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Subject: BS: St. George's day
From: Ben Dover
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 11:44 AM

Right people,
             I have been oirished to death over the last few days. What are you all doing on the 23rd of april to celebrate England's finest? Silly hats and green beer again? Why do us English go mental on St Paddy's day but generally ignore dear old St George?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:03 PM

St who?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 12:13 PM

Many moons ago St Patrick appeared in an apparition to the WGM of Guinness. Following this event it has been celebrated, as you did, on the 17 March. In conclusion it is a publicity stunt for Guinness that went wrong for the world, but a job well done for the WGM. St Pat may I add does not get a bonus, he's in it for the love. St George - who wants to drink a dragon.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: jacqui.c
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 02:54 PM

For anyone within striking distance of Hertford I'm arranging a session at the Great Eastern in Railway Street on 23 April. All English music please and we might manage a mummers play if I can get sufficient volunteers. Does anyone know of a morris dancing group who might like to join in?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,An English Patriot
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 04:23 PM

What we should do is to go down to the pub and toast St George (really toasting England) and to try and encourage all our work collegues to join us. After that, make a night of it. The following morning, suggest to all and sundry (especially our boss) that St George's Day should be a public holiday. By the way, this year St George's Day falls on a friday, so bugger the hangover.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Mar 04 - 05:08 PM

The real day that should be a holiday, which has traditionally been the real day the Engish have celebrated, is the First of May. And that's the one that should be a hoiday. (They switched the Bank Holiday to the nearest Monday, barbarians. That means it's on May 3rd this year.)

Still, more celebrations the merrier, so I hope to be along to the Great Eastern on St George's. (Though I think it should maybe be open to the traditions of the other St George countries, such as Greece and Georgia (no, not the American Georgia, which has nothing to do wity teh Saint).


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: LadyJean
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 12:30 AM

I have a lovely Russian laquer pin with a picture of George and dragon on it. I like to wear it on April 23. I kind of collect St. George and the Dragon.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,An English Patriot
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 02:46 AM

It should be remembered that St George's Day has got nothing to do with the saint himself. Afterall, St Patrick's Day has got nothing to do with him. A interfering busy body, who wasn't even Irish, who brought Christianity to Ireland when there was probably nothing wrong with their old pagan religion.

Never mind George or the poor old dragon (and what did the dragon ever do to him, eh?)On April 23rd, celebrate England and Englishness.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: alanabit
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:01 AM

Celebrate by all means. But why celebrate a bit of dodgy history when we could celebrate the poet who was born 23/4/1564 and who died on 23/4/1616? We can be proud of him for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:26 AM

Anybody know where I can get an idiotic red and white hat from? I must learn to play greensleeves for this august celebration.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: snake19
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:35 AM

Try uk.music.folk


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Fibula Mattock
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:14 AM

I bet it wasn't a dragon. I bet it was a newt.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:15 AM

Thanks snake, I did. that is a hell of site for us english bods.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:43 AM

English Patriot has hit the nail on the head. It's really about celebrating England rather than some mythical/dodgy saint and his newt.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:43 AM

When St Georges day is organised, we should then move on to St Harris day.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,St. Harris
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 04:48 AM

Agreed! My tweeds are world renowned.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:25 AM

That reminds me I must order my taxi for tonight


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: snake19
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:11 AM

The other one is rec.folk-dancing,i am sure they will beable to help.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:34 AM

thanks snake19 had a look but they don't do taxis


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:35 AM

It seems to me that having a foreign saint, who is shared with lots of other countries, as a national patron, is a healthy thing for a country. A symbolic protection against ethnic exclusivity.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Ben Dover
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 06:44 AM

Multi cultural is all well and good, but why can't us whitey boys have an English saint? or an English day even?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: snake19
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:05 AM

Well "Guest" try 111 500,lol.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Pied Piper
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:06 AM

As I understand it the Patron Saint of England is not George but Peter.
On Wednesday I played in a local hostelry with a Fiddler and a NSP player.
We will be there again on the 23 of April playing the same eclectic mixture as 99.9% of the punters bring their interpretation of nationality with them.

