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Subject: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,dick greenhaus Date: 26 Feb 04 - 04:30 PM Oops- hit the wrong button. Anyway, CAMSCO has just received an OK to sell the digital edition of Child's English and Scottish Popular Ballads on CD. This consists of two CDs: 1., a fully searchable and printable text with new essays, new maps and a gazetteer, MIDI files, and annotation, index and glossary hyperlinks; and 2., an audio CD (pop it in your stereo) containing new music tracks and interviews with outstanding contemporary interpreters, preservers, and collectors of the living song traditions. Full ballad performances from Jean Ritchie, Martin Carthy, Joan Baez, Louis Killen, Roberts & Barrand, Heather Wood, Anita Best, Archie Fisher, Heather Heywood, the Patons, and others. This edition, at this time, is a PC-only single-user edition. For details, check out heritagemuse.com It is IMHO a major step forward in folklore publications. As has been the case in the past, I'm trying to find out how many folk are interested before I quote a price. The more volume, the lower the price to me and the greater the discount (from the publisher's price of $125 + shipping) I can provide. Please PM me, or call at 800/548-FOLK (3655) or E-mail me at dick@camsco.com I wish I could just place a large order and hope for sales, but frankly there's no way I can lay out the cash.
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: katlaughing Date: 26 Feb 04 - 07:42 PM WOW! |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 26 Feb 04 - 08:12 PM David Kleiman and Heather Wood will be guests on my radio program TRADITIONS this Sunday February 29. They will discuss this new electronic edition of the Child Ballads, share some songs from the CD, and I might be able to get them to perform a couple of songs in the studio. If you are in the NYC area you can tune in at 89.1FM or you can listen in via the internet through our website at www.wfdu.fm. Heather and David gave me a sneak preview of this new edition last summer. It is amazing. The fully searchable text enables instant access to the entire collection (beats looking through all the volumes!) and the annotation adds great insight into the ballads. This is a must for anyone with interest in the collection. The price is well worth it! |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 26 Feb 04 - 09:53 PM I can hardly imagine you, my pecunerous, little KitKat, buying!!! (In grammer-school...you should have learned...it is wrong to be a Dick0-Tease) But then again...an old man may seek small pleasures.
Nor, will I buy.
The texts are searchable through e-libraries....(my greatest interest area)the tunes, for those I desire, are available on-line in multiple formats....through multiple free sources....Baez, Ritchie, Carter, etc.
Mr. Greenhouse....in this case....I believe the packaging party "missed the sweet-spot" of the market for his product....between three and ten years previous it might have been a hot item.
Unless, it offers NEW academic commentary, or journal excerpts....why buy? It is not a "Long Steel Rail" nor "Ozarks" nor "North Carolina" nor "Blow Out the Candle."
Sincerely, |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 26 Feb 04 - 10:08 PM Gargoyle- I forgive the spelling (pecunious and Greenhaus), but I do think that you're wrong about the benefits of a searchable database version of what is perhaps the basic work in the field of folk music. In any case, I'm not trying to push this edition--I'd just like to make it available to interested parties at a lower price. I do the same thing with books--if a half-dozen people say they want a book, I can usually offer it at a substantial discount. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 26 Feb 04 - 11:22 PM Gargoyle, I assume that you checked out their website and understand what the product offers? From what I've seen there are some of the items that you seem to think it is missing. The fact that is also has the information in one spot, instead of "multiple sources" as you mention makes it a unique product. There are numerous essays (many are new), a unique series of maps that link the places named in the song and give more historical information, the ability to print out the songs, midi files to hear the songs, and again it is organized so that you do not have to spend ours searching the internet for the free sites. I realize it is not for everyone. The price may put it out of reach for some. However, it is a very attractive package for those who would desire to save time and spend it studying the works of Child. I have not purchased a copy yet, and I do not have a stake in this company. I was impressed by the demo I was shown last year and I have invited David and Heather to come on my show to talk about it. I will certainly bring up some of the issues you have mentioned, because they are valid. Ron |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Sandy Paton Date: 27 Feb 04 - 01:34 AM Keep in mind: Only a year ago, people were eagerly paying more than twice the price of this complete and searchable edition of the Child Ballads to obtain soiled and dog-eared copies of the five volume Dover paperback edition. Folk-Legacy is also selling this superb digital edition, but only at list price, I fear. I hope Dick can offer a better deal by being able to buy it in some quantity. If you simply can't wait for Dick's Camsco discount offer, we have copies on hand right now -- not many, but a few. As for me, personally, I'm anxious to get my hands of the Macintosh friendly version as soon as it's available. We cyberklutzes need all the help we can get. Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,MMario Date: 27 Feb 04 - 08:33 AM Dick - wish I could say "I'll take one" - and eventually I will - but can't commit at the moment. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:06 PM Dick
What is a "large order"????
