BS: Can you identify this tune?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: katlaughing
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 11:09 AM

You mean Night on Bald Mountain?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: MMario
Date: 18 Feb 09 - 10:09 AM

I'm not sure of the original, but whatever it wasit is the basis for the 'Sorcerer's apprentice" tune. (As made famouse by THE MOUSE in Fantasia)

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: JennyO
Date: 12 Feb 09 - 10:19 PM

I've just come across another tune that needs identifying, so of course I came here to ask the opinion of my learned friends in Mudcat. You'll have to excuse me though, if I get the tiddle -i's and the pompety poms a bit confused or if I get by mirds wixed up. I hab a code in de dose.

It goes subthig like dis:

de dum de dum de diddle e dum
de dum de dum de diddle e dumpety
dun de dum de diddle e dum
de dumpety dum de dum dum

I really hope subwud cad help be wid dis as by code is gettig worse!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Jan 08 - 12:27 AM

MuddleC, thanks for the link! Hilarious and the one with Paul McCartney is pretty funny, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: MuddleC
Date: 21 Jan 08 - 08:22 PM

Sorry for not responding earlier, but I've been stuck in elephant traffic on the Mumbei bypass since the Monsoon season opened and have only just made it back to the club for tiffin. I remember the song well, it was the night of the Regimental Dance, and Reggie hadn't turned up... so Eccles(the tall person in one boot) and his assistant Miss Minnie Bannister(she's not a true red-head you know.. .AEOUGH!)played that wonderful haunting ditty you describe so well..
It was non other than that old tyme melodie 'The Ying-Tong song'. I feel I must point out that in your drunken haze, the object you took to be a modern-type cardboard Kazzoo was in fact my batman's personal boot scraper, one 'Trooper' Bluebottle.

ying tong iddle-i-po

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 11:20 PM

Thank you TheSnail. It's all much clearer now.

Lin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,IBO
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 02:32 PM

if im not mistaken,its UM DIDDLE DUM DOO DAY,second in eurovision 1967

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: TheSnail
Date: 24 Jul 07 - 06:39 AM

Lin in Kansas

But can someone please explain to me what folk really is? I just don't get the distinction...

If it goes -

Diddle de dum, dum, Diddle diddle de dum

it's folk. If it goes

Doo doo, doobee doobee doo

it isn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Lin in Kansas
Date: 23 Jul 07 - 11:58 PM

After careful research, and using clues given by Foolstroupe when he said: "Actually, there was also this sort of solo where the guy who sings falsetto with that sound like he had grabbed his adam's apple and wobbled it," I'm certain that it's that greatest of all country-Western tear-jerkers, "He Stopped Loving Her Today."

But can someone please explain to me what folk really is? I just don't get the distinction...

Lin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:49 PM

"Half a beer, half a beer, half a beer onwards"...


Sorry....

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,Nick
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:34 PM

I must apologise here. In fact he heard the "tune" in the men's room at a mexican restaurant, I was in the next stall, it is just a bit of ass music, but he seems to have forgotten the percussive splooshing.
Nick

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:23 PM

_)

There ya go, Robin - careful it doesn't all fall out!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 09:12 PM

So I get half a beer?

:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 10:11 AM

The Sailor's Hornpipe certainly fits yours, Foolestroupe. But that's not what mine was meant to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: JennyO
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 10:06 AM

Robin, I think yours is the Sailors Hornpipe, but I can't place Scrump's one. At first I thought it was the introduction to "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its Flavour On The Bedpost Overnight?", but I'm sorta stuck.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 07:20 AM

Scrump, I quoted teh second part and I say is a nautical air.... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Scrump
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 06:25 AM

Not sure if anyone understands what I meant above. The 'tune' I posted is a well known tune, and I was hopin someone would be able to identify it from the "diddles" and "dums" (etc.) alone, with no hint as to the pitch of each note, etc.