TTFN
PP.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 07:21 AM

Kevin - At least you don't have to share St Patrick with anyone else as far as I'm aware - and at least he did spend most of his life in Ireland unlike St George who probably never even visited England on a day trip !

I do agree, however, that we English should celebrate our national day and have been involved with many folk events to that end. At one time I was involved in organising a St George's Folk Festival at Cecil Sharp House which took place on the nearest weekend to the 23rd April.

One of the other organisers was Sheila Finn of Folk London. She invariably had problems when it clashed with her mother's passover supper. "Can't you move the festival", her mum once asked, so Sheila explained that it had to be on the nearest weekend to St George's Day. "Was St George Jewish ?" was the retort.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 08:33 AM

Let's change it to Mrs Thatcher day!! Now there was a damn fine Englishman.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Dead Horse
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 08:43 AM

Thatcher Day it is then.
We must all go out on this day & steal milk from children, beat up the miners, do away with a few old folks, and encourage our colleagues to roger a couple of secretaries.
Beats the hell out of pickin on huge fire-breathin dragons!
Talking of which........


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 10:20 AM

What about jOhn from Hull day ?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 10:22 AM

Nah, his recent nuptuals have cast a permanent stain on his reputation as the patron saint of Hull.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Ben Dover
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 10:51 AM

Good we are agreed on Thatcher day then. Although I have always had a sneaking admiration for Norman Tebbit and Sir Keith Joseph. Not a lot of gigs planned though are there?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Crane Driver
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 01:35 PM

Horse - you leave that dragon alone, or me and the boyos will come and sing at you.

St Patrick, like St David, was Welsh. St George was, I believe, Albanian. Not that it matters - they're all dead now anyway.

Why do people need an excuse to sing, play music and drink? Just do it.

Have a great time.

(Not St) Andrew


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 01:46 PM

The day Thatcher fell, now that was one day when there was singing in the streets and general celebration. A bit like VE Day.

23rd November 1990. Three days early, but even so it felt like as good a birthday present as I've ever had. For days after I'd be going along and I'd wonder "Why am I feeling so happy" - and then I'd remember why.

I always remember Ted Heath's comment, when he said that he understood how it really must have hurt her. And then he said "Not enough...

Here's a Steve Bell cartoon he did for the 10th anniversary


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: brid widder
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 02:52 PM

I remember that day Kevin... I was buying a house and was on my way to the solicitors to sign the contract ... I saw it on the placards... a new home & Thatcher out... would there ever be a better day!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 03:16 PM

Yep Christmas came early that year for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Mar 04 - 05:31 PM

A local church was advised by the council not to fly the flag of St George as, due to the crusader connection it could be considered offensive to local Moslems.

Ho hum...

Local Moslem leaders gave the edict the derision it deserved btw.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:23 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Sooz
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:33 AM

I will sing Maggies Hollands "A place called England" at Market Rasen Folk Club. Must start the breathing exercises NOW!


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:15 AM

Definitely "Sir Richard's Song" (... Love in England hath taken me...). Or for a lighter number at a tangent, how about "When Georgie's on a spree"?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:23 AM

Poor St George has the misfortune of sharing his name with another George who we are hoping will be himself slain in the next US elections. Speaking for many of my fellow countrywomen and men, sorry St G...xx..e


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:41 AM

Well refreshed! No gigs and generally silliness planned anywhere on friday then?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:23 PM

Patrick wasn't Welsh. He was likely born near what is now Whitehaven, England. Stolen by Irish slavers at around 10 years old, he lived in Ireland until as a young man he escaped and returned to his original home. Then he went back to Ireland and converted it to Chritianity. The perfect revenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:33 PM

Here's your chance to pen a new national anthem AND lend your name to the petition for recognizing St. George's Day as a national holiday. If you're so inclined, visit Wells Brewery website.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:39 PM

Wouldn't it be silly hats and RED beer for St. George? And cute little Dragon puppets and cartoons?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Jack Tar
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 12:42 PM

"Local Moslem leaders gave the edict the derision it deserved btw."

