tune are a poor substitute. I can't read music either and I still find some tunes very difficult to learn - but I also believe that mastering them is something to aspire to.
Now I'm sure that someone will now accuse me of being a purist - well I am a purist and intensely proud of it! I don't like to see my beloved folk songs misinterpreted and diminished and am happy to say so - if you don't like it, sue me!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 18 Jan 05 - 04:29 PM

I have two Kate Rusby CDs and find her singing an absolute delight to listen to. The instrumentation is magnificent and the treatment of traditional songs first class and her own songs are inventive and very melodic.
I appreciate and enjoy good music when I hear it.
Kate Rusby is one of many fine young singers I listen to - one of the excellent new breed who are emerging.
Compare that to the hairy old male ``purists'' belting out unaccompanied songs like the Wild Rover with one hand on their ear .... makes you want to put a hand over each ear and throw up. Oh so predictable and oh so boring.
Changing a few notes and words here and there, adding or deleting a verse, or re-interpreting a song is all part of the folk process - or hasn't anyone told you that yet?
Kate and John do it brilliantly.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Flintlock
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 07:18 AM

Why shouldn't I be serious? I find Belinda superior to Ms. Rusby in every way!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 07:31 AM

I agree with you Flintlock. Kate does indeed seem "bloodless" to me (on t' telly, never saw her live - pronounce that as you like), though her recording are indeed excellent.

Bill Jones on the other hand is much more fun live, she draws you in; and a whizzo on the boxes; and MUCH more willing to experiment in her arrangements and material; more original; and I like her voice too, at least as much as Kate's. Perhaps not as good looking (though Anglo-Indian blood does give some interesting features), but that's not what I go to folk clubs for. AND she does not have queues of starry-eyed or dribbling fans trailing her.

I'd pay good money to see Belinda. I wouldn't pay the same money to see Kate.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 10:50 AM

Then you must have cloth ears! :0)
The accusation has been levelled at Kate of being too 'girlie' and 'pale-pink'. Not so, IMO, but multiply by a power of several and you have an accurate description of BJ. Pale-pink and twee in the extreme.
Sorry, just MNSHO! The beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as they say, so I guess we'll have to agree to differ.
S:0)


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 08:51 PM

This seems to have developed into a `My favourite singer is better than yours" discussion.
Who cares who is better than whom? I happen to think both KR and BJ are both very good .. along with a whole lot of others too. I listen to Folk ALley on the Net from the USA here in Oz and it has really opened my eyes in the past year as to some of the great new talent there is around.
These young singers are a breath of fresh air into the folk music arena.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:02 PM

agree there with you, nager. More power to them both!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:24 PM

me and the mrs quite like Kate Rusby Cds..
but from what i've seen live on TV,
i think some of her band musicians tend to be a bit too
overcomplicated in their musical performance and distracting at times.

I just wish PJ Harvey & band would do a full CD and live set of trad folk songs


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:24 PM

IMHO KR is one of a long list of female wishy washy singers beloved by the English Folk Scene. BJ at least has a bit of bite, singing and instrumentally. I wonder if KR was wee, fat and plooky, would she have such a following? Just for you English 'catters "Plooky" is Scots for "spotty".


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:43 PM

FYI Guest.... I have never seen KR apart from a photo on the CD I purchased AFTER I heard her sing on Folk Alley. Bit of a problem with the Poms have we?????


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:51 PM

To expand on the post above, when you are 17 and pretty, and people are working to your advantage, you do not stop to ask why you are on main stage at Cambridge Folkfest while good musicians are battling to get a spot in the club tent.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jan 05 - 09:57 PM

yeah.. there are'nt enough female singers
with rough dirty voices like Rod Stewart's anymore


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 06:40 AM

Nager, I have no problems with the Poms, as you call them. How do you know I'm not one of them?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 12:56 PM

I saw her once. It was enough. Didn't like her but couldn't fault her performance , just bland. But I don't like the idea of saying she has a girlie voice. Some girlie voices are quite naturally delightful but In my opinion Kates is imature.

I also have another reason to dislike her party machine but would prefer not to elaborate.

She may mellow in a couple of decades who knows.


