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Morris dancing - what's it about ?

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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 10:54 PM

Google      morris dancing, history

First site at the top of the page will, I think, answer the question. Sorry, couldn't get the blue thingy to work.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: lady penelope
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 12:25 PM

Yes, they lure the public in with the 'curiosity quotient' and then scare the bejasus out of them..........lovely fellas all.

TTFN Lady P.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,Crystal
Date: 07 Mar 04 - 07:33 AM

Ah yes, I remember the gingham!
And the scaffolding!
They certainly draw a crowd!


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: lady penelope
Date: 06 Mar 04 - 11:47 AM

'Right' Liberty are still very much going. They are currently using scaffolding instead of sticks and their squire has had a lovely pink gingham knee length dress made, that sets his beard off a treat.

TTFN Lady P.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Mar 04 - 01:46 PM

I saw Royal Liberty at the Rochester Sweeps festival four years ago!
They were almost certainly still around in 2002 because I saw them advertised somwhere. I'm not sure where they are now though!


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,Tracey Dragonsfriend
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 02:19 PM

What I want to know is : What happened to the Royal Liberty Morris men? The bikers, who replaced those hankies & sticks with oil-rags and 3/8 Whitworth spanners...


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Mar 04 - 06:48 AM

I have heard that there are various versions of 'the mop & bucket' as originally inspired by a Lunatic SF Writer of DiscWorld tales...

Robin
(A Pratchett Fan)


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,DrWord
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 08:15 PM

A Morris Dance troupe from Winnipeg was at the Manitou Coffee House a few months ago, where they performed "The first Morris dance written in Canada". When they came out with hockey sticks, they did a brilliantly choreographed Morris dance, replete with body checks! What a hoot!

Cheers,
dennis


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:15 PM

I was always led to believe it was about sex, sounds good to me


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:13 PM


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: LesB
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 07:00 PM

Not Bob Fox, Not Mr Fox, Bob Peggs old group but a dance ensemble called Mr Fox that comes out after dark!

Les


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:49 PM

Just re-read my earlier post. Bad day at work and I shouldn't have ripped off at no one in particular. Just because I have to take the crap while dancing and then coz I sing folk it's no reason to blame MC'ers who just wanted to share some humour.

Dressing in Clogs , knee britches ,white knee length socks and a flowery hat leaves me little to complain about the odd prod.

To try and answer the question posed by GUEST , Curious , it's all things to all dancers. For me it was a revelation of music and movement. Some of the moves and turns give a most satisfying feeling. Perhaps because most of them are hundreds of years old. The music was what I enjoyed listening to anyway and the righteous feel of keeping a tradition alive was a little icing on the cake.

Like FolkieDave I have danced far more extensively abroad than I have sang. France , Germany and Belgium and most counties in England. It doesn't stop me looking like a knob head while I am doing it , but it suits me.


Spot


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: The Villan
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 05:29 PM

Les
Do you mean Mr Bob Fox. Yes please. If not I think my kids will love that. What a great idea.
Please keep me informed.
Les


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: LesB
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:07 PM

An extra treat at Moor & Coast this year is 'Mr Fox'. I don't want to give the game away, but think, torchlit processions with dancers in fox masks down the spookey side streets of the East Side, hypnotic music & a finale at the East Side Market.

Les


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:45 PM

It's a pity I can't go to Whitby then but our Highland ball is being held on the 1st! Plus I'll have exams soon after!


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: The Villan
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 03:42 PM

Les
Good. As family and I will be in Whitby that week starting the 1st. Is it over that weekend?
I thought the Morris Dancers were very good last year.
Friends of ours in Brum go to that festival each year. So we meet them up there.
The evening folk at the School is a bit of a problem as we have a special needs girl and she was a bit of a handful last year.
Anyway looking forward to it.
Les


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: LesB
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:44 PM

In answer to 'The Villan's' Question. The answer is Yes there will, be some ritual dancing at Moor & Coast Fest at Whitby on May 1st. I will be dancing rapper & sword with Lamb & Flag, Red Rose Rapper will be busking and as for the other teams I don't know who will be there at present.

