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Free tunes and a favour

kitchen piper 02 Mar 04 - 11:20 AM
Amos 02 Mar 04 - 11:22 AM
The Villan 02 Mar 04 - 12:33 PM
treewind 02 Mar 04 - 01:10 PM
kitchen piper 02 Mar 04 - 03:20 PM
open mike 02 Mar 04 - 03:25 PM
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kitchen piper 03 Mar 04 - 06:31 AM
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Subject: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:20 AM


Hi!
I'd just like to quickly, before getting into the body of this post, make a plea. Please don't flame me or troll me, this is just a simple request.

I am doing some action research and I have (probably very foolishly) chosen to do it on learning pipe tunes and ICT. I have created a site with four different tunes and delivered it in four different ways. I am a smallpiper, so I have presented pipe tunes, but I'd really, really love to see what other instrumentalists make of the tunes, so please don't be put off, give them a go!

All I'd like you to do is to have a go at the four tunes and then mail me back some feedback on each of them. I have four different research questions for you to answer.

I know that I lay myself wide open for critisicm and flaming, but I am going ahead with this anyway! The quality of the site is basic and I have made one or two slips in my own playing, but I was under a time constraint.

I'm more than happy to put the website on a disc and send it to you if speed of internet is a problem. I'd rather do that than people didn't try. So just drop me a line!

CLICK HERE TO ENTER!

Thank you so much in advance!

:-))
Vicki

PS It's best viewed in Internet Explorer


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: Amos
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 11:22 AM

I don't get why anyone should flame you for trying to purusue a musical research project, Vicki!!

A


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: The Villan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 12:33 PM

Vicki
I am not a musician, so I can't help you there.

I had a quick look at your site. You appear to have made a nice job of it. Not sure if dialup users will be too keen on the download time, but as you said, you can send a cd.

One point that I think is worthy of comment, is that Broadband Dialup looks like one hyperlink, not two. Took me a bit of time to sus that one out.
I don't have Broadband and first of all thought, "Well this is no good for me".
It might have been better to have boxes around each word. Not sure if that will cost you too much time.

Good luck on your project.


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: treewind
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:10 PM

Maybe I'm thick but there's not much in the way of instructions.
... OK - mid-composing this message some of it has downloaded.

So each of the four quarter-sections has an intro and count in, and then I'm supposed to play along with it... Is the idea that I then do the same with the half sections, then with the whole A music and whole B music, and then the whole tune?

I think at least a hint as to what order to download and play the bits in would be in order.

It's a great idea though - I'll continue and report back (don't hold your breath, this may take time)

I have to say that the quickest way for me to learn the tunes would be to grab the excellent dots which I spotted last week on your other site - I certainly get off to a quicker start by reading music, but that's me, I appreciate that's not the object of the excercise...

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:20 PM

Oooh, ok, yup, uhuh.
Comments taken on board.
I'll do some rearranging and stuff and put some more instructions, you're right!
Cheers!
:-))
Vicki


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: open mike
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:25 PM

what's ICT?


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: open mike
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:28 PM

what did you mean to say here:?

"The Questions

1. What did the you do?
2. What did the you learn?
3. Was it worthwhile?"

edit this and it might make sense!!


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:38 PM

Ah, yes, that was mentioned (thanks!)
Well, these are the questions that my tutor gave to me as part of the six research questions. (The other three are for me to answer). I did think them odd, so I am going to change them I think. I can see that the questions do work.

1. What did you do? I learnt the tune, by listening.
2. What did you learn? I learnt how to play the tune.
3. Was it worth while? Yay, it was a lovely tune.

So the answers that you give me are important, in that it's a broad question and the way you interpret that interesting and part of the analysis.

However, my tutor is rather verbose and an academic and I'm just a piper, so I'll change them! How about;

Referring each question to each tune;

1. Did you find the tune easy to learn?
2. Did you manage to learn the tune, did you learn anything other than just a tune?
3. Was it worth while? Do you wish more tunes were available like this?

Make any more sense?