What is the possible "discount" to members? i.e.
My experience has been...buy from the original source...if the CD skips...they have 1000 more in inventory to replace....the intermediary....just sucks it up....and makes excuses.
Sincerely,
Mr. Greenhaus....I am not being rude....and SINCERELY appreciate your-own-personal and Susan's contributions to the community. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 27 Feb 04 - 10:10 PM Nope...don't take this as a solicitation....nor an offer to buy.
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 27 Feb 04 - 11:58 PM Gargoyle- You have an inflated view of the profits we intermediaries make. I can't get 10 copies of the Digital Child for $100 each--and I'll be damned if I'll sell at a loss. And everything I sell is guaranteed. Feel free to purchase from the source. It's not going to make much difference to my financial situation either way. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 29 Feb 04 - 10:49 AM refresh |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 01 Mar 04 - 11:18 AM REfreshing, because I think it's important. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 01 Mar 04 - 12:00 PM One of the items that David and Heather mentioned during their visit on my show yesterday was the fact that this Digitial Edition is part of a series that will digitally reproduce the works of other collections AND once they are loaded onto a PC you will have the ability to cross-reference ballads between multiple sources. David also has added NEW academic commentary and the features mentioned above. SOME of the material can be cross referenced through various websites, but this can be a time consuming task and it can be quite frustrating. The Digital edition references all the works collectively, and if in one of the later volumes Child discovered some information to a ballad that appeared in an earlier volume, you can now reference ALL the information with a few simple keystrokes. I am not a spokesman for David, but I think this is a wonderful product that will be of great assistance to those interested in serious study of folk music as well as people looking for a "guide" through the works. The Digital Edition works on many levels. if anyone is interested in learning more you can check out their website at www.heritagemuse.com Ron Olesko |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 02 Mar 04 - 09:37 PM Dick....I hope you have posted the offering to the handful of legit FOLK/newsgroup sites left on the net.
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 02 Mar 04 - 10:40 PM Maybe I'm "educationally poor"... what is "MC"??? Modern Consumer? Master of Ceremonies? Media Clown? Myron Cohen? |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Desert Dancer Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:25 PM MudCat, I believe, Ron. :-) ~ Becky in Tucson |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Sorcha Date: 03 Mar 04 - 01:09 AM So, is there at least a base line price so I can try to decide? |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 03 Mar 04 - 10:45 AM ahhhh... the obvious answer!!! I hate speaking in abrv. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,MMario Date: 03 Mar 04 - 10:56 AM the base line would be $125 plus shipping - (right?) with a possiblility of lower. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:35 AM It will definitely be somewhat lower--most likely price (depending on number of orders) would be $110-115. Not a grand discount, but I don't get much of a break either. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,.gargoyle Date: 03 Mar 04 - 10:57 PM Dick...just playing "Devil's Advocate".....
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:00 AM Dunno about relative value. DigiTrad set out to be a songbook, and that's what it's remained. And DigiTrad started with the "free to all" concept and that's what it's remained. And always will. Of course, this requires a lot of time and a few idiots who are willing to do all the work in return for a warm fuzzy feeling. Is the digital Child worth the money? To me it is--I'm buying a copy. As is Susan. What's a five-volume book worth, especially one with a severely limited audience? Paperback mysteries are selling for $11; hard-cover textbooks are selling for $75 or more. The argument about production costs after the initial work is done holds for hard copy as well as for digital copies. The digital Child, even at list price, is selling for the same price as the Dover reprint, and for a bit less than tha Loomis House edition in soft-cover (I am also buying the Loomis House edition--it supplements, rather than replaces the digital one IMO). Remember, the digital version also comes with an audio CD which, if sold separately would fetch $15-20. It's certainly not for everyone. At the same time, it's certainly not a rip-off. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:17 AM Dick: Are you still able to offer the Loomis House hardcover Child volumes at a slight discount? If so, do you have any idea when the third volume will become available? I, too, think the BOOKS are a worthy sepplement to the digital edition from Heritage Muse. I'm old enough to remain more comfortable reading a book that a computer monitor screen. Slow to learn new tricks, that is. Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,Sandy Paton Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:20 AM Please read "supplement" in my previous note. What the hell has happened to my errant cookie? |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Lighter Date: 04 Mar 04 - 07:19 AM Dick, if you can set aside a copy of the CD edition for me, I'll start saving my pennies today for an April 15 purchase. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 04 Mar 04 - 12:07 PM Sandy- Yes, CAMSCO is still selling Loomis ($32.50 Hard cover, $23.50 softcover.) I'm told volume III will be out sometime this spring. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Don Firth Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:28 PM Dick, I blush to say that I haven't actually dealt with CAMSCO before, and somehow or another I'm not sure what it's all about. I feel like an idiot! Anyway, put my name on the list. How do I go about it? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 04 Mar 04 - 05:02 PM Hi Don- CAMSCO seems to be one of the better-kept secrets among folkdom. CAMSCO Music is, essentially, a retailer of folk and folkish music--primarily CDs, but also books, videos and whatever. My prices are always competitive with the big boys such as Amazon--and there'll be a real person with a fair amount of information at the other end of 800/548-3655. Over the past few years , I've (CAMSCO is a one-man shop) tried to act as a sort of ombudsman for folkies who want specific books or (now) CD-Roms. If enough people are interested, I can order a quantity at a discounted price, and sell to those people at a reduced price. So far, I've been selling the Loomis House Edition of Child, the Sodom-Laurel Album, Classic English Folk Songs, Still Growing, and a couple of others. CAMSCO's motto has been "If It's Folk, We'll get it for you". I'll be quoting a price for the digital Child within a few days. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Don Firth Date: 04 Mar 04 - 05:33 PM Great! I'll stay tuned. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: GUEST,Sandy Paton Date: 04 Mar 04 - 11:01 PM Camsco is more than Dick has admitted. Whenever Folk-Legacy geets a request for a particular song that isn't in the Folk-Legacy catalog, or a recording from some totally obscure label, we send 'em to Dick. He has never let us down, and we've sent him some requests from 'way out in left field. If he ain't got it, he'll get it for you. And if you don't know where to find it, he'll find it for you. Plus, and this is important, he'll give you a decent price once he locates the item you're looking for. Disclaimer: aside from making use of his search skills and buying a lot of traditional music CDs from him, I have no connection with Camsco. I can't imagine, however, giving my trade to Amazon when one of our own Mudcatters can match their CD prices, usually, and then gives a small percentage to help support the 'Cat. I'm glad you asked about Camsco, Don. It gave me a chance to spout off. Sandy |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Big Mick Date: 04 Mar 04 - 11:56 PM Don, I can vouch for all Sandy says about CAMSCO, and the same goes for Folk Legacy. Dick has my credit card number on permanent file (hahahaha), because every so often I find myself needing something that is obscure, some tune I heard that I just have to have. I just drop Dick a line, and voila, the book, CD or whatever it was I was looking for shows up. He is completely dependable and a very valuable source of knowledge. The man is a resource all on his own. I highly recommend his services. And while you are at it, stop over to Folk Legacy. I am saving my pennies to get the whole damn collection, like Joe Offer did. Caroline and Sandy have the ability to do custom CD's and have some of the most amazing field recordings available. Aside from the fact that I love these folks like my own family, they are another incredible resource for the folk community. All the best, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Mar 04 - 08:35 AM Aw shucks, folks. Thanx for the kind words. I'd just like to point out that CAMSCO is also a source for easy to find CDs--again at competitive prices. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Mar 04 - 05:43 PM OK- Unless I get a last-minute flurry of orders (which might lower the price by about $5.00), the digital Child set will cost $115 (including postage) for US customers; $112 (plus postage) for all others. If you're sure you'll want it, but can't buy it immediately, please let me know ASAP--I can afford to lay out money for a couple of extra copies to keep in stock for a while. My discount, though, is based on how many units I oreder at one time, so that orders placed after my initial one will likely cost more per copy. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Richard Bridge Date: 07 Mar 04 - 06:38 PM Dick, I can't afford it but Childs with the tunes in a form I can hear them rather than have to fight with dots - Put me down for one definite please and PM me how I can effectively pay you from UK: pack with customs declaration as "non-copyright personal gift" - or all hell breaks loose at UK customs. Also, can you locate a copy of that Mel Bay book mentioned in my thread about DIxieland Band in the Sky and if so what price? Gargoyle - remember once before I started a thread entitled "Has Gargoyle got piles"? What make you act like this? What is your real problem and how can it best be addressed? You have my real name here. My approximate location is on the mudcat. Turn up at my house. I won't chain the dogs up. I might leave the chainsaw ticking over. Bring an instrument, some booze, and give me warning, and I have an argumentative musician friend who could make it a possibly rewarding evening. Can you sing? You might be a lot of fun in person - but on this forum you do tend to come across as uncouth. |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: Don Firth Date: 08 Mar 04 - 12:13 PM Dick, I'm definitely in. Credit card in hand. How do I proceed? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Digital Child from CAMSCO From: dick greenhaus Date: 08 Mar 04 - 12:40 PM To place an order: a)Call me (toll free) at 800/548-FOLK (3655) US or Canada OR b) E-mail me. I don't have a secure site, but if you send half the credit card info in a PM (or E-mail) and the second half in a second E-mail, there should be no security problem. My E-mail URL is dick@camsco.com |
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