I believe it should be possible. If anyone gets it right, I'll buy them a pint in LTS's pub (what happened to that, btw? And what was it called, The Mudcat Arms or something like that?)

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Sherbs
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 01:30 AM

Crane Driver,

I was pleased to see someone put the Welsh variant up here. Doesn't Dafydd Iwan sing a version but with inserted verses which I am assured are not about independence at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Dickey
Date: 09 Mar 07 - 01:00 AM

Hey, thats the way we used to call the ducks.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:12 PM

That's just the A part Scrump - I'm currently (if you'll pardon my expression) diddling the B part.


Diddle de dum, dum, Diddle diddle de dum,
Diddle de dum, dum, Diddle diddle de dum,
Diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle
Diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle de, dum, dum!

Not sure whether I did quite enough diddling (if you'll pardon my expression) in the last 2 line phrase though...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: leeneia
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 04:36 PM

The name is on the tip of my tongue. It's modal, I know that.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:50 AM

Talking of identifying tunes from limited information, can anyone identify this:

De diddle diddle diddle diddle de, dum , dum,
De diddle diddle diddle diddle de, dum , dum,
De diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle diddle
Diddle diddle diddle diddle de, dum, dum!

?

I'm willing to bet* someone can - this is an experiment to see if I'm right.

* but don't ask me to bet money, or nobody will try to guess it just so they can win the bet! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John Hardly
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:49 AM

dweet doo-ya-doo
dweet dweet doo-ya-doo
dweet doo-ya-doo
dweet dweet doo-ya-doo
doo-doo
doo-doo

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:45 AM

100!!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Scrump
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 09:45 AM

The Wurple Diddle I Do song is one of the finest lyrics ever written.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 08 Mar 07 - 08:32 AM

No, I disagree... Adge's recording of the Wurple diddle I doo song states specifically that it's to be done with jugs.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: autolycus
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 05:43 PM

LTS

    Same thing.






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Dickey
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 02:17 PM

Is it like

Dum de dum
Dum de dum de dum

Dum de dum
Dum de dum de dum

Dum de duuuum
Dum de dum de dum

Dragnet

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 01:45 PM

Are you absolutely sure it's not Adge Cutler and the Wurzels with the 'Wurple diddle I doo song'?

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: autolycus
Date: 07 Mar 07 - 01:21 PM

i thin I've got it.

   It's our oldeast song from pre-literate times.

   Language hadn't yet been invented.

   Sorry for delay.





       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:37 PM

sung by Ted Haggard,

If I had a hammer
I'd hammer on the gays and queers
If I had a second chance
all over this land
I'd preach about Satan
I'd preach about gay ay sin
I'd preach about hate between the faithful and the sinners
all all over this land.

If I had an ego
I'd brag about it endlessly
If I had a book to sell
all over this land.
I'd spew out blind faith
I'd spew out God's design
I'd spew out evolution is the devil's institution
all all over this land

If I had an hour show
I'd ask for viewers last dollar
If I were on TV
all over this land
God needs all your rent checks
God needs all your savings
I'd tell them that all they give would come back twice as needed.
all all in the name of God.
-but sign the check to Haggard-
all all over this laaaaaand

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 09:26 PM

A tune, of the Dumdums, by the Dumdums, for the Dumdums?

Didn't they have a Top Ten Hit?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: autolycus
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 04:57 PM

We've never asked Foulstroupe - if the tune went

Dum de dum   etc.,


which is what he/you said in the first post - and here's the stupid bit, How did the words go? (I think we should be told)






       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: leeneia
Date: 05 Mar 07 - 11:05 AM

I think it's a song I learned in grade school.

Tum tum tiddle tum is my song.
This I sing when things go wrong.
Tum tum tiddle tum you sing too.
Then you never will feel blue.

I think the tune was stolen from Rachmaninoff.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 09:05 PM

Lyr Req: What is this?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: autolycus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:27 AM

A few candidates.

Is it perhaps the secret tune in Elgar's Enigma Variations (it sounds like it.)?

