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BS: Top 5 TV Shows

Raptor 25 Mar 04 - 09:46 AM
Little Hawk 25 Mar 04 - 11:06 AM
GUEST,Penguin Egg 25 Mar 04 - 11:47 AM
Johnny in OKC 25 Mar 04 - 12:01 PM
Strollin' Johnny 25 Mar 04 - 12:06 PM
Little Hawk 25 Mar 04 - 12:12 PM
Peace 25 Mar 04 - 12:25 PM
Donuel 25 Mar 04 - 12:26 PM
Don Firth 25 Mar 04 - 02:37 PM
Amergin 25 Mar 04 - 02:50 PM
GUEST,Martin Gibson 25 Mar 04 - 03:05 PM
fat B****rd 25 Mar 04 - 03:18 PM
John Hardly 25 Mar 04 - 05:46 PM
Mooh 25 Mar 04 - 06:24 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 25 Mar 04 - 06:26 PM
GUEST,An English Patriot 25 Mar 04 - 06:33 PM
ranger1 25 Mar 04 - 06:38 PM
Bobert 25 Mar 04 - 07:23 PM
Raptor 25 Mar 04 - 07:25 PM
jacqui.c 25 Mar 04 - 07:27 PM
GUEST,petr 25 Mar 04 - 07:31 PM
GUEST,Lilyfestre 25 Mar 04 - 07:47 PM
Chanteyranger 25 Mar 04 - 11:07 PM
Chanteyranger 25 Mar 04 - 11:40 PM
Little Hawk 25 Mar 04 - 11:49 PM
musicmick 26 Mar 04 - 12:59 AM
Ellenpoly 26 Mar 04 - 04:10 AM
Metchosin 26 Mar 04 - 05:24 AM
GUEST,Sooz(at work) 26 Mar 04 - 06:39 AM
jacqui.c 26 Mar 04 - 07:26 AM
John MacKenzie 26 Mar 04 - 08:05 AM
GUEST,earthling 26 Mar 04 - 08:44 AM
Strollin' Johnny 26 Mar 04 - 11:13 AM
Blackcatter 26 Mar 04 - 12:04 PM
GUEST,Chanteyranger 26 Mar 04 - 12:44 PM
John MacKenzie 26 Mar 04 - 01:33 PM
Peace 26 Mar 04 - 02:34 PM
Bagpuss 26 Mar 04 - 03:19 PM
fat B****rd 26 Mar 04 - 04:53 PM
GUEST 26 Mar 04 - 04:55 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 26 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM
Little Hawk 26 Mar 04 - 05:18 PM
Raptor 26 Mar 04 - 06:47 PM
ranger1 26 Mar 04 - 07:07 PM
GUEST,dinnerlady 26 Mar 04 - 07:37 PM
John MacKenzie 27 Mar 04 - 04:26 AM
Raptor 27 Mar 04 - 08:53 AM
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Blackcatter 27 Mar 04 - 12:30 PM
Little Hawk 27 Mar 04 - 12:43 PM
John MacKenzie 27 Mar 04 - 12:50 PM
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Chanteyranger 30 Mar 04 - 01:41 AM
Ellenpoly 30 Mar 04 - 03:13 AM
Don Firth 30 Mar 04 - 01:16 PM
Kim C 30 Mar 04 - 01:36 PM
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WFDU - Ron Olesko 30 Mar 04 - 10:02 PM
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Subject: BS: Top 5 TV Shows?
From: Raptor
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 09:46 AM

Mine Are:
Great Canadian Rivers
Sopranos
Trailor Park Boys
Extreem History With Rodger Daltry
North of 60
What are yours?

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:06 AM

Sopranos
Trailor Park Boys

That's it. They are the only 2 TV shows I've actually seen in the last 3 years, cos I haven't been watching TV except when I visit Raptor and watch his DVD's of those shows! I have to give both those shows 10 out of 10. Maybe even 11.

Way back when I used to watch Star Trek Next Generation, and really liked it. Other than that, most of my TV watching was in the 70's.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Penguin Egg
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:47 AM

I,Claudius
The Ascent of Man
Fawlty Towers
The Avengers
Thunderbirds


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 12:01 PM

American Experience
Last of the Summer Wine
The News Hour with Jim Lehrer

Never miss them.
Johnny in OKC


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 12:06 PM

The Royle Family
Flowery Twats (Oops, sorry, meant Fawlty Towers)
Phoenix Nights
Any Rugby Programme (League preferably but Union will do)
Swiss Railway Journeys

:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 12:12 PM

I'll put in votes for Fawlty Towers and The Avengers too. Loved those shows. And here was a great Canadian comedy show: SCTV


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Peace
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 12:25 PM

When I watched TV they were

Hill Street Blues
St Elsewhere

That's it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 12:26 PM

Currently
West Wing, Sopranos, Deadwood, nearly any cosmological special,
The Awful Truth, The Muppet show, Faw   T wer .


