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Subject: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,Un-educated as yet Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:13 AM Someone told me they were into "Wicca" (correct spelling) I replied making wicker baskets, I was totally wrong by the expression on their face and their comments, please educate me ? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Pied Piper Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:24 AM Wicca is a cobbled together dog's dinner of so called "Celtic" mysticism and varying amounts of "new age" pseudoscience for modern people that haven't got the guts to be atheists. PP |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,mink Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM Oooh PP - you're going to be unpopular! There's a slew of wiccans hereabouts & they take it very serious. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Pied Piper Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:45 AM So whats new? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Morticia Date: 18 Feb 04 - 10:52 AM Try this: http://www.wiccaforbeginners.com/ |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Catherine Jayne Date: 18 Feb 04 - 11:52 AM Try doing some research here The Pagan Federation or here The Witches Voice (Witchvox) |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Grab Date: 18 Feb 04 - 12:33 PM A bit harsh, PP. :-) Other religions (or offshoots of major religions) follow the teachings of a particular leader who claims to have been influenced somehow by God (either influenced through revelations, or directly descended from God), a leader who was known to be very wise and clever, or several of the above. Wicca, by contrast, was invented by modern people from research into old spells recorded in historical documents. How much trust you want to put in historical documents as to the accuracy of witches' spells, that's anyone's guess. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,Un-educated as yet Date: 18 Feb 04 - 12:36 PM Thanks for the blue thingys, I've had a brief look, strooth is their such a word, where do you start with that lot, so much info, so many questions, who gets into all this sort of stuff ? where does it lead to ? and and and ? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,khatt@work Date: 18 Feb 04 - 12:45 PM GUEST..ask away and someone will step in and try to answer for you....... |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Clinton Hammond Date: 18 Feb 04 - 12:49 PM "What is wicca all about" Selling stuff mostly, from what I've seen.... |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 18 Feb 04 - 02:59 PM looks very interesting to me seems like any other group, there are those that take it very seriously, those that are far more relaxed about the whole thing, certain secrets, certain mystic, those that strip off on certain occasions throughout the year and those that dont, could be dangerous I quess if in the wrong hands... |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Midchuck Date: 18 Feb 04 - 04:09 PM Among other things, it seems to be a way to provide religious sanction for getting naked and partying. Where were they when I was young and handsome? Based on the "Wiccan Rede" - "An it harm none, do what thou wilt," they appear to be libertarian mystics, which ought to be an oxymoron, but apparently isn't to them. I can certainly live with that as an ethical and moral code, provided a definition of "harm," that satisfies everyone, can be arrived at. Peter. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Cluin Date: 18 Feb 04 - 05:10 PM "An it harm none, do what thou wilt" Bit of a philosophical conundrum, that. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Cobble Date: 18 Feb 04 - 06:52 PM PP what have I done. Cobble (Cobbled)??? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Richard Bridge Date: 18 Feb 04 - 07:07 PM The credo is of course an antonym for the classic "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law", popularised for millions by Denis Wheatley. Is there any indication that Wicca is less bogus than any other organised religion? Do the spells work? If so it must be real, no? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: michaelr Date: 18 Feb 04 - 07:29 PM Un-educated -- forget about spells and such mumbo-jumbo. What youre talking about is paganism. Of course there are all kinds of different new-age approaches, but basically it's a throwback to pre-christian (read: pagan) spiritual beliefs which honor the forces of nature embodied in the female deity (the goddess). Makes a lot more sense to me than any of the patriarchal control systems that have been foisted on mankind as "religion". A good book for understanding these things is Mara Freeman's "Kindling the Celtic Spirit" (HarperCollins, 2001) Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Peace Date: 18 Feb 04 - 07:35 PM Stop now, or we will be runed! (Pretty good, huh? Just rolled right off my tongue. No applause necessary. It's a gift.) |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,The Beast Date: 18 Feb 04 - 09:34 PM "Do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law" "Love is the Law - Love under Will" Chewy little maxims, yes - not intended and quite ill-suited for the "gentle reader". |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: LadyJean Date: 18 Feb 04 - 11:10 PM Speaking as a Presbyterian, I would say that Wicca depends on the witch. I know some fine witches, who have found a belief system that works for them. I also know some prize flakes, who have found creative and inventive ways of being flaky. My advice to anyone exploring the wiccan world is, be careful about giving out your phone number. You may meet someone who thinks that calling at 3 in the morning just to rap is perfectly reasonable. I also reccomend that you be careful about taking checks. Most Wiccans are honest. But you may run across someone who thinks they can't be overdrawn unless they run out of checks. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 19 Feb 04 - 12:30 AM You will find many threads here.