Then again the sheer primitiveness of it suggests it's Viennese.

There is also ,to my ears, a clear Uzbekistan undercurrent.(That's not as smart as it looks; I has to look up the correct spelling of unnercourante. It's not ch or ck just k.)

Or could it be the first evidence of aliens being musical.

Would it be thread drift to ask why, when peop .........on reflection, it probably is.

Auto.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Trevor
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 04:55 AM

I've heard this song in a Mayfair drawing room, where the "folk process" had changed the words to 'La de da de da de da'.

And does anybody know the rest of the shanty that goes 'Rumty diddly diddly tum, rum tumpty tum tum'?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: number 6
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 10:20 AM

Can you whistle it one more time please?


sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: David C. Carter
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:16 AM

Clicked on the "Another candidate"thread,sorry.
As I said there,it sounds like-Didler On The Roof.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:32 AM

Another candidate.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 06:03 AM

Sure it is not this

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Mar 05 - 08:27 PM

Copy Cat?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,Paranoid Android
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 11:07 PM

Joe Dolan (an Irish singer at whom females throw their thongs or things) sings "The house with the whitewashed gable". That's yer answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: JennyO
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 10:48 PM

For anyone reading this thread for the first time, ya gotta read it all the way through - it's a "hoot" - played of course on the flolodler with an orgiethumper backing.

Jenny

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 10:45 PM

It's the third verse of "Here I stand on Buttermilk Hill" as recorded by Peter, Paul and Mary. The song was too short to make the top forty, so they added nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Mar 05 - 07:34 PM

Refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: jack halyard
Date: 27 Sep 04 - 07:58 AM

Look guys, the Coptic euponium back there has no bearing on the issue.
What you have here is an ancient north Lancashire counting mnemonic dating back to the viking invasions. The DUM element is a softening device used to minimise the impact of the more penetrating latin UNO which carries much further in a resonant fog.

Thus DUM - one
    DUM-DE- two
    DUM-DE-DUM- One plus two. I/e three
Since in those days the next word beyond three was "Many" it was necessary to repeat the exercise thus getting a base three mathemetical model.

This accounts for the great number of threes in the Anglo Celtic folk tradition; The three great heroes of Ireland. The idea of the trinity in its various forms and of course the three stooges, The epitomy of DUM-if I may say so.

                         Jack Halyard.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 26 Sep 04 - 07:33 PM

God is ssooooooooo good.
If LAUGHTER ever dies it won't be because you guys couldn't give it mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.   Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 04:44 AM

Mornington Crescent!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 04 - 03:13 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 06:08 AM

john -

I just tried to find the lyrics but haven't been able to find them. I wonder if there are any more lyrics.

Does anyone know the lyrics to Annie O'Dayan?

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 05:15 AM

I'm not going to put that jacket with the arms facing the wrong way again Freda.
Could this song be an old traditional variant of 'They're Coming to Take me Away' could it?
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 01:46 AM

??

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: freda underhill
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 12:20 AM

if you come to sydeny John, I can organise for nurseR to meet you at the airport, if required.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 12:11 AM

Maybe it's here....

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: matai
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 02:57 AM

or is that hops?

Matai

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: matai
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:58 AM

Vin Garbutt in his concert the other night said, when his Doctor asked him if he had tinnitus, he answered no, he could just hear everyone elses.
Is that the sort of tune your thinking of? If it is I think it is in very high C with tiddley tum tums treking through it at rapid frequency and the words are in a very old form of Spanish used by Magellen who apparently discovered the world was round.
In fact I'm sure it is a song about the Spice Islands. It certainly smells like cinamon from here.

matai

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:12 PM

Do we yet know what key this song is in? I mean, usually, not transposed or anything? And the clef? And can we please work out the time signature? Once we have these sorts of things, I can do more research on it.