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: The Villan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:41 PM

ICT

Information and Computer Technology


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:42 PM

ICT = Information Communication Technology
Posh word for computing I think.
:-))
Vicki


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: treewind
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:58 PM

Or a posh word for teaching.
Or the same (non technical) skills that (f'rinstance) makes a web site useable, with all that human-interface psychology stuff.

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: The Villan
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 04:39 PM

Is it a bit like Folk Music and World Music then?


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:31 AM

Morning!
ok, I've had a play around and I've added a bit of description to my questions. I've added a few more instructions on what to do and I've taken out the broadband dialup words and put in the file size instead.
How's that for efficiency?
I did mean it about sending out disks, even to the states, so please do ask!

I purposefully left out the dots from the first two tunes as I wanted to see if people missed them, but I will put them in again if everyone reckons it's needed! Just say the word!

:-))
Vicki

Visit the site!!!


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 11:35 AM

OK, after much furious typing I have made my second round of alterations. The CDrom is ready to send out to the people that I have promised it to.

All feedback welcome!

http://intra.ultralab.net/~vicki/masters/welcome.html

Thanks!

:-))
Vicki


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 01:50 PM

How do you write in blue? And, for that matter, why do you write in blue?


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 01:57 PM

<font color="blue">


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: treewind
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:01 PM

She writes in green sometimes !

One way is

<SPAN STYLE="color: green">
this text is in green
</SPAN>

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: Amos
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:15 PM


Thanks Anahata -- I hadn't known about the SPAN STYLE container. Learn somp'n every day!

A

The Bold Maroon!

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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: Tinker
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 03:05 PM

Vicki, this could be very dangerous to my housekeeping schedule !!!Just being nosey, cause I play the guitar, not the pipes,& don't read dots worth talking about... but I did figure out the first two measures of Golden Birches and play along before I realized I needed to get back to the real world... I'll keep you posted. Maybe there will be more time tonite.

Kathy


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 06:52 PM

Hi!
I chose blue, well, just because I could really, no reason. Looks nice.<font color=blue> is what I use.
Thank you so much for looking at the site! I uploaded my changes, but the server hasn't made those changes yet. Sigh. I'll try and get them rendered properly by tomorrow.
Thanks again!
:-))
Vicki


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 08:20 AM

Hi!
I'm at the stage of writing up my findings now for these tunes. I was just wondering specifically about the problems that people had in accessing it. If you could just let me know what operating system you're on and what speed of connection and if you had a problem. That would be great!
Incase you didn't get to the site, but would like to try again.

It's here!

It's not too late to give it a go. I'm still wading through the literature review!

Cheers

:-))
Vicki


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: kitchen piper
Date: 02 May 04 - 11:48 AM

Hi!
Final straight now; data analysis.
I have some questions for you guys, so here they are for you;

I know that you guys are mostly PC, so this may have caused problems, so that is going to be part of the questions. Don't worry if you didn't actually try any tunes, just give me feedback on whether the tunes looked easier play. In fact any feedback at all is good, it doesn't matter what you write, ie I didn't try to the tune, but it looked funky. It's all good feedback for my assignment!

OK, here we go.

Techy Type Questions:
1. Did you manage to get the site to work?
2. What operating system are you running?
3. Did you have to install quicktime?
4. Did you give up quite easily?

Music Type Questions:
(Only if you got the site to work!)
1. Did you give the tunes a go?
2. Did you manage to learn any of them?
3. Did you just look at the site and dabble at a tune?
4. Did you sit down and really try to learn each tune?
5. Which tune was easiest to learn?
6. Which tune looked like it might have been easy to learn?
7. If you're not a piper, did it put you off having the tunes taught on the pipes?

Other Questions:
1. What instrument do you play?
2. Do you read music?

Cheers!
:-))
Vicki

Tunes website: click here!
Band site: click here!


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Subject: RE: Free tunes and a favour......
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 May 04 - 08:18 PM

Looks pretty anyway. It's too late to play the tunes tonight, but I look forward to having a go - this seems an excellent way to use the Mudcat. And I've learnt an extra bit of font magic in the meantime.


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