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 02:37 PM

Currently:
The News Hour with Jim Lehrer (to tell me what's going on),
NOW, with Bill Moyers (to tell me what's really going on),
Masterpiece Theatre (to blow a little clean air through my head),
Everybody Loves Raymond (to show me that life—no matter how dysfunctional—goes on),
The Red Green Show (to keep life in perspective).

A few from the past:
Northern Exposure, The Rockford Files, Mystery, Family, Babylon 5, Blake's 7.
All incarnations of Star Trek (currently watching Enterprise, but I keep thinking, "Gene Roddenberry, we need you back!")
As Time Goes By
Good Neighbors
(The Good Life in the UK)
Waiting for God
(the last three Britcoms, we watch re-runs whenever they're on)

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Amergin
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 02:50 PM

I like

the sopranos
six feet under
the wire
south park
red green show
as time goes by
Madtv


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 03:05 PM

My favorites:

When CMT does a good music show (getting fewer and farther apart)
The Sopranos
Old cowboy shows on the Hallmark Channel like The Rifleman and Have Gun Will travel

any sexy broad comic who talks dirty on the Comedy channel


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: fat B****rd
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 03:18 PM

Sopranos
Steptoe and Son
Q etc (Milligan)
Twin Peaks
CSI


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: John Hardly
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 05:46 PM

The Simpsons
Austin City Limits
Jeopardy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Mooh
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 06:24 PM

Hockey Night In Canada. There are others?

Peace, Mooh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 06:26 PM

The Ed Sullivan Show
The Smothers Brothers Show
Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In
Bonanza
The Dick VanDyke Show

UH-OH!!! LOST IN A TIMEWARP AGAIN!!! HELP!!! MY COMPUTER JUST VANISHED!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,An English Patriot
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 06:33 PM

Not Only...But Also
MOnty Python
Hill Street Blues
Star Trek:Next Generation
Any decent documentary on History


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: ranger1
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 06:38 PM

I watch TV purely for entertainment. Preferably mindless.
Current favorites:
CSI
Crossing Jordan
Joan of Arcadia
Third Watch
NYPD Blue

Former faves:
Gunsmoke
Due South (OK, I know it was kinda cheesey, but Paul Gross was really easy on the eyes!)
Firefly
Babylon 5
Star Trek (the original and Deep Space 9)


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 07:23 PM

As fir what's on today?

I don't know.... Other than the news and old movies, I don't watch much but...

.... I'm with purdy much with Bee-dubya-ell.

Laugh in
The Twilight Zone
Dobey Gillis
The Smuthers Brothers
...and the Honeymooners

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Raptor
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 07:25 PM

Due south was great untill they switched rays


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 07:27 PM

Babylon 5
Any Star Trek series or offshoot
Inspector Morse
Frost
Coupling


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 07:31 PM

cold feet (although its on only in reruns
          but a brilliant bbc award winning comedy series)   
nova
frontline
two men in a trench
csi
meet the ancestors


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Lilyfestre
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 07:47 PM

I don't watch too much television both by choice and circumstance (we get 3 channels on a REALLY good day!). When I do watch, I like:

Little House on The Prairie
Joan of Arcadia
Cold Case
Saturday Night Live (although I generally miss more than half
                     because I fall asleep!)
And 1 reality show...I love The Amazing Race!

Michelle


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:07 PM

From the past:

The Twilight Zone
Monty Python's Flying Circus
Police Squad!
I'll Fly Away
The Ed Sullivan Show

Honorable mention:

Bonanza
L.A. Law
That Was The Week That Was
Your Show Of Shows
Shindig!

Current:

The American Experience
The News Hour with Jim Lehrer
The Sopranos
Joan Of Arcadia
Jeopardy!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:40 PM

Whoa! How did I leave out All In The Family on my first post? One of my alltime favorite shows. What does that bump from that list? Tough one. I guess Police Squad, since it was only on for six (hilarious, though!) episodes.

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Mar 04 - 11:49 PM

Just watched episodes 1, 2, and 3 of Soprano's 2nd season on DVD. What a superb show!

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: musicmick
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 12:59 AM

Ethics in America

West Wing

Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood

Your Show of Shows

Maverick


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 04:10 AM

From the past-

Bonanza
Ed Sullivan
Dr Kildare
Smother's Bros
TWTWTW
Twilight Zone

In the 70s, I was out of the country, and didn't watch much telly. On my return I caught up with;

Star Trek
Monty Python
Masterpiece Theatre

And more recently-

Star Trek NG
Babylon 5
The Simpsons
Buffy/Angel
The Office
West Wing
6 Feet Under
ER

Funnily enough, I watch far more TV here in England, than I did back in the States, and most of them are American Shows at least six months old! The state of British Television has sadly declined to shows on cooking, DYI, gardening, and far too many "real people doing crap things" for me to count.