Obrigato.
Tak.
Merci.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 12:43 PM

I'm looking at a holiday at the moment that will take us from Hong Kong to Sydney, Cairns,Darwin, Perth, and Singapore, all for about 4 days each. This will be a field trip, and expect to see lots of fields, including the famous Paddy. The purpose of the trip is to search out the source of this song just for you Robin. So don't accuse me of thread creep, it's all in the good name of research.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:36 AM

Sorry to stick my nose into the thread I statred, but I think we are undergoing some thread creep here - can we please get back onto the topic of trying to find this song that I know nothing about?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:25 AM

Well I do and I don't, I mean logically speaking we are a public forum, and lots of people know we're here, and some of them might not be above suspicion, but then again who is? It was however said as a joke, and no I don't think we have any spooks in our midst, albeit we do have some veeeeeeery odd characters!
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:59 PM

John Mac - Do you mean that? Don't make me paranoid. I think I've already given enough away. Thats why I don't want to post my pic. Big brother really scares me.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 12:43 PM

You didn't need to send it, they know where we are!
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 12:33 PM

The Answer is 42

I have sent a copy of this thread to both the US and British governments, just to have them double check my findings. Expect their answer right after their next elections. Dum de dum dum...duuuummmm

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:30 AM

Jimmy cracked corn.

Jimmy = a young lad.
cracked = a euphemism for the loss of a maidenhead
corn = shortened nickname for Corny, which is short for Cornelia.

I'd think that it would evident.

Without exception, ALL folksongs are filthy and obscene.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 07:16 AM

You know, Shanghaiceltic,

isn't that strange? The world is a very small place! That's very much like what actually happened to my friend's uncle, but I don't think that was the song I'm trying to recall - I don't remeber the redhaired lady singing about wheelchairs...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:25 AM

Foolestroupe, your story touched me. So I looked at the chorus and put it into an alternative search engine which came up with the following sad, solemn, slow and appropriate song which incredibly has a similar chorus to the one you heard being sung.


Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da

My friend was in 'is wheelchair
For 'e 'ad no legs to walk
'E'd 'ad a few to many
'E couldn't even talk

Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da

My friend was in 'is wheelchair
Too blind drunk to see
A bus t'was fast approaching
An' it were 'eavier than 'e


Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da


My friend was in 'is wheelchair
E'd forgot to check the power
The bloody thing stopped in t'road
An' t'bus did run 'im 'ower

Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da
Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum
Fol di fol di fol di ra di da

My friend ain't in is wheelchair
E's behind the pearly gate
E's angel wings an everything
An' the pubs stay open late

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 04:31 AM

It's not the Irish/Israeli song called 'Annie O'Dayan' is it?
You know the one, it goes a bit like this.

Annie O'Dayan
Annie O'Dayan
Annie Annie Annie O'Dayan
U luk suite, tok abba ta truit

Can't remember anymore, but I'm sure an erudite ethnomusicologist lurks somewhere on these pages, and will no doubt furnish more words.
John.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:27 AM

Look Guys,

This is a serious request for a friend of mine who does not have access to a computer but was with me the night we were out celebrating a wake for his father, which was when we heard the song I am asking about.

His father's brother, who also with us that night in his powered wheelchair, was run over by a bus on his way home, and is now asking my friend on his deathbed - no, that's the brother of the now deceased father of my friend who is on his deathbed, that is - and would like us to sing the song at his wake, which will be not too far in the future.

They have taken off his legs now - so there isn't much need for the accompanying dance - of course he couldn't walk before - which is why he was in the powered wheelchair that night. Unfortunately he had a few too many ales with us and tried to beat the bus across the road, but his batteries expired in the middle of the road, as he nearly did.

I know you guys have coped with some pretty clueless song requests in the past, so my friend wants you to help him with this totally clueless one!

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:27 AM

Its: someone's in the kitchen with Dinah
      strummin on the old banjo

good grief! What can be simpler? I doubt if its anything more than that. Now I'm gonna look up "Jimmy cracked corn"

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:13 AM

Somehow . . . this almost seems like a music thread . . . is it? DUM de dum dum DEE!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:01 AM

Will you please use plain language? Coptic and euphemism to explain a little diddy diddy di dum?