Spot


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Maryrrf
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 01:06 PM

The current crop of whispery, "girly" voices are not to my taste. I much prefer a strong womans' voice such as Niamnh Parsons, Gordeanna McCulloch, Sheena Wellington - these are the ones who readily come to mind but there are others. Little girl voices do seem to be in fashion though - Cara Dillon, Karan Casey...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 05:40 PM

Sounds like a few of you are showing your age...how sad.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Maryrrf
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 06:18 PM

How is saying that you prefer a strong woman's voice "showing your age" and "sad". What is "sad" is that Mudcat isn't a place where you can have a civilized discussion anymore.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 20 Jan 05 - 10:32 PM

``Little girl voices do seem to be in fashion..'' bit demeaning don't you think to these talented young women.
They are not little girls and only someone with a lack of understanding of today's values ie some old fart showing his/her age would make such a statement.
Oh, and how are my comments deemed uncivilized compared to some of the nasty stuff written on threads here?
I bleieve my comments all relate to the subject and the apparent out of touch with modern day thinking shown by some people here.
If this is not valid in this discussion then I will bow out and leave you to carry on holding your own.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 02:28 AM

Nobody should feel that they have to bow out of a discussion on this, or any other, thread. The problem seems to be that some people find it difficult to disagree with an opinion, without making personal references to the sanity, legitimacy, or musical awareness of the person expressing that opinion.

I like Kate Rusby, and Bill Jones. I'm also a fan of Martin Carthy and June Tabor. I don't even object to listening to Robbie Williams, or Gareth Gates, 'tho they are a long way from being my first choice, as a folkie for the last forty years. OOPS, there I go, showing my age.

The one thing I don't do, EVER, is to tell anyone he is a fool because his taste in music differs from my own.

So to save all of you the time it will take to type your responses, YES, I'm a total prat with no musical taste, and a weak attitude to telling others what you think of their opinions.

Daft Innit?

Don T.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 09:06 AM

Nager..with age comes wisdom and experience. You will have some of both in time. Take it easy until then.

Spot


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Maryrrf
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 10:17 AM

Nager, it is sarastic attitudes and entirely gratuitous personal sneers such as yours that make Mudcat a nasty place. I wouldn't have thought that there was a problem in saying that certain types of voices "weren't to my taste". I've had enough - I think I'll gracefully "bow out" as there's no point to participating in this.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 10:46 AM

I'm sure Kate will be delighted this thread is running on and on - no such thing as bad publicity eh?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Flintlock
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:20 AM

Isn't Bill Jones wonderful?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: John C.
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 05:42 PM

Women singers don't have to be 'girly'. As an antidote to KR try Frankie Armstrong's CD 'Lovely on the Water' (Fellside FECD151) - now there is a woman who can sing! Ms Armstrong is not afraid of trad. tunes either - she goes for the subtlest and most beautiful tunes and handles them with great skill and artistry. To my mind, this is what folk singing is all about.
Oh yes, and this recording is a fine introduction to the much neglected and much maligned English tradition. And before anyone accuses me of chauvinism or something - not better than anyone elses tradition but wonderful all the same and worthy of respect and thoughtful interpretation.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:01 PM

I prefer Kate Rusby.
If Kate's voice is "girly" as so many of you say what is wrong with that?
She's a fine young singer - along with many others.
If expressing an opinion on what I deem to be an out of touch attitude by some of you in respect of new and young singers is regarded as sarcasm then so be it.
In the folk clubs and sessions I go to there is always a small group of people who seem to be wary of anything "new" and disparage it.
Even songs by Richard Thomson, Paul Brady and the like are rubbished.
I think it is called being stuck in a time warp.
What do you think of Eef Barzelay?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:14 PM

My only problem with K R is that since she appeared on the scene there are as string of young ladies who sound like K R Clones - this would seem to be the latest fashon in the Folk Industry !!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: nager
Date: 24 Jan 05 - 07:25 PM

Just like the Dylan clones in the 60s


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 07:11 AM

But Dylan was worth cloning!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 08:38 AM

No he wasn't. He can't sing.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,davetnova
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 10:32 AM

I just realised that my liking for pure young female voices, Kate, Bill, Eliza etc has increased with age. Am I alone in this


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 11:42 AM

OVER ONE HUNDRED POSTS FOR THIS LADY - DEFINITELY OVERKILL!!!!!!!!!!

Let's 'ear it also fo' Kath Roberts, n' Sharon Fountain - now there's REIGHT talent in South Yorkshire for y'


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: shepherdlass
Date: 25 Jan 05 - 06:41 PM

It does seem worrying that "girliness" is considered a negative quality. I presume some of you are complaining about whispery tones and so forth, but to call this "girly" comes across as just a tad misogynistic.

There are lots of men out there who similarly "breathe across the mic" as much as sing out (Jim Moray for instance), and it's surely a matter of personal taste - rather than gender - whether you like this kind of sound.

Strangely enough, I've heard the same accusations of a bloodless performance levelled at the wonderful Christine Collister. Certainly not down to lack of vocal impact! Perhaps a dislike of polished technique? I couldn't work out what they didn't like, but I guess it's got to be down to our old friend personal taste again.