Les


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Teresa
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:40 PM

Aaaaarrrrrghghgh!!! Sorry, technical difficulties there. As I was saying, i take your point with respect, and the linked articles are very informative.

However ... as to my above post: Stan Rogers' comments on Morris dancing ... and other things too. ;)


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:38 PM

What is morris dancing all about?
Pain in huge amounts!
It is a form of maschocism!


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Teresa
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 02:22 PM

Spot the dog, I take your point, and the artic


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,Spot the Dog
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 12:46 PM

I don't normally but here goes. I have danced morris off and on since 1978 (Northwest and Border mainly). I have also sang in folk clubs for a good bit longer (as a floor singer and semi-pro). The parallels are many and obvious. Both involve performance art that is disliked by the majority , hated by the media and make the performer some kind of involuntary curator of tradition.

Because I am involved in both aspects I perhaps see these parallels , I guess FolkieDave does too. Taking the water out of morris does it no service especially from a group of people who are living targets.

Not that I mind coz I can equally piss take either the saddo's who meet in upstairs rooms of pubs droning long forgotton songs to long forgotton audiences while bashing substandard music out of substandard instruments. Or worse who actually write some brain numbing ditty ridden with cliche about some obscure disaster hoping it will change the world....as I can out of dipsticks who dance the morris.

My point , if I have one , is that I would have hoped from this forum a more considered view.

Spot the Dog


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:32 AM

the one Sttaw Legend posted early in the thread is worth a read, i'll be useing it in the future


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,Train Guard
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:31 AM

Why is it that most people want to talk about Cotswold Morris? What's wrong with some of the northern (clog) traditions - Lancashire Maze, Rapper, and Pace Egging?

None of these originated in court dances......

Disgusted of Manchester


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Teresa
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:27 AM

hee hee! I love Morris dancing. I'll see if I can find a transcript of Stan Rogers' hilarious description of it. It's on his Home In Halifax.
Teresa


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:16 AM

The dance with the sticks held between the legs sounds a bit like one of the spoof versions of "Bean Setting" which was called "Tool Setting" there was also a Monty Python style one, "Brain Setting", where they wore knotted hankies on their heads and hit each other with rolled up newspapers to shouts of "My Brain Hurts". In the best version I saw of the latter, the penultimate man had a proper stick and the last man wore a tin helmet, so that you got Thunk-Thunk-Thunk-Thunk-Clang !   I have a feeling that these dances came from either Albion or Great Western morris sides.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:15 AM

Why should that cheque be any different Bobbyboy


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Bobjack
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 11:08 AM

Excellent article folkiedave. did my cheque bounce?


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Folkiedave
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 10:58 AM

There is an article by Simon Pipe here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2026567.stm

When I was lecturing in an FE college there was always some smart*ss student who would seem me dancing in town and tell the class and then someone would ask. "You are morris dancer then, why do you do that?"

So I told them that I hade been all over Europe including paid trips; been on telly and in film, and on radio; Sheffield City Morris were the first (and I think only) team to go to South America; I have met country's Presidents; drunk a lot of beer and wine especially champagne for nothing; met some wonderful people all over the world, and in GB and in general had a good time that has not cost too me much.

I then used to ask them what they did. "Follow Wednesday" was the inevitable reply. (for non -Sheffielders that is "Sheffield Wednesday", supposedly a football team).