Thats it. I'm off to find the lyrics.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 09:56 PM

I really must point out that Dinah is in actuality "strumming on her Old Banjo", which is not an instrument but a person. The original lyrics were "strumming on her Old Man, Joe" but were bowd...bolw...cleaned up so that little kids could sing it. This, of course, makes better sense because the person in the kitchen with Dinah is her Old Man, Joe. "Strumming" was a 19th Century American railroader euphemism for an extremely erotic, very obscene, and eminently enjoyable act which involved a man, a woman, a two-person swing, three quarts of olive oil, two fiddle strings, a rubber duckling, and a 4-8-8-4 locomotive.

Now I forgot what erudite and scholarly points I wanted to make about the lyrics to the tune in question. Something about Coptic....

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM

It is no one in the kitchen but Dinah.

I made a mistake when I said nuthin.

... but is it a euphanism? If so, I sure wasn't aware of it. Have to think about it again.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: freda underhill
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 05:58 AM

it's "The Charge of the Feral Brigade"

by Paul Spencer...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 03:51 AM

I always thought that Dinah in the kitchen alone playing her old banjo, was a euphemism.
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:55 PM

Just goes to show, nuthin is original.

Think: nuthin in the kitchen but Dinah

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Peace
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:34 PM

And that ain't all that's been spread far and wide. Anyone can see that it is the beginning to the part of the Snow White movie when the Seven Dwarfs march off. It was also in the movie Platoon--the part where they shoot at people. Clear as a bell.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 11:18 AM

I was totally amazed at the connection I discovered between the variation dianavan has submitted and this shanty. Even the most cursory perusal of the text will show that the phrase, "ay ay oh" has found its way into the lyrics. Clearly elements of this song have been spread far and wide!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 01:36 AM

dee di diddly di day
dee di day ay ay oh
dee di diddly di oh
diddle diddle di dum doh.

d

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Walking Eagle
Date: 28 Feb 04 - 04:19 PM

Nope, it isn't Tsa la gi either. we don't have any characters in the syllabary for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,Dum-De-Dumb
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:50 PM

Yes I agree upon studying the lyric how very clever it tis. However the tune I think I recall is chilling. Therefore could one safely assume it's an old folksong from possibly Iceland or one of the Poles? Maybe even an ice age campfire ditty? DDD

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:31 PM

John, I think you're onto something.....or on something. I'm not sure which.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:10 PM

I collected another fragment of this traditional ditty from a drunk man in George Square Glasgow. It went

Hoo di fa,
Hoo de fa,
Hoo de fa,
yoo loo kinat......Jimmy.

The last line sounds as though it may have Chinese roots, this is lent credence by the 5 spices between the word 'kinat', and the explosive utterance of the word Jimmy. He then followed this up by saying,
'hal aw rer ma awl china' which clinches it for me.
John C#

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Crane Driver
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:17 AM

After considerable research at the Felinfoel brewery, I can assure you that it isn't Welsh. There is, however, a similar Welsh song that goes:

Ddwm ddwm dydel dydel ddi
Ddydel di ddwm ddwm di

But that's probably no relation at all.

Andrew

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 08:25 AM

we are pleased that such a dry, academic thread gould give humour to those who are researching song texts. We do try to liven things up a bit - such as Allan's pretense to have a hard time understanding Bill Sables!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,marthabees
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 08:02 PM

You folks crack me up.

I have enjoyed this thread immensely.

Martha

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:36 PM

I'm almost certain that Bill Sables sings a song like this. He always cracks a wicked smile as he delivers the last lines. The problem is that he does the whole thing in Geordie so I have no idea what it's about.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 08:32 PM

its syncopated arrangement of shetland mouth music perpetuated by shepherds to co-ordinate their communal knitting rythms over long distances.

original gaelic

'Dummelly tum de tedium, she diddly, he dumb dumb...'

