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Obit: Pastor Jack Glass

Tam the Bam (Nutter) 26 Feb 04 - 12:57 PM
weerover 26 Feb 04 - 01:09 PM
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GUEST,Van 26 Feb 04 - 01:38 PM
weerover 26 Feb 04 - 02:40 PM
Big Tim 26 Feb 04 - 02:57 PM
GUEST,Winger 26 Feb 04 - 04:36 PM
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akenaton 27 Feb 04 - 04:29 PM
Tam the Bam (Nutter) 29 Feb 04 - 10:17 AM
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GUEST,sorefingers 02 Mar 04 - 08:17 AM
Tam the Bam (Nutter) 02 Mar 04 - 11:13 AM
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ard mhacha 03 Mar 04 - 04:05 AM
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Subject: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 12:57 PM

Paster Jack Glass was a Scottish minster who had very extreme views on life. he would of hated the Mel Gibson film, he would be outside the picture house protesting against it.

However it's sad when a person wither you agree or disagree with his views dies.
Ian Pailsley thought that he was too extreame.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: weerover
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 01:09 PM

Tam the Bam said it; Ian Paisley (yes, Ian Paisley) thought Jack Glass was too extreme. 'Nuff said.

wr


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 01:18 PM

The Scotsman Obit:

Pastor Jack Glass dies of cancer visited on him 'by Satan' from news.scotsman.com

Text of article replaced by link. --JoeClone, 1-Mar-04.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: GUEST,Van
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 01:38 PM

Tam
I don't subscribe to your theory that it is always sad when someone dies. There are people whose passing has made the world a better place - Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Although not in their league one less religious bigot in Scotland is an improvement.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: weerover
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 02:40 PM

I don't think it's necessarily appropriate to take pleasure in the death of Jack Glass. Most of his targets, religious and secular, were relatively unaffected by his tirades because they were so extreme that few people took him seriously, simply regarding him as a bit of a nutter. On the other hand he obviously enjoyed what he was doing, so nobody lost out.


wr.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: Big Tim
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 02:57 PM

The poor man was obviously deranged: not a happy chappie. I have sympathy for anyone in that position. Fortunately though, he had very little support.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: GUEST,Winger
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:36 PM

Fascinating though the demise of the old tosser may be, surely this thread belongs in the non-music sector?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 26 Feb 04 - 11:18 PM

I agree with Winger. I don't think anything was more full of BS than Pastor Jack. There ought to be a song in it somewhere tho!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 07:52 AM

He used to 'picket' Billy Connolly's concerts. Billy used to say on stage that he would picket his church if he could find it !!!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Feb 04 - 04:29 PM

There's a great song by Peter Nardini...."Laurence Orange and Eugene Green" Which takes the piss in a kindly way out of the Pastor.
Peter is a great talent, and very underrated.
His CD "Is anybody out there", is a cracker....Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:17 AM

I don't agree with what those people did, however I tihnk it is sad when someone dies, because those people were someone's father, husband, brother etc.
And how do you think those people felt when a loved one dies.

But that's up to you.

Tam frae Saltcoats Scotland


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Subject: RE: Obit: Paster Jack Glass
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 05:34 AM

Only exception Tam may be when Maggie Thatcher pops it. I think there may be some rejoicing


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: wysiwyg
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 06:09 PM

Well, when an ass**le dies it is sad that they cannot learn from life, any longer, and perhaps do better.

~S~


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Mar 04 - 07:17 PM

Susan ...you should be more carefull in your use of language.
Scotland has a culture brimming over with sectarian arseholes.The pastor was simply a product of that "culture".
Basically, there is something rotten at the heart of Scottish society, and it will ensure that we never achieve our National potential...Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 08:17 AM

Anyone who could live like that must have been happy to be so far away from what he hated the most.

On a lighter note, G_d is Jewish; so, I guess the Pastor would be welcome after meeting the spirit of a dead Rabbai who needs to explain something.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:13 AM

Margraret Thatcher was someone' daughter as I hate her but when she dies I will shed a tear and say that's sad but then throw a big party.

Because when she dies she will die on a holiday in Britian, why a holiday because when she dies everyone should be given the day/week off work to rejoice.

'the wicked witch is dead' I just can't for that day to come.

