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Lyr Req: Outlandish Knight (Cyril Tawney)

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Subject: Lyr Add: THE OUTLANDISH KNIGHT (from Cyril Tawney)
From: Roberto
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 04:12 AM

Please, someone to check and correct this text, that I've got from a recording made by Cyril Tawney (but I'm not sure of all the words). I'm also looking for the recording of this version made by Tim Laycock, on Capers and Rhymes, if somobody has the text. Thank you. Roberto

THE OUTLANDISH KNIGHT, from Cyril Tawney, The Outlandish Knight, Folk Songs from Devon And Cornwall, Polydor 236 577, 1969. Version collected in 1891 by Baring-Gould from James Masters of Bradstone, Devon.

There was a rich nobleman I fair tell
And he came a-courtin' of me
And he said – We will ride and ere we return
Then married we will be

She went onto her father's stables
She was gay as gay might be
And she mounted upon her milk-white steed
And the dapple gray rode he

Jump off, jump off, I pray – He said
And deliver your horse to me
Six pretty maids have I drowned here
And the seventh thou shall be

Pull off, pull off, thy silken smock
And thy silken gown – Said he
Six pretty maids have I stripped here
And the seventh thou shall be

Take up thy sickle and cut the nettle
That grows on the water brim
For fear it should stick in my gay gold locks
And should sting my milk-white skin

He took the sickle and cut the nettle
That grew on the water brim
And she gave him a most cunning push
And she speedily pushed him in

Oh help, oh help, my fair pretty maid
And the day I will marry thee -
Lie there, lie there, thou false hearted knight
Lie there and drown – Said she

Lie there, lie there, thou false hearted knight
Lie there and drown – Said she
Six pretty maids has thou drowned here
And the seventh drowned thee!

Every leaf was oppressed and she heard no sound
Not a lark nor thrush gave heed
Nor the throstle did call in the whole of the tree
As she mounted her milk-white steed

And she mounted her on her milk-white steed
And she lead the dapple gray
And she rode till she came to her father's hall
Just at the break of day

Oh where have you been, my fair pretty queen? –
The parrot he did say –
That you have been out all in the night
And return before the day?

Oh hush, and oh hush, my pretty parrot
Oh, say not a word – said she
Thy cage it shall be of the beating gold
That was of the timbering tree

Then up and spake her father dear
From the bed whereon he lay:
Oh what is the matter with my parrot
That he chatters before the day?

The cat came to my own cage-door
And threatened to kill me
And I called aloud for help to come
To come and deliver me

Well turned, well turned, my pretty parrot
Well turned, well turned – said she
Thy cage shall be made of the shining gold
That was of the timbering tree


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Noreen
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 12:00 PM

Sounds fine to me Roberto- the only thing I would change is
Thy cage it shall be of the beaten gold (rather than beating>.

I don't know this version with the nettles, but the parrot is always a favourite :0)


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Subject: Lyr/Tune Add: THE OUTLANDISH KNIGHT
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 14 Mar 04 - 08:31 PM

I didn't buy the record while it was available, and have always rather regretted that. I do recall, though, that Cyril said he didn't normally go in for the "big ballads" and hadn't learned the ones he had recorded: so far as I know, he used a crib-sheet for this one, so the text to go for is James Masters', which was Cyril's source. It appears in Bronson, I, 63: no.4.58. The tune was noted by Baring-Gould's collaborator, H Fleetwood Sheppard.

I don't share Roberto's preoccupation with getting the precise wording of revival arrangements of traditional songs; for myself, I'd sooner have the goods from the traditional source, but of course many revival performers neglect to tell us where they got their material. Cyril is specific about his, though, and the set as noted from tradition is to hand, so I may as well quote the whole thing. The transcription above is already commendably accurate, with only a few small mis-hearings. Punctuation is reproduced as Bronson quotes it.


THE OUTLANDISH KNIGHT

(From James Masters (86), Bradstone, Devon, June 1891. Noted by S Baring-Gould & H Fleetwood Sheppard.)

There was a rich nobleman I've heard tell
And he came a courting of me,
And he said, We will ride, and ere we return
Then married we will be.

She went into her father's stable
She was gay as gay might be,
And she mounted upon her milkwhite steed,
And the dapple gray rode he.

Jump off! Jump off! I pray, he said
And deliver your horse to me
Six pretty maids have I drowned here,
And the seventh thou shalt be.