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Dani
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 01:09 PM

Well, I went back to the All-Stars. They picked up the tune, apparently, from Lex's grandmother, who used to sing it when she was working out back. Apparently it was a WORK song she'd learned at HER mother's knee, useful for keeping the rhythm of pinning up the laundry while slaughtering chickens. If you do it right, you avoid getting blood on the sheets, apparently. That's how the tradition evolved of playing the spoons at the same time as the kazoo. Can you picture Gran with the clothespins in her mouth and a chicken neck in each hand? You get the idea...

I just love a kazoo, so it was a natural tune for me. It is, though, a challenge for me to play the spoons and do the kazoo at the same time. Lex swears his grandmother did it just like that, though, so I will as long as I have breath in me.

Dani

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Janie
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 10:18 AM

This version is very common in the coal fields of West Virginia, although one usually only hears it at high school pep rallies. It clearly has changed in modern times, since it is usually accompanied by brass instruments instead of the traditional lap dulcimer.

Da naw naw naw
Da naw naw
Da naw naw naw naw naw da naw.

In fact, I did not even know of its traditional roots until I heard it here in Hillsborough, North Carolina. The Piedmont All-Stars were playing at Dani's restaurant one night and prevailed upon her to join them with her kazoo. I think it went smething like this:

Dada dee dee diddly dee
Diddly do do dee dee da
Dum diddle dee
Dum diddle dee
Dum dee dee dada diddle dee.

(kazoo break)

Dum dum dum dee dee
dum dum diddle dee dee da naw

Needless to say---they brought down the house!

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Noreen
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 09:13 AM

Ah Giok- a fellow Radio 4 listener! (I got that answer before they did :0) )

No, there's a lot more notes in Spem in Allium. It's still my ambition to sing one of the 40 parts...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Shanghaiceltic
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 04:15 AM

Revealing my self to be a sad git it sounds like a cut from the Archers theme tune

Dum de dum de dum de dum de dum
Dum de dum de da da
Dum de dum de dum de dum
Dum de diddly dah

Repeat for 30 seconds

Then audition for BBC radio 4.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 05:45 AM

Why "Obviously" Sorcha, if that is your real name?

I mean, I come to a place all my muso friends told me about - I can only sing in the bathroom after a few scotches - and all you e-rude-ite folkities can do is be negative!

When I was doing Formal Logic in my PhD on Mumblemathics, it was stressed on me that if you make a sweeping ststement, then you should show evidence of what the broom swept away!

So please, everybody, when you make sweeping statements, please give the background evidence to dicument your statements!

I do aplogagize if I overreacted - I didn't mean to lose my cool...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 04:33 AM

If it's a garlic song could it be Spem in allium?
John

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Teresa
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 03:58 AM

Perhaps one factor in identifying the tune is the linguistic origin and etymology of the words in question. How much have they changed over the years, or have the phrases been maintained without a blemish in the true oral folk tradition?

;)

:)

Teresa

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 02:55 AM

I know! It's written in the Garlic!
Robyn

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Sorcha
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 09:01 PM

Well, it obviously is not a Spanish or Greek language song....possibly not English either...

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 07:37 PM

Actually Alln C,

I think your contribution, although extremely well researched and very good and and all that, may be thread creep....
can we please get this thread back on topic?

Thanks Emma B - Being monolingual, I appreciate assitance from those more educated than I.

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Emma B
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 07:19 PM

It's definitely Irish! a lewd old drinking song for lewd (or cold) old drinkers

Dom - do
Digh - var of deoch - drink
di- eadaigh   - unclothed

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 07:17 PM

Sadly, during the darker days of the "folk scare" there were artists who took such great, traditional songs as this, changed them slightly (maybe even added some verses,)and then claimed copyright. See example:

Come Softly To Me

Words and Music by The Fleetwoods (Gary Troxel, Gretchen Christopher, and Barbara Ellis)
Words (in parentheses) are sung by Gretchen and Barbara only

Mm dooby do, dahm dahm, dahm do dahm ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm do dahm, ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm do dahm, ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm ooh dahm
Mm dooby do

(Come softly, darling)
(Come softly, darling)
(Come softly, darling)
(Come softly, darling)

(Come softly, darling)
(Come to me, sta-ay)
(You're my ob-session)
(For ever and a da-ay)

I want, want you to kno-o-ow
I love, I love you so
Please hold, hold me so tight
All through, all through the night..