Good for them. It's nice to see sanity rule occasionally.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: jonm
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:59 PM

The Anker Morris Men of Nuneaton (the W is indeed silent; there are no jokes on the name we haven't already heard) traditionally start their season on the nearest Saturday with their St. George's tour.

10.30am dancing in Market Bosworth, then again once the pubs have opened. Off to Pinwall, which doesn't appear on many maps, for lunch and dancing at the Red Lion.

The afternoon will be spent outside the Market Tavern in Atherstone, then at the Church End Brewery. Times? We're bound to be running late by then, but probably about 3 and 4pm respectively.

All of English life will be there, from the middle-class ladies who manage to cross the square in Market Bosworth pretending they simply haven't seen twenty morris men, via the shaven headed, England-shirt-wearing pride of British manhood that seems to infest Atherstone these days, to the best of English beer and civilised environments that is Church End, one of our best kept local secrets (oh, bum, now it isn't...).

All supporters welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: JennyO
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:02 PM

This weekend at our Snalbans (in Oz) folk festival there will be a significant presence from our friends the Wheeze and Suck Band and the Sydney Morris Men. Not sure whether it will have much to do with St George's Day though.

Unfortunately, on May 1, when the Morris Men always meet at dawn at Mrs Macquare's Chair, I will be in Canberra. Last year was a hoot! What a shame to miss it!

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:06 AM

El Ted:
Anybody know where I can get an idiotic red and white hat from? I must learn to play greensleeves for this august celebration.
August celebration, methinks you have the date wrong!


Nigel


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: s6k
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:16 AM

what about St. ElTed day


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:51 AM

Fenn Bell.

Dave Bryant did a link for the last session there. Bishop Guldulph are dancing and I am told there will be singing. I think there might be beer too. But alas not "Double Dragon" which is by Felinvoel (I hope I spelt that right) and is Welsh.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,JOHN of ELSIE`S BAND
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:40 AM

All being well, notwithstanding the intervention of the anti-enjoyment police, we shall be drinking and singing to the memory of St. George, witnessing some fine Morris, and partaking of spit roasted dragon at Elsie`s on the appointed day.
While on the subject may I call upon all Englishmen, loyal and true to fight for the preservation of ENGLAND and ST.GEORGE. If "fatty Prescott" and his mob have their way then England will be relegated to a few regional assemblies while Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland (deservedly so) retain their historic identities.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: el ted
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:46 AM

Here here john of EB. This current mob with all their touchy feely regulations will have us all wearing mittens for our own safety before too long!


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:02 AM

I `ad that St.George in my cab last year. `e was all scorched and brarn and `is lance all charred. I said, you been slaying them firery
dragons again? `e said , nah, I`ve just come from a garden party that `ad a propane barbecue!!
What am I like??


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:02 AM

MERCIA FOREVER!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:56 PM

Well for me, being English but living in the USA, I am going to celebrate St. George this Friday. I'll start by hanging the flag outside my house, that usually gets the Yanks confused. Then maybe I'll make a Shepherds Pie, drink some fine English beer (whatever is on sale) wear my England football shirt, sing a few patriotic songs and dance around the garden like an idiot for a while.

I must go to the Gourmet food shop today and stock up on Marmite, Bisto, Birds Custard Powder, McVities Digestive's and Lucozade.

God Save The Queen........etc.