PS-Not asked for but I'm including it here anyway...the ALL-TIME WORST TV program I can ever remember seeing was "Boudicca".


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Metchosin
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:24 AM

Daily Planet (despite the fact that I find most of the regulars annoying)
Trailer Park Boys
Prime Suspect (even if it is more than the 2nd time around for some)
A Touch of Frost (ditto)
Top Dogs
NPR Bull Riding (much to the distain of the rest of my family)

I do miss Eco-Challenge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Sooz(at work)
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 06:39 AM

MASH my all time favourite
Simpsons
Royle Family
Anything with Victoria Wood
Blackadder


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:26 AM

I'd forgotten Buffy, X-files and 24!

I agree with you Ellenpoly - UK tv is abysmal these days. I'm temporarily housebound and can't stand the pap that passes for entertainment much of the time. Thank goodness for DVD and video. I' part way through watching series three of B5 on DVD - superb series - can't wait for the remainder to become available.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 08:05 AM

Thank you Sooz, I was tempted to put M*A*S*H down 5 times, but assuming it to be my first choice the the others are.

Tutti Frutti
Rock Follies
Laugh In
William and Mary

I might add, any programme with Rick Stein in it.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,earthling
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 08:44 AM

The Office

The League of Gentlemen

The South Bank Show

Time Team

Blackadder


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 11:13 AM

Giok, thanks mate - I'd completely forgotten 'Rock Follies'. Fantastic! Rula Lenska - Ggggggrrrrrruuummmpphhhhhhh!!!! Sex on a stick! And Julie Covington - great voice and excellent actress.

And it reminded me of a series called 'Shabby Tiger', which was the vehicle for the first TV appearances of Prunella Gee and the wonderful Sharon Mughan, former star of the Gold Blend adverts (now changed her name to Maughan because that's what everyone calls her). Brilliant story, great scenery, superb acting (if a bit 'seventies').

I'm going to lie down in a darkened room now.

Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Blackcatter
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 12:04 PM

My current favorites are:

West Wing
Simpsons
ER
Secrets of the Dead
Monster Garage


All Time:

Monty Python's Flying Circus
M*A*S*H
X-Files
West Wing
Star Trek TNG

And all: check out my website:

Blackcatter's World of TV Theme Lyrics

Over 700 TV theme lyrics - tell me which ones I don't yet have!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 12:44 PM

Alltime worst? My Mother The Car, and from the 1950's, Suicide Theatre, have to be up on my down list. Also the 1962 and 1989 World Series.... because my San Francisco Giants lost. *BG*

Chanteyranger


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 01:33 PM

I admit to having 40 M*A*S*H videos, each one with 3 episodes on it.
An addict; who me?
John


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Peace
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 02:34 PM

If you ever watch it and recall this, Giok, how many hoops did Potter make in the basketball episode?


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Bagpuss
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 03:19 PM

Current/ recent things I'd set my video for if I was out:

Black Books
League of Gentlemen
Phoenix Nights
The Office
Spaced
Sopranos
6 Feet Under
Nighty Night
Catterick
Look Around You
Any dramas by Tony Marchand, Alan Bleasdale, Dennis Potter and probably others I cant think of at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: fat B****rd
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 04:53 PM

Hey, Strollin', I used to watch that. Book by Howard Spring and there's a sequel called Rachel Rosing. So there !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 04:55 PM

Monday Night Raw
Smackdown


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:14 PM

The Simpsons, MASH, Northern Exposure, Ballykissangel, Ed, Twin Peaks, Mary Tyler Moore, Dick Van Dyke, original Bob Newhart show, Monty Python

It is hard to limit it to 5, still hard to name only 10.

All in the Family, Malcolm in the Middle, Arrested Development, The Prisoner, Meeting of Minds, Smothers Brothers, Johnny Cash Show.......
and so many more


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 05:18 PM

Mary Tyler Moore was a great show. So was Smothers Brothers. And I am not surprised to see BlackAdder getting so many mentions.

