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Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag

twingles 24 Mar 04 - 11:10 PM
open mike 25 Mar 04 - 01:58 AM
GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw 25 Mar 04 - 02:21 AM
GLoux 25 Mar 04 - 08:08 AM
Mooh 25 Mar 04 - 08:12 AM
greg stephens 25 Mar 04 - 11:20 AM
GUEST,Les B. 25 Mar 04 - 11:45 AM
GUEST,Les B. 25 Mar 04 - 11:50 AM
twingles 25 Mar 04 - 02:45 PM
GUEST 08 May 12 - 10:10 AM
Hokumsheik 08 May 12 - 11:14 AM
Jack Campin 08 May 12 - 11:23 AM
open mike 08 May 12 - 12:18 PM
Arkie 27 Jan 13 - 09:35 PM
GUEST,FloraG 28 Jan 13 - 07:46 AM
GUEST,robk 08 Aug 13 - 11:48 AM
GUEST,robk 08 Aug 13 - 12:00 PM
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Subject: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: twingles
Date: 24 Mar 04 - 11:10 PM

Looking for new tunes for my 10 yr. old son to play in an old time fiddle contest. It was suggested to me as pigknuckle rag, but I have only found a reference to pig Ankle rag, which is probably it. I need music and/or a recording. Anybody? Thanks!!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: open mike
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 01:58 AM

i do not know it but i think there is a song (or tune) called
"shove the pig's leg a little further into the fire"....
good luck! and good luck to your son in the contest.
where is the contest? We just had the california state
competition in a town near me. the Pee Wee's ( 8 year old and under )
had some incredible players!!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST,Jeremiah McCaw
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 02:21 AM

Got 2 sources for you:

The first one is in fiddle tab:
http://www.alltabs.com/print/piganklerag_jimc_fiddle.htm


This one is a page of sheet music:
http://www.darsie.net/tuneweb/am/pig.gif


Hope it is the song your lad's lookin' for. Tell him a total stranger wishes him well.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GLoux
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 08:08 AM

Uncle Dick Hutchison recorded Pig Ankle Rag and I believe he was the source for the Highwoods String Band. Pig Ankle Rag made it onto the Highwoods' "Feed Your Babies Onions" compilation CD, Rounder CD 11569. I believe this CD is still available.

Hope this helps,
-Greg


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 08:12 AM

We play Pig Ankle Rag regularly from the Fiddler's Fake Book (Oak Publications) which I think lifted it from the Highwoods String Band recording that Greg mentions above. Killer tune!

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: greg stephens
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:20 AM

Come to Nantwich Fiddle Day(Sat March 27) and hear the legendary Kate |Barfield play this excellent tune.Accompanied tastefully on guitar by
Yours sincerely
Greg Stephens


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:45 AM

"Pig Ankle Rag" is a great tune, I'm just tranferring it to guitar (from fiddle). Wish it had words.

"Shove the Pig's Foot a little further in the fire" is a totally different old-timey fiddle tune.

There's also "Pigtown Fling" which I'm not sure about - it may be a version of "Pig Ankle".


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST,Les B.
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:50 AM

In checking at Ceolas Fiddler's Companion web site, I see that
"Pigtown Fling" is also called "Wild Horse" or "Stoney Point".
That site is also a good place for finding books & recordings mentioned as references.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: twingles
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 02:45 PM

Thanks to all!! The competition is the Ceasar Creek Pioneer Village Old Time Music Festival (Southern Ohio). Kajler (age 10) competed for the first time last summer, along with his brother and sister (both 7). Great fun. They got in a jam session which just blew me away. they had a ball playin with the grownups. All take Suzuki lessons and got into fiddle tunes last spring. They love it, but we don't get the opportunity to play with fiddlers often enough. Thanks again. Twingles


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 12 - 10:10 AM

Pig Ankle Rag--where did name come from


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: Hokumsheik
Date: 08 May 12 - 11:14 AM

Here's a version in .abc
Can be coverted to 'dots' with ABCNavigator
http://abcnavigator.free.fr/

Hope this helps

X:1
T:Pig Ankle Rag
C:Arr.(C diatonic harmonica)Mox Hokumsheik
L:1/8
Q:180
M:4/4
K:C
z6 ge |: fd BG z2 ge | fd BG zG AG | cG AG cG AG |
cA GE z2 ge |fd BG z2 ge | fd BG zG AG |
cG AG cG AG | cG Ac zG z^G |A^G AB cB cd |
e_e =eg ag ec | GB dg ec dB |1 c2 _e=e c2 ge :|2c6 BA |
|: GA BG AB GA | BG AG BA GE |C2 cG Ac GA |
cG Ac zA GE | GA BG AB GA |BG AG BA GE |
C2 cG Ac GA |cG Ac zG z^G | A^G AB cB cd |
e_e =eg ag ec |GB dg ec dB |1 c2 _e=e c2 BA :|2c6 | \


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 May 12 - 11:23 AM

There are also Irish tunes called "The Price of a Pig" and "The Little Pig's Lament for the Empty Trough".