Kate's fab, and so are lots of bigger-voiced singers. Vive la difference.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:15 AM

Dylan could sing but more importantly he could write.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:17 AM

Personally I don't think KR is worthy of tuning Dylans guitar and if she did it'd probably just be in double drop D!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:31 AM

I am reluctant to write to this thread, but feel I must. I have known Kate for many years: she is charming, and her family are friendly and supportive. She has been part of the folk scene since infancy, and has played with the family Ceilidh band since she could hold a fiddle. She's from Yorkshire, is proud of it , and refuses to adopt a false accent on stage. Her publicity machine is her family who produce and promote her. For some reason there is a witch hunt against Kate. If you don't like her performances, so be it, but recognise what she is.

I know Bill Jones too - a charming talented and hard working artist.

I am certain that both girls would wish that these bizarre posts would stop.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 07:48 AM

being slightly objective..

Dylan had some moments of excellence, but for a large part
his work is vastly over rated;
like it or not he has become a legend.

Kate Rusby is a pleasantly entertaining performer;
she will obviously never be credited with legendary status.

they each arrived at significantly different times in musical history,
fulfilling entirely different needs for their particular critics and fans.

what on earth is the point of contrasting an comparing them ?

My mate [going through divorce] has a poster of Kate on his bedroom wall... and dreams about 'giving her one..'

My wife likes likes many 'girly' singers, and i like some songs by some of them.

She also thinks Dylan is a genius.

so what..?


me.. i can only imagine how good it would be if the Slits reformed
and worked on an album of trad folk songs with PJ harvey and Cerys Mathews.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 08:43 AM

one additional point..

My wife likes many 'girly' singers.
She also thinks Dylan is a genius.

so is she any more or less a gullible consumer of succesful
music industry marketing propaganda..
in either instance..?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: greg stephens
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:27 AM

Let s all remember
(1) there is no accounting for tastes
(2) Ignore anonymous and pseudonymous GUEST posters. They are just stirring up trouble. Especially ignore the ones that sound sweetly reasonable!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,greg stephens
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:33 AM

(3) Ignore me as well, I'm a bit of an unreasonable tosser


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:36 AM

now that was an uncalled for insult


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,sweetly reasonable pseudonymous GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:39 AM

yes you are right, that was not very nice.
I am very sorry I pretended to be greg stephens
just to get a cheap laugh.
Is that ok ?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:40 AM

no its not ok. Say sorry properly.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,sweetly reasonable pseudonymous GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:41 AM

I'm very sorry Greg.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 05 - 09:45 AM

see Greg, GUEST posters can have a positive influence in
Mudcat threads.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,future old git
Date: 28 Jan 05 - 12:06 AM

anyway, if she's got the staying power..

give her career more time to develop beyond the current
media attention and popular CD sales success.

10 - 20 years from now there'll probably be a new generation of old gits
moaning on about how none of the new female singers
are as well matured and authentic as dear old Kate..


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 06:33 AM

I'd like to say that my wife and I saw the Kate Rusby concert in Sidmouth in 2004 and it was one of the most fun concerts I've ever been to, (though loud). Kate has a disarming self-deprecating personality on stage. She's proud of being from Yorkshire, and why not? I thought she and her band were delightful, and she has a great voice and some off-beat songs which re-vitalize the tradition, as well as new takes on old songs.

Our first contact with her was listening to Prairie Home Companion, of all things. I could tell from her first words I would probably like her, and I taped her segment. I still think her introduction to the Cobbler's Daughter was classic--- something like "this song was French, but now it sounds like it comes from Yorkshire, like me".

We now have 3 of her CD's--through CAMSCO--and I do have to say she's so much better in concert---so much livelier.   We'd love to go see her anytime if she comes to the US again--or if we have another chance in the UK.

By the way, I also really like Frankie Armstrong-- and June Tabor, especially with Maddy Prior on the first Silly Sisters album--particularly Dame Durden, Burning of Auchidoon, Doffin' Mistress, and Four Loom Weaver---but in fact the entire album is classic.

I also suspect that the other female singers mentioned on this thread are excellent, though I haven't heard them.

Mao was right---let a thousand flowers bloom.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 12:31 PM

all in the SAME garden, Ron? *grin*

"Mary, Mary, how does your garden grow?"
With silver bells and cockle shells...
And one damn petunia..."


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Merina
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 12:41 PM

Krusby too loud? Now I think I've heard every possible permutation of folkie whinge.

Julie Murphy, anybody? Preferably LOUDER!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Ron Davies
Date: 29 Jan 05 - 07:34 PM

Believe me, Merina, in Sidmouth the amplification at the Kate Rusby concert was way up. This was mentioned by others at the time of the Sidmouth threads in 2004.