- LH


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Raptor
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 06:47 PM

Starsky And Hutch The original Not the comedy movie coming out soon!
Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: ranger1
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:07 PM

I refuse to acknowledge any episodes of Due South after they switched Rays. I had a hard enough time when they switched Diefenbakers, but as that was mostly a non-speaking part, I could deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,dinnerlady
Date: 26 Mar 04 - 07:37 PM

Six Feet Under
Sex and the City
The Office
The Royle Family
Monty Pythons Flying Circus
Nighty Night
Any good doc (did anyone see The Boy who's skin fell off??)
Fawlty Towers
Anything with Michael Palin in it


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 04:26 AM

Funny how tastes vary, there are at least 3 of Dinner Lady's choices that I would go to the end of the world to avoid. Still it's good that we're not all the same, I've watched the Benny Hill show dubbed in Portuguese, and I've read Asterix in the oridinal French, By Toutatis! So at least some humour travels.
Anybody else in the UK loving 2DTV?
John


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Raptor
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 08:53 AM

"Dead like me" is also great!

Raptor


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: 42
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 09:54 AM

gilda radner tap dancing stuck to everything in sight due to Dr. Bunsen Honeydew's latest invention - superglue- puts the Muppet Show at the top of my list.

oh... and Pride and Prejudice

j


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Blackcatter
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 12:30 PM

I just rented the DVD of the first season of The Office. Very, very funny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 12:43 PM

Speaking of which...why has Barry Manilow never hosted a cooking and fashion show on prime time TV?


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 27 Mar 04 - 12:50 PM

Who nose!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Raptor
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:34 PM

The Nose nose!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Little Hawk
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:51 PM

The nose have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 01:41 AM

Nobody nose!


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 03:13 AM

Oooh how could I have forgotten the Muppet Show and the first years of Sat Nite Live?? Especially the former, as it was one of the only shows I saw on Greek TV during the 70s. It was subtitled, so I would be laughing my head off while the people around me shook their heads wondering why. As I learned to read more Greek, and read the subtitles and realized how poorly the translations were, I not only mourned for their loss, but also began to understand how much else is lost in translation between countries. Poor Kermit and Miss Piggy, Greece missed out understanding some great cultural role models!..xx..e


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 01:16 PM

After watching the news and political commentary, I generally need to get back to something a bit more sane. That's when I watch an episode of SpongeBob SquarePants.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Kim C
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 01:36 PM

Not in any particular order:

West Wing
King of the Hill
Kingdom Hospital
CSI
As Time Goes By


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: RangerSteve
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 08:56 PM

My favorite defunct shows: Burns and Allen, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, the Dick Van Dyke Show, Bob Newhart, Green Acres (go ahead, sneer, look down your noses, I don't care), and Amos & Andy. That last one will earn me some dislike, but I've known a lot of black people who thought it was a great show, too.

Modern shows: Law & Order - all three versions, Antiques Road Show -the American version, The Simpsons, Malcolm in the Middle, Keeping Up Appearances.

I would have put Friends and Frazier on the list, but I think both shows have overstayed their welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 10:02 PM

RangerSteve, I loved Green Acres. The show really poked fun at itself and at television in general. I remember one episode where Eddie Albert was standing around giving one of his patriotic speeches about the importance of the farm or something, and there was a fife playing patriotic music in the background. One of the characters turns to another and says "every time he starts a speech that music comes up, where is it coming from?"    I love shows that knock down that wall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 01:12 PM

Yeah, I have to agree about Keeping Up Appearances. Onslow is my role model.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Jaze
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 06:48 PM

Burns And Allen
Dark Shadows
China Beach
Current:
American Dreams
Whoopi Goldberg


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: GUEST,Fred Miller
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 12:53 AM

My sister and I used to like to watch Monty Python, and then the PTL Club immediately after, in the same spirit.

I too loved Green Acres and believe it holds it's own in intellectual depth with anything on t.v. ever.

Sopranos, but I wait for video.

NYPD blue used to be very good, and is okay. But for all the attention it recieved I've never met anyone else who watched it.

The Practice is pretty darn good sometimes.

Long commercials for Hits Of The Whatever Decade cds. I love those.

Kolchack the Night Stalker--long time ago my favorite show.

A new show, The D.A. is pretty well-constructed in plot and also fascinatingly bad in execution. Really bad acting, amazingly amateur dialogue.

Recess is good--last night saw one where the crabby old teacher had a sign taped on her back "point at me and whisper". Arthur isn't bad--I liked when Yo Yo Ma was on and D.W. kept calling him Yo Mama. And my kids love Extreme Home Makover.


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Subject: RE: BS: Top 5 TV Shows
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 08:11 AM

Hey Fat B****rd, I never knew it was Howard Spring who wrote 'Shabby Tiger' or that he wrote a sequel (Rachel Rosing being the character played by Sharon Mughan of course!). Not only a Fat B****rd, but also a Clever B***er!! :0)

But I can still remember Prunella Gee swimming naked in the pond................!!!

Cheers Mate,
Johnny :0)

PS - I almost typed Prunella Scales - not quite the same thing eh?


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