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: open mike
Date: 08 May 12 - 12:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX_UtSezn_0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGlUIMN8-jQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN4ZjaMLK_w


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: Arkie
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 09:35 PM

Have heard Pig Ankle Rag a number of times by different artists. Recently heard versions from the 1920s by Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers and the Memphis Jug Band which they called Pig Ankle Strut. Anybody know which came first? Or the origins of the tune?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST,FloraG
Date: 28 Jan 13 - 07:46 AM

What other tune ( if any ) would you play it with. My husband is 64 this year so tend to tuck the beetles song on the end of rags. It seems to fit.
FloraG


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Subject: Pig Ankle Rag Lyrics
From: GUEST,robk
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 11:48 AM

After looking all over creation for lyrics to this song, I decided to write my own.

Lyrics printed below. If you go to this website,

hockeyjoe92.wordpress.com

you can get a lead sheet for a donation of any amount.

Yes, I know it says "Buy Now" but they didn't have a button that says "Donate Now." It works out the same.

I'm going the donation route because that way people can get lyrics below, try them, and give whenever they think it is worth to them.

Rob K

PS There are regional differences in the tune. This is the way it comes across in Central Minnesota. You might have to adapt the lyrics to your own regional tune. Go nuts!

Here Are the Lyrics!!!

There's a cut of the pig and it ain't very big,
Not when you see it by the shoulder or the ham.
It's the part by the feet. Such a lip smackin' treat
And folks, they love it from Seattle to Siam.

Call it the knuckle, pork hock, shank or pig ankle.
It's among the greatest meals there am.

You can have your fillet, fancy liver pâté
Or even chowder that they squeeze out of a clam.
But the dish that I dig, courtesy of the pig
Well, you can bet the farm that I ain't talking spam.

Call it the knuckle, pork hock, shank or pig ankle.
It's among the greatest meals there am.

Now you can cook it up with rice and beans and maybe some sauerkraut.
Curry, peanuts, lemongrass; you'll love it, without a doubt.
Smoke it on the barbecue; the flavor will knock you out.
Plus, it's cheaper than lamb.

Call it the knuckle, pork hock, shank or pig ankle.
Its among the greatest meals there am.In the south U S A order soul food and hey,
Your gonna likely get some ankle on your plate.
Off in Poland I hear, it's Golonka and beer.
But just forget the name; the taste will still be great.
In Sweden Fless Legg and in Germany Eisbein
Gonna to try them all. Oh yeh, I can't wait.

Pig Ankle also is a song that you can play on the violin,
Or it's called a fiddle, just depends on the crowd your in.
Play it and I betcha everybody will wear a grin.
That's a fact! Not a sham!

Call it a rag, a strut or simply "Pig Ankle;"
Its among the greatest music there am. (Repeat v1)

©2013 JJANA


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST,robk
Date: 08 Aug 13 - 12:00 PM

I see some of you were wondering about the origins of this too. This is from a site www.dulcimerschool.com

"After some digging, here's what I've found so far.

One of the earliest mentions of "pig ankle" I found on the internet was The Pig Ankle Cabaret, a club on Franklin Street in New Orleans around 1900. The earliest jazz groups were said to have played there. There's a number of books online that give more details.

I also found Pig Ankles, sheet music for piano from 1905. The a-part theme is definitely there but the rest of what we know as Pig Ankle Rag isn't. The earliest recording I found that's like what I'm teaching in this lesson was Pig Ankle Strut by Gus Cannon's Jug Stompers, Memphis 1928. Sam McGee, Grand Ole Opry guitarist, played the tune and says he learned it from Slim Smith.

I imagine this tune was either where the New Orleans club got it's name or vice versa. In my mind I can hear a dixieland version where the a-part theme is prominent and the rest of the tune is filled with all sorts of improv. I realize I'm making connections that may not exist. Perhaps the club name is totally unrelated?"

I assume this article is by Stephen Seifert, as his is the only name I found on the website.

Stephen has been playing the mountain dulcimer since 1991. He has toured with David Schnaufer, performed with orchestras around the country, and been a featured performer in Japan. Since 1996, he has taught and performed at festivals and dulcimer clubs in Los Angeles, Detroit, New York, Pensacola, Houston, and many places in-between.

Check out his site.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST,Andrew Butler
Date: 01 Dec 13 - 12:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwgcDu4HwvU


Here's Dom Dudill playing The Pig Ankle Rag with Dr Butler's Hatstand Medicine Band.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 01:39 AM

There was an early New Orleans Saloon with the name Pig Ankle...possible lost beginning?


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 10:15 AM

Here's a page that tells a lot about the history of Pig Ankle tunes:

http://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Pig_Ankle_Rag_(1)

The publisher of the sheet music, J.W. Jenkins and Sons, was active in Kansas City for many years.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Pig knuckle or Pig Ankle Rag
From: leeneia
Date: 27 Aug 16 - 10:23 AM

Let's see if this works. It's the URL for the complete, original Pig Ankle intermezzo. It would be fun to play it and see how it went, but it starts in four flats and moves to five flats.

Not my cup of tea.


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