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Subject: message to BAZ
From: skarpi Iceland.
Date: 02 Oct 98 - 10:00 PM

can you tell me the name of the songbook wich has The Manchester Rambler song , if i recall you said that you would have it in a Dubliners songbook. I´m sick for Irish music , i even have my own music band and ofcourse we play only Irish music , both on cealic and english. hope you can help me out . dia duit.

skarpi from Iceland.

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: Barry Finn
Date: 05 Oct 98 - 03:36 PM

Skarpi, if it's the words you want there in the DT, search Manchester Rambler, there's also a brief in there, there's, also some input in the search forum. This is not an Irish song, Ewan MacColl who wrote it for his Raido Ballads series was an Englishman, who's songs have ended up as being sung as traditional songs from, God Knows Where. Barry

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: BAZ
Date: 07 Oct 98 - 05:44 PM

Skarpi
The book is called THE DUBLINERS song book with 64 songs and 15 instrumentals. Printed in Ireland by Abbeyset Ltd,, Cavan.
If you are desperate for Irish lyrics, music, and chords there is a book by SOODLUMS (158 songs)distributed by Music sales Ltd. 8/9 Frith street London W1V 5TZ. or a set of 4 (total about 200 songs)small books published by Ossian Publications PO. Box 84, Cork, Ireland.
Hope this helps, anything else I can do leave a message.
Regards Baz.

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 07 Oct 98 - 06:33 PM

G'day Skarpi, Barry and Baz,

As I understand it, Ewan MacColl's Manchester Rambler song is much older than the Radio programme The Ballad of John Axon in which it appeared - written for the Manchester Ramblers walking group. The Radio Ballads went on to be a remarkably documentary successful series, integrating interviews, actuality, folksongs and composed or modified song by Ewan MacColl, Peggy Seeger (and A.L. Lloyd?).

John Axon was about an engine driver killed when he stayed with a runaway train, trying to stop it. There were subsequent Radio Ballads about Coalmining, Road Building, Gypsies, Boxing, Herring Fishing, Disturbed Teenagers and probably more. Many songs came from the tradition and some went back into the traditions of Ireland, Scotland and England. The series started ~1959 and ran through the 1960s on BBC Radio.

Off the top of my head, some other (well-known?) songs that came from the Radio Ballads include: The Shoals of Herring, (from Singing the Fishing) The Big Hewer, (From Coalmining programme) Move Along, (from The Travelling People) Sweet Thames Flow Softly (from ???) Hot Asphalt ... A celebration of the work of the road-builders, not the old music hall, cop-killing version (from Song of a Road.

I know that a number of the Irish songs used in Song of a Road were changed by Ewan MacColl from earlier songs and a lot of what he did went back to the traditional singers. This programme also had one song based on an Australian original and, since I worked on Australian big construction jobs in the 1960s, I often sing this one - 'The Fitter's Song'.

Many of these songs were in the Ewan MacColl & Peggy Seeger Songbook, now out of print. I believe I did see (in a recent Mudcat thread asking about all the Seeger family) some hint that Peggy Seeger is working on a new, expanded version of this and we may see it soon.

Regards,

Bob Bolton

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: Martin Ryan
Date: 07 Oct 98 - 08:02 PM

Bob

Peggy Seeger hopes to have the Complete Ewan McColl Songbook out within the next year. It contains many unpublished and/or unrecorded songs.

Regards

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: skarpi Iceland
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 04:49 PM

BAZ thank you very much for the info. I tried to contact the puplisher in Ireland with no luck. So do you have any more info about this firm , such as address or a phone number. If you have coult you give that to me! with thank´s skarpi from Iceland.

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: BAZ
Date: 09 Oct 98 - 06:02 AM

Martin
Thanks for the news about Complete Ewan McColl Songbook it seems worth waiting for and long overdue.
Regards Baz

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: Bert
Date: 09 Oct 98 - 01:14 PM

You can find some Ewan McColl books at Amazon under "Support Mudcat"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search/002-0368211-2379877?mode=books&keyword=ewan+maccoll&tag=themudcatcaf

Was he English? I always assumed he was a Scot.

Bert.

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: BAZ
Date: 09 Oct 98 - 04:55 PM

Skarpi
I'll see what I can do.
Baz

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: Martin Ryan.
Date: 09 Oct 98 - 07:44 PM

Bert

He was born in England, of Scottish extraction, as far as I remember.

Regards

Subject: RE: message to BAZ
From: skarpi Iceland
Date: 14 Oct 98 - 06:09 PM

dear BAZ , I´ve tried to find the publisher and the name that you gave me with no luck. I have the little books that you told me about and many more , but song book with the dubliners are my faivorite. I have a question !!! is there a phone or fax number in the songbook or more details . if so send me a line. I hope some times I can come to Ireland and stay there for a while , and learn more about the music and the the cealic witch I´m learning all by my self at my home , I think I´m number five here Iceland that have learned the cealic. Here in Iceland the winter is coming so I send a good reg. to you . SLÁN . skarpi Iceland.