Any tories out there I'm only kidding well a wee bit anyway.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: wysiwyg
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:38 AM

ake, my comment was general, not specific to the individual named in this thread, in response to some of the philosophical comments about people in general.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:05 AM

So according to Akenaton, "Scotland has a culture brimming over with sectarian arseholes", the Loyalist drug barons for years used Scotland as a bolt-hole. The same loyalists have been supplied by Scottish Loyalists with, funds,and guns, witness the number of Loyalists who have been sentenced in Scottish Courts.
And yet I have been castigated on this Site for pointing this out.
Jack Glass had many sympathisers in the north of Ireland, he was warmly welcomed anytime he visited his Loyalists friends.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: GUEST,Van
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:04 AM

Scotland does not have a culture of sectarianism. I am a Scot I have lived in the borders, I have lived in the highlands, to my grief I now live in the central belt. There there is an imported secterianism which has come from Northern Ireland. I work for an employer (a government department) where this sectarianism determines your career. By and large I believe that you should hold your beliefs and let others hold theirs. The hatred people have her is hardly compatible with the beliefs they profess to hold. Ultimately it's the same Book we read.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:19 AM

Van I agree, I know what it it to have your religion used as an excuse for someones hatred.
You should stay well clear of the towns along the south-west coast, I know them to be on a par, or a lot worse that the Glagow area.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: GUEST,Van
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 12:39 PM

ard - I find it's such a shame. So many people judging each other in such a way. Not being seen for your abilities. There's a girl in my office - she wants promoted - now she wears a crucifix. Fair enough wear one but to do that when that's not your belief is bad news to me. Before she wore a Heart's medalion - beat that.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:20 PM

Van, You can pass on a wee bit of advice to the the lassie in your office who is after promotion. Tell her to forget about her medallions and try doing a take-off of Sharon Stone in Basic Instint, she`ll have nae bither getting promotion. I know the wee Pastor wouldn`t have approved but he wouldn`t hae turned up his nose.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Jim McLean
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 05:08 PM

I finally left Scotland to live in London many years ago .. basically because I wanted to write a republican LP and no one in the scottish scene would or could tolerate that. Years later and after many recorded songs I returned for Dominic Behan's funeral. Afterwards I was in comapany with Janet McGinn (Matt's widow), Norman and Janey Buchan, Gordon McCulloch, the singer/banjo player. It didn't take long before the conversation was dominated by Glasgow/Rangers songs and jokes. I'm afraid I left in total disgust and sadness in discovering that Scotland hadn't moved on in 40 years.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:12 PM

A brave post Jim...Thanks for saying the unsayable,that the sectarian virus even afflicts the greats of "Folk music", people who should be far above such filth.
I myself have no religion,but my wife and I once found ourselves in a country restaurant,sitting at the next table were a group of Glasgow Rangers directors and their wives,for about half an hour we sat listening to the most obscene sectarian "jokes"and stories,the wives being the worst offenders. We are no prudes,but were so sickened,we had to leave before we could finish our meal.
I have always viewed sectarianism as the biggest barrier to Scottish nationhood....Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: akenaton
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:25 PM

Just let me say to ard mhacha..There has existed in Scotland for over one hundred years an anti Catholic sentiment ,that has more to do with the history of that religion in Scotland,than anything which has happened in Northern Ireland.
There is no doubt,that for many years the officials of the RC church terrorised the poor people whom they were supposed to protect.
My grandfather told me stories of priests extorting money from folk who could hardly feed themselves...Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 05:57 AM

Your grandfather was telling the truth, but thankfully we have moved on, the Church is in rapid decline, most of the young people now are drifting away.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Teribus
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 06:07 AM

Taking a look at ard mhacha's first post, the following struck me, substitute the USA for Scotland and Republican/Nationalist for Loyalist and it still rings true:

"ard mhacha - PM
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:05 AM

So according to Akenaton, "Scotland has a culture brimming over with sectarian arseholes", the Loyalist drug barons for years used Scotland as a bolt-hole. The same loyalists have been supplied by Scottish Loyalists with, funds,and guns, witness the number of Loyalists who have been sentenced in Scottish Courts."

