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Fred Miller 23 Feb 04 - 09:17 PM
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Subject: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 09:17 PM

for various reasons I'm contemplating making an electric 1-string bass guitar out of a shovel. It needs some amping, but I suppose a washtub sort of thing might apply. I don't know anything about electric parts and works, but my boy mainly needs a bass E and maybe some sliding to do his part--his bass is a little heavy for him to stand up with long, and the kids are playing the song from "holes". Any ideas or advice?


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 09:43 PM

Yes, also get some pots and pans to bang on.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 23 Feb 04 - 11:13 PM

Did that already, Martin. You're slow, spineless, and unfunny. That's why you're so funny. I enjoy it. But in the future you might not want to interrupt when I'm talking about my kids. They'll still be smart, brave, and funny when you're dead. You're already part worm.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Cluin
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 02:07 AM

Fred, there are a group of local musicians called the Goulais River Shovel Band whose instruments (guitars, bass, etc.) are all built from shovels. They just called it quits this past fall but were doing a fair number of gigs both here and away till then. Their sound was pretty good, they say (hadn't seen thewm myself); certainly not a mere novelty act. I'll see if I can't come up with a contact e-mail address or something for you. A bandmate of mine has sat in with them in the past.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 03:49 AM

Well said Fred, some people just can't take these threads seriously, you ask for help and you get abuse, good luck with your project.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Bobjack
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 04:09 AM

I thought all bass guitars doubled up as snow shovels in the winter.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,G-String
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 05:00 AM

A friend of mine used both of the following shovels, he said they both gave a different sound but could be modified easily, can't help on the electrics.

FAITHFULL SOLID SOCKET SHOVEL Good quality carbon steel head with extra long socket for added strength. The hardwood shaft is securely riveted to the socket. Spec.2T
Description : Square Mouth with 'T' Type Hilt Shovel.
Size. 28in Shaft x 12in x 10in Blade.
Size. No.2

SOLID FORGED CONTRACTORS CABLE LAYING SHOVEL
All-steel tubular shaft with solid forged socket. Y-dee shaped handle. Blade width: 114mm at the base widening to 125mm at the top and 280mm long. Sold loose.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 07:58 AM

I might be able to just mike a washtub bass, if I can figure out setting it up to tune it. thanks.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 11:35 AM

Fred, you first might want to consider taking a bath in the washtub. it will improve the tone and make people around you happier.

As for your shovel bass, I can't dig it. I'll stick with real instruments. They make fine music, not noise.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 01:50 PM

So? Stick with them then. Sorry if I'm keeping you from it. If you'd like I'll pretend I imagine you really have an opinion. There, I did. Can anyone else help Martin? argue with him about home-made instruments for kids, or something? He needs to think he matters to people again, and I'm kinda busy.

   If you want to pick a fuss with me I'm game, but I get tired of your ringing the doorbell and running away, I get tempted to post as you in reply to me, just to make it sporting.

If you know where to get a good short-scale bass for a kid, I might still go that way. But not those Daisy girl things, they're too girly even for my girl. Not talking to you Martin. Anyone? Anyone who thinks, and therefore, is?


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: open mike
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 02:37 PM

WELL , some of the folks in Angel Fire new mexico might have ideas.
They have mastered the art of creative uses of shovels -- they race
with them, which your son could do between gigs...if there is snow...and a hill near by.shovel races and here: angel fire and: 29th annual race


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 05:07 PM

Well Fred, I'll answer you anyway, because I never ring the doorbell and run away. Also because I have a good answer for you because I know so much about this topic.

I don't know what you want to spend on a bass, and when you say short scale, I figure you are talking about an electric. Years ago, Fender made the Mustang model short scale bass which was a beautiful instrument, made in America, and quite a pro instrument. However, check into a short scale bass made by Danelectro. A real value.

Posting as me wouldn't prove anything other than your phoniness. As I have said before, I am guest Martin Gibson, an identity that only exists here. If you want to post and impersonate me, I suppose I could always register as someone like Freddie Miller, but I wouldn't do that, even just for sport.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 06:49 PM

Wasn't a plan Martin but a rhetorical figure. There are threads on the general subject of junk instruments, and if really think they're not a good idea, I think you should post there about it. The school does an arts elective in Stomp percussion so they can bang the pots and pans there, no joke.