Regards,

Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:14 AM

We do a dance called 'Bashing the Bishop' which is a bit like the dance Bobjack describes, tho' the sticks don't get shorter. We'll be doing it at the fair on Saturday!
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:07 AM

Well it's all left to Robin and Barry now of course.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 06:03 AM

Or, to ge a song in When this Morris dance is over

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 05:58 AM

Earlier thread The origins of Morris Dancing

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 05:01 AM

Bobjack, seen them and know exactly who you mean, they are all ex Hull City players.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:56 AM

Sounds like the John Wayne Bobbit dance to me.
eric


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Bobjack
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:36 AM

The dance they did involved one of them holding a stick between his legs whilst the others whacked it with their sticks, he would then make the stick shorter and shorter. Result ;my kids would literally fall about laughing.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:33 AM

Sounds a bit like like the Bacup Coconuts.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Bobjack
Date: 03 Mar 04 - 04:24 AM

I'm not too bothered about the tradition (or lack of it) but we always enjoy any Morris dancing. It is colouful, lively, noisy fun and rather quaint, long may it continue in England.
My youngest used to be petrifeid by a bunch of dancers from Bradford who used to dance at Beverley Folk Festival, because they used to appear with blacked up faces and straggly black outfits. Anyone know who they were?


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 07:03 PM

But since the GUEST's name was Mikefule, the unnmaed GUEST has really missed the point (say the name 'Mikefule' over and over, out loud very slowly until you achive enlightment!)

Robin


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 06:37 PM

Rock Chick, as requested:

Beautiful
Orgasmic
Delectable
Heartfelt
Regions
Always
Nurtured


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: rock chick
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:54 PM

over to you geoff the Duck, of course your get a load of Quackers


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:52 PM

Mikefule has missed the whole point of Mudcat which is of course to miss the whole point of the original post.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Allan C.
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:48 PM

I know Sttaw Legend's history to be factual because once, when I wandered the streets of London, someone sold that very same stick to me!


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 05:07 PM

Little sticks? Real morris dancers use bloody great big ones...


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:19 PM

What is Morris Dancing about? It's about 20 minutes too long when you are sitting there watching these weird people go prancing with their white hankies and clicking their little sticks together. How do we solve the problem of too many Morris Dancers? Why put them in a room with mimes of course.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST, Mikefule
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 03:10 PM

The question was, "What *is* it about?" not "What *was* it about?".

What it is about is whatever we want it to be about.

We are the dancers, the audience, the hangers on. We all see it differently.

I dance Morris because I have danced it for the last 20 years. I'm unlikely to give up now.

We dance it "like this" because we've always danced it "like this", except for when we used to do it a bit differently.

It's a performance, it's a sport, it's an art, it's a mystery. We can think far too deeply about it and disappear up our own backsides... but then, thinking too deeply about things is an expression of our modern culture.

It's easy to forget that future generations will look back and see us as just ordinary people, products of our own time and culture, neither more nor less traditional than the dancers of 1899, or 1797, or 1698, or er.. well you get the idea.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST,ClaireBear
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:50 PM

Sticks. The word is sticks.

Unless it's hankies.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:34 PM

Like most dance, the form of display ritual associated with sexual attraction. Young men displaying their giant (what's the word?) leap to attract the ladies.


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 02:29 PM

John Forrest will be dancing with the Ancient Men (Oxford University Morris Men on tour)in Dorset in July, and then staging a performance of court dancing at the Sidmouth festival, if anyone wants to try spotting the link...

There's morris dancing as tradition, and morris dancing as performance... sometimes they overlap. Anyone remember Albion v Old Spot (Sidmouth 1974)?

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: Little Robyn
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:50 PM

Thank you ClaireBear, that's most informative.
Sttaw Legend, I remember that Morris - I bought it in 1972 - for fifty pounds! I found it in Cornwall when I was staying in Padstow. It took me all round Britain, to Helston for Furry day, to the first Laycock Folk Festival, to Wells and Loughborough and eventually to Northumberland. I finally did in the big-end on the M1 trying to get to Nottingham Trad FC, to hear Colin Ross and Ray Fisher. I sold it to the junk man for six quid!
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Morris dancing - whats it about ?
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Mar 04 - 01:46 PM

"young squires.....waiting for relief" theirs a novelty


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