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: michaelr Date: 19 Feb 04 - 02:03 AM Succinct as always, garg -- "infediltiy"? Goddess forbid! |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST,Boab Date: 19 Feb 04 - 02:46 AM I tend to agreement with Michaelr on this. While "the Green Man", corn dollies and woodland dances around [and over] fires as indulged by those of the Wiccan persuasion are in the "frivolity" category for most people, LESS harm appears to have resulted from the practice of this creed than has come from the even more airy-fairy mumbo-jumbo, waving of incense burners, creation of something called "holy water", assertions about wee bits of bread being "the Body", and fancy-dress parades every Sunday in big cold stone buildings. And note how much real Love there is between Presbyterians, Catholics, Episcopalians and Seventh Day Adventists; all "worshipping" the same "three-person" God! I think Wiccans and Bhuddists have the edge..... |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 03:36 AM sorry, wrong thread. I thought this was all about Alan Wicca. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 03:45 AM POST NUMBER 100. I THANK YOU, YOU HAVE MADE AN OLD GUINEA PIG VERY HAPPY. Oh, sorry, wrong thread. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:17 AM Boab "fancy dress parades" thats rich when talking about the Wicca creed, look at the garments they wear or DON'T wear at certain times running around the forests in the good old buff etc. This is not a criticism but an observation. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Teresa Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:19 AM Were you really asking a question, PP? Do you have something of real magic or pagan practices to teach that might enlighten? Teresa |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Teresa Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:24 AM Oops, I goofed; thought you'd initiated the thread, PP; should have paid more attention. I apologize. But I agree; that was harsh. :) Teresa |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Dave Hanson Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:37 AM It's all bollocks, but then I'm an atheist. eric |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:46 AM "It's all bollocks and boobs" apparently according to some of the posts, any chance of some info from an informed source ? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Catherine Jayne Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:00 AM Not all Witches 'work' skyclad....nekkid for those of you who wanted to know. Paganism is like Christianity in the sense that it has many denominations. Not all Witches are Wiccan and not all Pagans are Witches......I would go and do some research if I were you |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Daithi Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:03 AM There are many informative websites ( as well as the usual trash) for those seriously interested in finding out more. From the tenor of most of the postings here so far though, I doubt that many will pursue them. For those already involved, the main problem in discussing Wicca with non pagans is where to start! (For example, in the US the term is applied very broadly - and increasingly so in the UK too. Originally - and strictly speaking - it refers to a tradition of practices developed since the early 1950s, but based upon and drawing inspiration from pre-Christian spirituality.) I have many Pagan and non-Pagan friends and I respond to them all on the basis of what they do and say, not on their belief systems - which are entirely a matter for them. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 19 Feb 04 - 06:21 AM Why do people seem to get hung-up on a bit of nudity these days, I had a friend who was/is a witch she gets involved with the nuddy bit, SO WHAT, you can see it on prime time television every day of the week. I'm sure it all means something to them if they are not causing harm to others why bother about it. If they want to explain they will if not they wont, simple really |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 06:30 AM ooh er missus, how do I join? |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Dave Hanson Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:38 AM I'm not getting my kit off in February in Yorkshire, well at least not outside. eric |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 07:41 AM Why not eric? We could set fire to a tree and dance around it to keep warm |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 19 Feb 04 - 08:11 AM I suppose if it was a big fire and I'd had plenty Yorkshire pudding, byt then again nah bollocks. eric |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 08:16 AM You chicken! You could wear the pudding to keep you warm then eat it later in the pub. a slow strip tease, yorkshire style |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: *daylia* Date: 19 Feb 04 - 08:58 AM Better yet, in the spirit of true community, invite your pub-mates to lick it off you! Oh, and post some pictures of this memorable moment, willya pleeeez? ;) |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 09:04 AM Good idea daylia. I have just been to the febuary yorkshire mudcat gathering. should we organize . "FEB YORKSHIRE PUDCAT GATHERING" We could all turn up wearing our regional dishes. Top hole idea I think. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Dave Hanson Date: 19 Feb 04 - 10:11 AM Squawk. eric |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Grab Date: 19 Feb 04 - 12:27 PM "Tradition developed since the 1950s"?!?! Electric guitar has been going for roughly the same time. I think that if you suggested electric guitar was a traditional instrument, you would get some real interesting replies! ;-) Hence I don't see how wicca can have a "tradition" - it simply hasn't existed long enough. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Bobjack Date: 19 Feb 04 - 12:30 PM Post no 100, I thank you. you have made an old guinea pig very happy! Oh, sorry, wrong thread. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: kendall Date: 19 Feb 04 - 03:35 PM If God wanted us to go naked, we would be born that way. "There is nothing more scary than ignorance in action." (Goethe') |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Nerd Date: 19 Feb 04 - 04:57 PM Grab, I don't think there's a big problem with claiming that there are traditions that developed since the 1950s. eg: "we have a tradition in my family of singing at the holidays" often just means for the last ten years or so. "Traditional" in the folk music world has specific connotations that it may not have elsewhere. But even in folk music, you're apt to hear that Cropredy is a tradition, for example. It's true that much of Wiccan belief and practice is newfangled. Most Wiccans are very honest about this, but some make claims to greater antiquity than is warranted for various of their practices. Many are more interested in the spirituality of it than in the history, so thay haven't done the research to know what is truly old and what is new. Much of the early research on what was called the "witch cult" of ancient and medieval Europe wasn't really that convincing anyway. In this sense, you could say "it's all a load of bollocks." But I'm always puzzled why members of other religions are so disparaging of newer ones. "It can't be a tradition, it's too young" is only the mildest form of this disparagement. The more stringent form is PP's, above. Why do you folks have to pee on other people's campfires? Gargoyle's is, of course, the paranoid, Urban-Legend version, in which neo-pagans sacrifice humans. (You should read Jeff Victor's book "Satanic Panic" on this, Garg.) |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Feb 04 - 05:52 PM The value of Wicca, like that of all other faiths, is in the qualities and attitude of the adherent or practitioner. Therefore, anything you say about it...bad or good...may be true under certain circumstances. As belief systems go, I find it a rather open-minded and likeable one, with a lot of good possibilities. The founders of Wicca probably did not anticipate ever recruiting Clinton Hammond... :-) He thinks it's mainly about "selling stuff". Well, anything which is of interest to some human beings sells stuff, doesn't it? Speaking of which, Clinton, I've got some great New Age books here to offer you at reduced prices. I've also got a hat that Bob Dylan wore in the early '60's, and it's still got some of his scalp oils on it, and maybe a wee bit of dandruff. PM me for a good deal on both. - LH |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 19 Feb 04 - 11:23 PM Naked!!!!
Someone said naked?
Where, When, How, Now?
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: LadyJean Date: 20 Feb 04 - 12:00 AM None of the witches I know do their rituals in the buff. My sister says she went to a wiccan gathering that was led by a man with "A stomach big enough to be introduced by name" wearing nothing but a small piece of plaid fabric covering the essentials. Most of the wiccans I know have a sense of humor about their religion. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: NobleSavage Date: 20 Feb 04 - 11:25 AM The best information about Wicca (specifically) and neopaganism(generally) is a book by one Ronald Hutton entitled "Triumph of the Moon". Mr. Hutton is a professor of history at the University of Bristol. The book deals with what is really known about the roots of neopaganism. He has a separate chapter on Wicca. It was published in 1999, so it should be readily available by now--most public libraries have a copy. Refreshingly, Mr. Hutton confines himself to the facts wherever possible and does not represent opinion as fact. I think it wise to get all the factual information about belief systems generally and especially about the ones we may disagree with before posting ill informed and derogatory opinions concerning things we know nothing about. A little respect goes a long way. . . |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: Melani Date: 20 Feb 04 - 11:01 PM Having been brought up as a rather low-key Protestant, I tend to like religions that have fancy clothes and fun props. There are a lot of them, and you can pick and choose. It's all just another view of the same thing. Wicca is as good as any and better than some, and a lot more fun. |
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Subject: RE: What is wicca all about From: GUEST Date: 20 Feb 04 - 11:43 PM It is really called Ricca, but it was invented by a guy who was speaking with his mouth full |
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