    Those are good ideas, but as I mentioned, he has a bass, and does okay sitting. If I could find a marked improvement in the weight I might do it, but it's in the nature of them to be heavy, for sustain. Pretty sure we looked at a mustang, but it was pricey and about as heavy as the Crate he picked (I think he was excited it came with a book). A twelve string kyser capo works on a bass, for short reach, but so far it's not a big issue. For this one event he's mainly singing.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 24 Feb 04 - 08:00 PM

Havn't seen those particular shovels yet G-String, but I did see a flattish one I could set a less dangerous face onto and curve the edges. It can't be that hard, for what he needs for this one tune, could do the frets like they used to tie them on lutes. Les Paul went to Gibson with a guitar he made from a railroad tie.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 05:20 AM

A good instrument to go with the shovel bass would be a musical saw. A friend of mine from across the Atlantic - Dave Driskell of Sadie Green Sales Ragtime Jug Band plays one with a small percussion beater rather than a fiddle bow - and boy you should hear the sound he gets out of it.

Lets hope that people "dig" your sound !


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Feb 04 - 09:19 PM

I would also suggest the skin flute for this ensemble.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 09:55 AM

Martin, again, stick with what you like, but why are you bugging me about it? People are starting to think you have a crush on me, and it's embarrassing.

I knew I could get you to post something positive and useful by asking you not to, but although I had twenty bucks on it, I was still rooting for you not to be so predictable. Thanks, though.

I've recently come across some of your music posts that are actually coherent, and perfectly nice, also betraying an agreeable taste in music, and an intelligent point of view. I guess there's just something about me, and the B.S. threads generally, that makes you pop off like an idiot. Can't you think of a new joke?


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 02:00 PM

I see they've re-issued the Fender Mustang shortscale, but havent got over there to check it out yet. $400 is probably a bit much. My kid says he wants to play bass, but it's only because some girl told him the cute guy usually plays bass.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 03:25 PM

Fred

It's nothing personel believe me.

I just posted a decent reccommendation in the 12 string guitar thread.

I have been a pro musician for now over 40 years, since I was 12. Played in folk groups, country, country-rock, and bluegrass. I play guitar (I own 5 vintage acoustics), banjo, and upright or electric bass with the same pro proficiency.

As I mentioned, I have enjoyed the fine art of music since I was 12.

As far as I can tell, I have also enjoyed the fine art of bullshitting since I was 9. So I try to excel in both Mudcat sections.

All of it is pretty cool and mostly entertaining to me.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: Fred Miller
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:45 PM

Well, okay. Nothing personal but I think you're a little off-key sometimes. This ensemble is 7 and 9 year olds, so the last joke was a little off, and you've said it before. No big deal, just my sense of fitting the b.s. to the occasion.

The danelectro might actually be considerably lighter, made of masonite, I've heard. Thanks.


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Subject: RE: 1-string shovel bass guitar
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 24 Apr 04 - 12:11 AM

This was really pretty fun and easy to make, and booms like crazy. About twenty bucks.
   Pick the right shovel, with a wood cross-handle, and a workable action, fourteen bucks at an Ace Hardware retailer. You need a tuning key, and a pickup, and wires. You have to grind flat and drill the cross-handle to put in the tuning key. There's a groove in the steel handle to guide the string. Drilling the steel spade is the biggest chore. Turn an old pick-up sideways under the string so all six magnets hear it, and bolt it in place on the spade. A thinner flatter pick-up makes it easier to get the action right. The wiring is housed behing the spade in a video cassette box. The string goes through a hole in the spade. You can do control knobs if you want, but why give a kid the option of fooling with the knobs. You can place frets with key ring metal. The heavier gauge at the nut and again at the octave (to compensate for the wood-to-steel bump where the spade starts). Also, I've never seen anyone do it, but a slide helps for some bass parts. My kid likes slide sounds but they're hard on his fingers, so I gave him a glass slide to play with, metal is too noisy and dull. A shiny pickguard is nice.
   There's more you could do, but by then you've found a pretty light Peavey, and there aren't THAT many songs that involve digging with a shovel.


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