The only thing you, quite rightly IMO, get castigated for ard, is your complete and utter inability to view things objectively, let alone, admit to any possible failing, fault or responsibility of the part of the Nationalist/Republican side - and believe me, looking at the whole sorry mess objectively, there were plenty of them.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Big Tim
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 09:50 AM

Re the plague of sectatianism: integrating the state schools, and taking religion completely out of them, would be a good start.

Interesting to note that one of the founder members of Celtic Football Club was a man called John (Jack) Glass.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: weerover
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 09:57 AM

Amen to what Big Tim said, and I say that as a product of the Catholic school system and as a former chairman of the school board of a Catholic school who was castigated by local clergy for my views.

wr.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:46 PM

For almost 100 years from its foundation as a football club, Glasgow Rangers never played a Catholic player, the man who changed all of this was a Scot, Graham Souness who when he was appointed Manager blew the secterian cobwebs away with the signing of Maurice Johnson a Catholic
Johnson`s signing led to uproar among the Rangers fans, some Supporters Clubs decided to no longer support the Rangers.

Andy Goran the Rangers goalkeeper was pictured in the national press arm -in -arm with convicted Loyalist murderers, also around that time a Lawyer a member of the Rangers staff was also pictured in the national press at a Rangers party where it was reported he participated in the singing of Loylaist songs.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Big Tim
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 01:42 PM

Rangers were not founded as a Protestant club. They were just another local district club (in the west end, not Ibrox), attracting crowds of around only 2000. In 1888 Celtic were founded as a Catholic, but not sectarian, team. Their first game was against Rangers and the match had no sectarian connotations and was played in a normal, friendly, non-sectarian atmosphere: the players and management of both teams going for a meal together afterwards.

Gradually, as Celtic became more and more identifield as a Catholic team, for example bringing over Michael Davitt, a convicted Fenian, with shamrocks from Donegal, Protestants reckoned that they needed their own team and so they gravitated towards Rangers. They then took it to extremes.

As for Andy Goram, everyone knows he's an idiot.

BTW Davitt's a particular hero of mine, the greatest Irishman of the 19th century, but at that time and place it would be a bit similar to having Gerry Adams over to do the job today.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Jim McLean
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:05 PM

I heard a story from a friend of mine who played for Celtic. Jock Stein, the Celtic manager, seemingly said that if there were two players to choose from and one was Catholic (the better player) and the other Protestant, he would choose the protestant because Rangers would never choose the remaining Catholic player!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:24 PM

Tim....why pick out Andy Goram for censure?...All sectarians are idiots!!
Teribus..I dont quite agree with your conclusions in equating Republicans with Propestant sectarians.
Republicans are politicians, and as such use sectarianism as a "tool of their trade",in much the same way as the Unionists do.
In my opinion these people are much more worthy of vilification than mere "idiots"...Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Big Tim
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 04:29 PM

Ake, it was Ard who first picked on poor old Andy.

Actually the thing that really frightens me is - Barcelona.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 05:30 AM

Tim don`t forget the Lawyer on the Rangers staff, was he another idiot?.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 06:05 AM

Good heavens Ard,

This Lawyer was reportedly participating, "...in the singing of Loylaist songs." Hanging crime is it? Does that constitute the prove point positive of bigotry? If it does in your opinion, then balance it up - exactly the same could be claimed for singing Nationalist/Republican/Rebel songs. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the Gander.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: weerover
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 07:23 AM

Teribus,

The main thrust of what you say is correct: neither side in the sectarian mess is above reproach. However, the particular song being sung by the lawyer in question includes the phrase "...we're up to our knees in Fenian blood...", which I think most would feel goes well beyond what is acceptable.

wr.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 02:40 PM

That is the beautiful melody this member of the Rangers staff was singing, if it was as innocent as Teribus says, why was the man suspended from the Rangers staff?.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Big Tim
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 02:41 PM

John Burrowes' recent book "Irish [the Irish Catholics in Scotland]", Mainstream, 2003, £14.99, is a very balanced and readable account of many of the topics touched on on this Thread. Here's his summary of Ard's "lawyer" friend!