(Speak softly, darling)
(Hear what I sa-ay)
(I love you always)
(Always, always)

I've waited, waited so long
For your kisses and your love
Please come, come to me
From up, from up above

(Come softly, darling)
(Come softly, darling)
I need, need you so much
Wanna feel your wa-arm touch

Mm dooby do, dahm dahm, dahm do dahm ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm do dahm, ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm do dahm, ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm ooh dahm

Mm dooby do, dahm dahm, dahm do dahm ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm do dahm, ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm do dahm, ooby do
Dahm dahm, dahm ooh dahm

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 06:55 PM

Doesn't she sing everything?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 03:20 PM

Didn't Kate Rusby sing this?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 03:08 PM

Yes I can.
Io nao falar Portogues
Muit obrigada
Joao
Uma Sagres for chavor

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 12:38 PM

This is the only one I know.

Dum Dum
Brenda Lee
(Sharon Sheeley - Jackie De Shannon)

A dum dum, a deedely dum
Uh huh huh
A dum dum, a deedely dum
Oh yeah
Dum dum, a deedely dum

A music's sweet the lights are low
Playing a song on the radio
Your ma's in the kitchen
Your pa's next door
I wanna love you just a little bit more

Singing dum dum, a deedely dum
Uh huh
Dum dum, a deedely dum
Sing it out
Dum dum. a deedely dum

Come on baby, don't you be so shy
You know that I love you, let me tell you why
You got a heart I know that it's true
I couldn't love you any more than I do

Singing dum dum, a deedely dum
Oh yeah
Dum dum, a deedely dum
One more time
Dum dum, a deedely dum

Ahh, I want you with me all of the time
Tell me you love me and you'll be mine
There's so many things that we could do
So say the words and make my dreams come true

Singing, dum dum, a deedely dum
Uh huh
Dum dum, a deedely dum
Sing it out
Dum dum, a deedley dum

A dum dum, a deedely dum
Sing it out
Dum dum, a deedely dum
I can't hear ya
Dum dum, a deedely dum
Oh yeah

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 12:36 PM

I've heard it many, many times since I've moved here to Idaho. It's sung by Basque shepherds as their walk herd at night. I'm told that it keeps the sheep from stampeding, attempting to get back to Wales.

It may well be an old Basque-Welsh tune dating back to when they Celts emigrated from the Iberian Pennisula to Eire and from Eire to Wales (I can't spell Cymra reliably). I will, however, call your attention to the word "dum" being used repeatedly, and the city of Dumdum in India. I'm not sure that it's a coincidence!

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 12:18 PM

Scottish mouth music. My father used to sing it. He learned it from his grandfather who was born on Mainland Orkney.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 11:56 AM

This is an Irish tune, naturally, and everyone else has stolen it.
The chorus "Dum diddle door-aye-ay" is derived from the Irish, and refers to the sound made by potatoes falling into a bucket during harvesting.

But the question remains: is it folk? I believe a wise man once said something meaningful about horses, but I seem to have conveniently forgotten what it was.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 11:27 AM

it isn't that some instruments are out of tune - it is that the "accepted" pitches for modern music have drifted from the notes are biologically and physically set by the laws of nature. Many of the "simple" instruments used especially in elementary school education are of aincient origin - and were developed speciafically because they did not require tuning.