Pull off, pull off, thy silken smock
And thy silken gown, said he.
Six pretty maids have I stripped here,
And the seventh thou shalt be.

Take up thy sickle and cut the nettle,
That grows on the water brim,
For fear it should stick in my gay gold locks
And should sting my milkwhite skin.

He took the sickle and cut the nettle
That grew on the water brim,
And she gave him a most cunning push,
And she speedily pushed him in.

O help! O help! my fair pretty maid,
And today I will marry thee
Lie there, lie there, thou falsehearted knave,
Lie there and drown, said she.

Lie there, lie there! thou false hearted knave,
Lie there and drown, said she
Six pretty maids hast thou drowned here,
And the seventh drowneth thee.

Every leaf was oppress'd and she heard no sound [1]
Nor to lark nor thrush gave heed.
Nor the throstle did call in the whole of the tree
As she mounted her milk white steed.

And she mounted her on her milk-white steed
And she led the dapple grey,
And she rode till she came to her father's hall
Just at the break of day.

O where have you been, my fair pretty quean? [2]
The parrot he did say,
That you have been out all in the night
And return before the day.

O hush! and O hush! my pretty parrot,
O say not a word, said she,
Thy cage it shall be of the beaten gold,
That was of the timbern tree.

Then up and spake her father dear,
From the bed where on he lay,
O what is the matter with my parrot
That he chatters before the day.

The cat came to my own cage-door
And threatenèd to kill me.
And I called aloud for help to come,
To come and deliver me.

Well turn'd, well turn'd my pretty parrot
Well turn'd, well turn'd said she.
Thy cage shall be made of shining gold,
That was of the timbern tree.


Baring-Gould MSS., CXIV(4); text, (B).

[1] "oppress'd" is marked with a query.

[2] "quean" given thus. "(saucy) girl": more common in Scots usage nowadays.



X:1
T:The Outlandish Knight
B:Bronson I 63: no. 4.58
S:James Masters (86), Bradstone, Devon, June 1891.
Z:S Baring-Gould (text) H Fleetwood Sheppard (tune)
N:Baring-Gould MSS., CXIV(4); text, (B).
N:Child 4, Roud 21
L:1/8
Q:1/4=100
M:4/4
K:G
G|B2 BA G2 AB|BA GF G2 Bc|
w:There was a rich no-ble-man I've_ heard_ tell And he
d2 ed cB A2|d6 Bc|
w:came a_ cour-ting of me, And he
d2 ed c2 BA|BA BA G2 GA|
w:said, We will ride, and_ ere_ we re-turn Then_
B2 cB AG F2|E6|]
w:mar-ried_ we_ will be.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Roberto
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 07:18 AM

Thank you very much, Noreen and Malcolm Douglas. I've noticed I've written lead instead of led in stanza 10. A question for Malcolm Douglas: I always buy recordings of these songs from traditional sources, but besides the ones published by Topic, Rounder, Musical Traditions, EFDS, Veteran Tapes and some more, I can't find many. Could you suggest where to get more traditional recordings of songs and ballads from the British Isles? Thank you. Roberto


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Compton
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 08:32 AM

Old,very old song sung by Spinner,eons ago..was slightly different..Isn't it a Child Ballad??..perhaps not..
My memory is (1st Line)
An Outlandlish knight from the Northlands came,
And he came a-wooing of me,
And he vowed that he's take me to that northern land
...and he would marry me.

Any use??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:13 PM

Roberto-
Add Smithsonian-Folkways, Global Village, and Fellside to your list.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Roberto
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 02:20 PM

Yes, of course. Thank you. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Nerd
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 08:02 PM

Fellside? Which of their records contain traditional singers?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Mar 04 - 08:38 PM

None that I can think of. Peter Kennedy (Folktrax) has a large stock of real traditional material available, though there have been adverse comments made about certain aspects of his business in the past; which he denies. I don't know the facts one way or the other. Material from the School of Scottish Studies has been re-issued on cd by Greentrax, and Topic has licensed some of its Scottish and Irish back catalogue to Springthyme and Ossian respectively.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Cyril Tawney's Outlandish Knight
From: Roberto
Date: 16 Mar 04 - 11:59 AM

True, no traditional source singers on Fellside. I had Foltrax in mind, from which I have many recordings. I'd like to know something about the adverse comments about aspects of Peter Kennedy's business Malcolm Douglas refers to.


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