"The leading criminal lawyer Donald Findlay, QC, had been caught up to his knees in it, as it were, when a sneaky video of him was shot singing his heart out with the most virulent of sectarian songs at a post match celebration of his cherished football club Glasgow Rangers. The disclosures of the video brought considerable disgrace to Mr Findlay and cost him a £3500 fine imposed by his fellows of the Faculty of Advocates [barristers] for 'professional misconduct and behaviour unbecoming to his role.' He resigned his esteemed post as Vice Chairman of Rangers FC and issued an 'unreserved apology' for his behaviour. It was interesting to note that in making his aoplogy, Mr Findlay paid tribute to the 'many hundreds' of Celtic supporters who had gone out of their way to express their sympathy with his embarrassing situation".

Pot - kettle!

The book also contains interesting interviews with Pat Crerand (Celtic and Manchester United footballer), Michael Kelly (ex-Glasgow Provost) and the boxer John 'Cowboy' McCormack.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 02:59 PM

Tim, I see the Celtic support were honoured by the European Football Federation,as the best behaved and sporting fans in Europe, I presume they were awarded this honour for being " up to their necks in Orange blood?. Pot-Kettle, my ass.
From Davitt planted the sod on Celtic`s ground away back in the 1880s, Rangers never had a Catholic on their books.
Each player was vetted as to his religion before he signed for Rangers, I remember Willie Morgan telling the tale of the Rangers scout calling to his home and on viewing the Catholic icons on the wall of his home, the scout beat a hasty retreat.
Celtics sucess throughout the late 1960s and 70s resulting in their magnificent feat of winning 9 Championships in-a-row, and also adding the European Cup, was the warning light to Rangers and when gutsy Graham Souness came along he dragged them screaming into the twentieth century when he signed Maurice Johnson their first Catholic, and they never looked back.
Secterianism was never contemplated by Celtic, they were more interested in the players ability than his religion.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Jim McLean
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 03:54 PM

Bigotry has no boundaries. The same Celtic football player I mentioned in an earlier post was also a very good singer and I produced a few LPs with him as singer. On one occasion the Musical Director (also a Catholic, by the way) suggested one song required a flute accompaniment. 'Never on my LP!' said our friend. 'Unless he plays it this way (like a clarinet) but not this way!' (sideways, parallel to the shoulder!!


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 04:21 PM

Jim that is strange, all of the Flautists in our local Ceoltas all play parallel to the shoulder, maybe that`s why they sound so off key.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: akenaton
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 05:21 PM

I have to laugh at the present position of the Rangers board,pompously condemning their support for sectarianism,but its not that long ago that the club produced an official recording by the Rangers team containing ALL the old party favourites,including the Sash.   Of course at that time it was in the clubs' interests to promote bigotry to get more committed soldiers through the turnstyles.
Its just capitalism doing its job!!
As for the origional question as to the character of Jack Glass. I heard him say many times that he had nothing personal against ordinary people who happened to be Catholic. His vitriol was reserved for the organisation known as the Catholic Church,whom he referred to as "Satanic". A view which seems to have been borne out by events like child molestation by priests ,cruelty by nuns,and widespread homosexuality. Not to mention the political and social stance taken by successive leaders.
We must look inside ourselves before branding a person wholly bad for speaking their minds....Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Big Tim
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 03:08 AM

re pot/kettle: Celtic fans and IRA chants? My brother in Donegal gave up travelling on his local CSC bus to Glasgow for this reason: disgust at the mindlessness of it all. Of course the sectarianism exhibited by some Rangers fans is equally contemptible.

About half of Scottish Catholics now favour integrated schools. However even this might not be enough, a recent study in Northern Ireland found some children exhibiting sectarian traits at the age of three.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Jim McLean
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 04:54 AM

Ard mhacha, I quite agree but this was primarily a Glasgow man, twice removed from his Irish origins and didn't really know much about traditional music. To him, a flute played parallel to the shoulder was a symbol of the Orange Order. It was very funny at the time of utterance.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 06:14 AM

And is it not now time we buried the wee pastor, he has had more publicity on this Thread than he would have ever imagined.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: Tam the Bam (Nutter)
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 08:31 AM

All I did was say it was sad that he died, I didn't mean to a place were people talked about Rangers or Celtic and the Orange order of the Kights of St Columba, what the hell have these things got to do with a dead paster.

Tam the bam Frae Saltcoats Scotland


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Subject: RE: Obit: Pastor Jack Glass
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 01:15 PM

Well Tam you should know the Mudcat by now.


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