Since the accepted values of the notes have drifted - these instruments sound "out of tune" to the modern ear.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 11:09 AM

Actually, I want to have a bunch of kids in my kindergarten class at the school for the intellectually gifted play this on instruments they stole when I took them to the New York Philharmonic Concert last week, can anybody explain why some instruments are always out of tune?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 11:08 AM

My Portuguese isn't what it should be, ClaireBear, but I'm pretty sure that last line should read,

Dumdedum Diddly do dao (Sorry, I haven't yet figured out how to do the tilde in this format.)

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:50 AM

With JennyO's mention of the falopian connections - I wonder if perhaps there is a connection to Goddess worship here?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:47 AM

I'm so excited -- I've only heard this tune as an instrumental and never knew it had words. The only trouble is, I want to sing it with a samba band, so I really need the words in Portuguese. Babelfish translated Robin's original lyrics as:

Dum de dum, do de dum diddly de dum

and Allan C's chorus as:

Diddle di dee que o dum diddle dee di dia o doodle diddle, doodle o dit de Dumdedum Diddly do doo

...and while I'm sure these are technically correct, they just don't scan quite right. Can anyone help?

Claire

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:46 AM

Thanks, JennyO,

since it seems to have a serious Australian connection, perhaps now Bob Bolton can help? I have heard it played on an ut of tune button box - not by BobB of course, - well, I mean the Button Box wasn't out of tune when BobB played it...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:41 AM

I thoought it had a German origin - should we wait for input from Wolfgang?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: JennyO
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:40 AM

I recognise it as very similar to an old Australian falloping song that I heard years ago by Ned Kelty and the Kelpies. I believe it went something like this:

Di di di dum, diddle diddle diddle dum
Diddle di day dum, diddld diddle dum
De dy de do dum do dum do
De dy de do dum do dum do

This is known as the "Rolfus Harrisus" beat.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:38 AM

I think we should all be a little cautious about this till Masato has spoken, he will have the full facts.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:33 AM

Loooks close MMario..

if we can get all the verses, I'll ask Joe Offer if he can change the title of the thread to something else...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:28 AM

Isn't the chorus derived from the old Blue Mountains (Massachusetts) song 'Can Kerdiddle' where the chorus goes...

Diddle da dee dum
Diddle dee di day
Doodle diddle, doodle doo
Dumdedum Diddly die

or is that just conincidence?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:22 AM

Well done Allan, that's helped me enormously! so far...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Allan C.
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:20 AM

The red haired banjoist was certainly none other than the woman affectionately known as "Futile" Tuning. The "Dumdedum Diddly Song" Greg Stephens mentioned above is her trademark tune. I haven't seen her for a while although I'm told "The Barroom Floor" is a likely venue where she may be seen. To the best of my recollection, the chorus was something close to:

Diddle di dee dum
Diddle dee di day
Doodle diddle, doodle doo
Dumdedum Diddly dit

Sorry, that's all I can dredge up from my deteriorating memory.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:19 AM

I thought Dean Martin recorded it, but it could have been Johny Cash or Elvis - one of his slower numbers...

Didn't Bob Dylan write it?

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:14 AM

My drinkin' buddy, Greg, wins...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:10 AM

Actually I think it was recorded by that guy who got an OBE for tuning his guitar...

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Bobjack
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:09 AM

Got it! Ace of Spades by Motorhead. Am I good or what?

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: greg stephens
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:08 AM

Sounds like the "Dumdedum Diddly Song" to me. I claim the prize.

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:03 AM

Actually, there was also this sort of solo where the guy who sings falsetto with that sound like he had grabbed his adam's apple and wobbled it.

Robin

Subject: RE: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: Big Mick
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 10:01 AM

We are good, Robin, but ............

Subject: BS: Can you identify this tune?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 09:35 AM

I dunno, I can't remember the words, cause I'd had a few too many drinks, but they were really clever - I can't seem to remember what it was about either. That big tall guy with the 12 string guitar did it, I think, or else it was that red haired lady with the banjo and the kazoo.

The tune sort of went something like

Dum de dum, de diddly de dum dum... I think...

Robin

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