Bob


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,Bob Hitchcock
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:58 PM

That last post was mine. I think I lost my cookie, must be lack of Marmite.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: izzy
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:25 PM

This Friday we are going to have bangers and mash (minestrone!!), drink beer, and dance around the house to a combination of English fiddle music and banghra, while reciting Shakespeare. We don't hang a flag outside the house, though, we like to keep it a secret (very deep and enigmatic of us).

Hope everyone has a good SG Day.

Speaking of England and Englishness, my online magazine dedicated to the subject is now up and running (McGrath among others was interested in its progress) and we are still looking for contributors. (It's fairly highminded with a bit of silliness thrown in.) Toddle off and have a look at it here


Cheers

Isabel


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:54 PM

I can't open the sub-pages, Isabel ...?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: izzy
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:05 PM

Sorry, I have them opening in a separate window --look on the bar and you'll find them. I did that so that you can still see the home page, but people have complained about it, so I'll change it soon. Anyhow, see if that works and let me know.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,An English Patriot
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 05:19 PM

John of Elsie's Band. On our day, I shall be drinking a toast to England and another toast to an eventual English assembly to rule over all of England and the English. I shall not idly sit back and allow my country to be Balkanised by the likes of Tory Blair.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:19 PM

Isabel, I spy room for a couple of articles on the removal of the right of the Englishman to use the highway, and the removal of the right of the Englishman to perform his traditional music. No I'm not volunteering.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: izzy
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:30 PM

Well, there certainly is scope for a well-researched piece on the PEL at some point, if anyone else feels up to it!


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: ranger1
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:41 PM

When I was at college, we did a (probably not terribly accurate) version of the St. George play. I was the dragon, and was slain in grand fashion, bashing my head on the edge of the stage in my death throes.

On another note, my significant other and I went to the rather silly St. Patrick's Day parade here in Portland, Maine, where they started off with a pipe and drum corps playing "Scotland the Brave." There was a lot of confusion when we started wishing all and sundry a happy late St. Andrew's Day. It being the States, nobody got the joke.


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 06:37 PM

It's a little before the dawn of the 23rd (GMT) but I have to bail out soon and I'd just like to wish those that care a happy St. George's Day. In my exile I'll be having that Northumbrian treat panhaggerty for supper followed by scones with cream and strawberries and, of course, lots of ale. ;o)

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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 07:39 PM

There were St geiorge's Day cards in the shops this year!
Zorg, one should be winging its way to you!


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: The Villan
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:36 AM

Not much going on for S't Georges day then!!!!

Well what about coming to Market Rasen then.

We will be celebrating our own local heroes. Yellow Bellies. Incidentally, for those who don't know, a yellow belly is somebody born in Lincolnshire. It doesn't mean that they are chicken. Who can come up with the best version of what a Yellow Belly is?

Yellow Belly stickers for the car will be given out to all true Yellow Bellies, and they might win a tank of petrol if Radio Lincolnshire spots their car with the sticker in. :-)


The Market Rasen Folk Club will be held at the following venue.

Market Rasen Social Club
Serpentine Street
Market Rasen,
Lincolnshire,
LN8 3AR.
Tel: 01673 844088

The club is disability friendly as well as being family friendly.

April 23rd £1 entrance (Under 16's free) 8:00 to 11:30pm

Artists appearing
CARA (resident group), Stitherum, John Blanks, Dave Evardson, Jean Cowman, Kate Witney, Mike & Katie, Phil Brougham, Gwenda and Terry, Yellow Belly Acapelly.

Les Worrall


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST,ru the day
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 01:33 AM

Help!

Tonight I am chairing a St George's Day celebration dinner and believe there is a special toast one should do? Can anyone tell me what the correct wording of the toast should be?


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: Sooz
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 03:38 AM

"Cry God for Harry, England and St George" just about covers it!
(Henry V by Bill S)


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Subject: RE: BS: St. George's day
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 09:58 AM

GUEST ru theday ... click the sound bite link above and you'll get the words and Olivier's rendition (if you're brave enough to try it!) Happy St. George's Day.


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