Despite this, as I mentioned, my wife and I thought it was one of the best concerts we'd ever been to, Kate Rusby is a real winner, and we'd go to another of her concerts at the drop of a hat.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Rosanna
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 10:30 AM

I'll always remember the time when Kate Rusby said she liked my hat :)She's great and an excellent singer and songwriter...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Pete_Standing
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 06:24 PM

Ah, Julie Murphy, Holywell Room, Oxford. What's Welsh for bella?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,CraigS
Date: 03 Dec 12 - 07:23 PM

I once upset kate Rusby by telling her "Barnsley lass" jokes I learned from a Circus of Poets.

I don't resent her success, but I wish someone had picked up on me at 17 and pointed me to a way I could make a living for the rest of my life. Billy Bragg got the same treatment. Nice for them, but it minimises their "life experience".

In the same vein as Rosanna's comment, I'll always remember the time when Jo-Ann Kelly said she liked my singing. Now, that's what I call a compliment!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 03 Dec 12 - 07:33 PM

CraigS - if you're the Craig I remember from Wycombe folk club I think I agree with you!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 01:43 AM


I don't resent her success, but I wish someone had picked up on me at 17 and pointed me to a way I could make a living for the rest of my life. Billy Bragg got the same treatment. Nice for them, but it minimises their "life experience".


Well reviving a seven year old thread using a guest account, just to slag KR off, is a really excellent way of demonstrating how little you resent her success ...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 02:02 AM

No offense, but who is Kate Rusby?


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: theleveller
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 02:54 AM

Another bitch from an obviously talentless twat.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Fossil
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 03:43 AM

apart from about four at the top (if you load it backwards), all these threads date from 2005.

I guess Kate's success since then might have shut up the whinging Yorkshire tykes who can't stand to see a folk artist get some popular success.

We have a name for this kind of attitude in NZ (where regrettably, it is quite prevalent) - it's called the "tall poppy syndrome".

Think on't.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman sans Cookie
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 04:26 AM

Unnamed GUEST - let you into a little secret.....there's something on the internet called 'Google' that's really clever at finding websites. Go to www.google.co.uk, type 'Kate Rusby' into the search box and click the little magnifying glass symbol.

Kate sells CDs in volumes that most UK folk artists dream of, she sells out at every venue she plays, top musicians are delighted to play for her on her recordings and in her band, why would she care if a few pissers and moaners choose to vent their jealousy on here?

Jealousy, in any sphere of life, is amongst the ugliest of emotions.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 04:52 AM

I wish someone had picked up on me at 17

I'm sorry? Kate didn't release her first solo album until she was 24, and then on her own label, doing all the work with her family.

Billy Bragg got the same treatment

Really? What about all his time in the punk band 'Riff Raff', working in a record shop, a spell in the army and time spent as a busker. He was 25 when he made his first album.

At the very least get some facts straight.


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 04 Dec 12 - 10:36 AM

I'd just like to clarify that it was CraigS's final para I was agreeing with (possibly), not the whole post.

Kate has worked hard to get where she is, and I hope she's enjoying a happy birthday today!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 02:38 AM

When I saw this thread I really, really hoped that this was the name of Ms Rusby's new band, where she performs traditional songs in the style of Motorhead. I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: melodeonboy
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 04:06 AM

Good one! :-) I had a good laugh trying to imagine that!


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:27 AM

When I saw this thread I really, really hoped that this was the name of Ms Rusby's new band, where she performs traditional songs in the style of Motorhead. I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am...

Now you mention it I'd be up for hearing that as well.

Or maybe the other way round - Lemmy's finest as interpreted by the Barnsley Nightingale and her band, I can just imagine them giving a lovely reading of Ace Of Spades or Overkill ...


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: SteveMansfield
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 05:28 AM

They could call the album Nö Sleep Till Penistöne ....


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: ollaimh
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 01:33 PM

i love kate rusby's singing and i do not think she's particularily girlie. she's s girl they sometimes sing lke that. i find her very mellow and she has strong traditonal influences. and best of all she played with the POOZIES!!!! one of the great folk nabds of all time. their compliation cd .infinite blue is on my top ten traditiona;/folk cds of all time. but then you have to love patsy seddon and mary macmaster


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Subject: RE: Kate Rusby Overkill
From: GUEST,Backwoodsman sans Cookie
Date: 05 Dec 12 - 02:37 PM

I'm with you re: The Poozies, ollaimh. Superb band. We had them at a local village hall a few years ago, just as Davy Steele was getting sick. He was there with Patsy, and sang 'The Last Trip Home' with them - wonderful!


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