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Job for Accordionist

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ALEX_ 29 Mar 04 - 12:57 PM
CarolC 29 Mar 04 - 01:24 PM
Amos 29 Mar 04 - 01:30 PM
CarolC 29 Mar 04 - 01:34 PM
Amos 29 Mar 04 - 01:55 PM
CarolC 29 Mar 04 - 02:06 PM
Skipjack K8 29 Mar 04 - 04:55 PM
Johnny in OKC 29 Mar 04 - 05:20 PM
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The Fooles Troupe 29 Mar 04 - 08:31 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 29 Mar 04 - 09:07 PM
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Subject: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 12:57 PM

Hello. I'm Alex, russian accordionist currently in South Korea.
I wonder : is it possible to the professional duet of accordionists to find a job abroad through the internet?
Anyway, I'd like to have some chat periodically with all who loves accordion and to share experience and impressions.

See our Homepage: http://accordiomania.com


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:24 PM

Hi Alex. I play the accordion, although I just play for pleasure. Sam Pirt here in the Mudcat plays professionally, and Skipjack K8 plays semi-professionally. You might want to send each of them a Personal Message about getting gigs.

What sort of music do you play? My favorite music to play on the accordion is traditional Finnish music, but I also play music from other countries as well. Do you play any traditional Russian music? My impression about Finnish music is that it must have a lot of Russian influence.

What kind or kinds of accordion do you play?

I'm glad you posted this thread. We don't get very many chances to chat about our love for the accordion here.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:30 PM

Oh, I dunno, Carol -- I recall you've chatted about it from time to time, although you do tend to get put on the defensive. Why not start a thread on what you love about it? Mebbe I'll get my wife to add to it!

A


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:34 PM

Hi Amos. What's the sound of one accordinist chatting?

Hey Alex!

I just listened to some of the stuff from your site. I LOVE it! You guys are a lot of fun to listen to and I love your musical sensibilities. You shouldn't have any trouble at all getting gigs abroad if you promote yourselves properly.

(P.S. Amos, why don't you get your wife to post to this thread?)


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Amos
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 01:55 PM

Because she doesn't have a job for an accordionist??

A


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 02:06 PM

Amos, notice this invitation from Alex in the last line of his post:

Anyway, I'd like to have some chat periodically with all who loves accordion and to share experience and impressions.

Go get yer wife!

;-)


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 04:55 PM

Blimey, I wondered what happened to our NikNak, and the little polyinstrumentalist has turned up playing squeezebox in South Korea!

Nice site Alex, and I particularly liked the Libertango track. Unfortunately, it would be difficult for you to get mainstream gigs (ie well paid) in the UK, but on the strength of your professional style, you would be able to get folk club gigs up and down the country. You may know of Loyko, the Russian gypsy trio, and they went down a storm here.

Good luck with whatever you do, and try and keep your hands off the fiddle player! Talk about being surrounded by top totty!


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 05:20 PM

Hi Alex!

Mudcats, here is the link:
Accordionomania

If you haven't heard them, now is the time.

Johnny in OKC


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:31 PM

It's pop - definitely not folk music, but lots of fun.
Be sure to check out the videos ...
My favorite is "It's Snowing"

JOHNNY in OKC


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 08:31 PM

Hi Alex,

it's good to see you post here - checked out your site ages ago. We chatted in the Mudchat the other night & I mentioned the thread here on Accordion Techniques. I would be delighted if you wanted to contribute.

Technique: Piano Accordion for The Recycled Muso

If you ever make it out to Australia, I would be delighted to chat with you and listen to you play.

Perhaps you may be able to access a PC with a microphone from time to time to join the Paltalk acouostic session: we'd sure love to hear you (and any others who accompany you) live.

With regard to your website, I found a small problem. Because of my minor disability, I have my PC set up a certain way. Because of this, the print on many of your pages is far too small for me to read. I can't do anything about this, because of the system that you use on your website (supplied by your website provider - Flash) - it has set the font size (in concrete) and I can't adjust it larger to make it readable at my end.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:07 PM

I play accordian.

Never tried being a duetist....but always had a desire to attach a blues-harp at the head, cymbols at the knees, and bells at the heels to become a one-man-band.

Sorry,fellow sojourner ALEX_,/b> there is little respect within this forum for the squeeze-box.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

The Korean Nation is famous for their virtuositic prophicency on the accordian.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 09:11 PM

Only from certain individuals, Gargoyle, glad to see you back again.

It was the people in charge of this forum who turned my original small submission into a Permathread, and encouraged me to expand it. A few other kind souls here helped with useful contributions, but it appears that not very many expert players have been willing to join in so far.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Mar 04 - 11:13 PM

I wouldn't call their tango stuff "pop". I'd say it comes very close to being in the "classical" category.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 07:30 AM

They are very good - I fought the slow link to hear and see all their stuff. They are technically very good, the style being very "commercial" - that 50-60's accordion style that is now not quite in favour any more in "western" english speaking countries, but still popular in Europe etc - very middle of the road accordion music.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 04:27 PM

Hi CarolC - not pop, well neither is "Czardas"
but I'm just saying. It would be really great
to see them!

Love, Johnny


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 31 Mar 04 - 11:48 AM

First of all, thank you all for participation, for advice and help! When you are being discussed it is possible to know a lot of new things about yourself .

In next, I have a big request to all - my English pretty bad, therefore please write simpler, not using difficult idioms...:))

Honestly speaking, on our site one type of our creation, which can be identified as popular music with the small raid of jazz, is presented only. All arrangements of the pieces represented on our site I did myself, not pursuing a purpose to write in any certain genre. In our life concert programs we can present the music of different genres and directions. Of course, we fully skilled in the so-called *Gold fund* of Accordion art - waltzes, tango, chanson et cetera - pieces which are the classics of accordion creation. But there are a lot of teams playing the music of such plan , that is why we decided to think of something new, and therefore decided to add elements of dance in the works and backround music.

Two years ago right after graduating from Conservatory in Russia we began to work in South Korea, Seoul, in the biggest indoor amusement park in the world *Lotte World*. In May of this year our contract is finishing and now we are searching the further place of work. That is why I appealed with a request to you on this forum, with hope on the help and valuable advices.

Recently on the site of I read announcement about that the Disneyland company searches an accordion performer for work in Tokyo Disney Sea Park. I contacted them called and finally, the manager, responsible for the hiring personnel answered me, that we perfectly suit them in every point, but unfortunately one accordionist is required to them only. He promised to keep us in mind, in case of any other vacancy. Well, we hope!

Every team needs a manager who would be engaged in advertising and search of work. Unfortunately, while such man at us is not present and we as we can we are engaged in all organizational questions.

By the way, what you think about "Undertango" - a piece of totally different direction on our site, which unfortunately does not make such great success for ordinary listeners, as all the rest..


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:39 AM

Hello, Foolestroupe !
With pleasure I will take part in any discussion about accordion, but ask you to specify concretely topics in which I could be useful .


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 09:51 AM

Well, I have a specific question. Does anyone here use the accordion to accompany singing? The only record I have of anyone doing that is Davie Stewart who is idiosyncratic to say the least. Suppose you are singing ballads or folk songs -- anyone have any experience with this, for instance, do you play the bass line, or just deep chords to accompany, or do you play the tune as you sing, or ornament, or what? (I am a novice, but am learning so that I can accompany myself). I have a piano accordion, and my tendency is to try and play it as if it were cocktail piano accompaniment, but somewhere in my psyche I think this is wrong. Any advice appreciated.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 10:34 AM

Strictly speaking, you can do whatever you want & especially, whatever works for that particular song in the style you want to do it - which doesn't specifically answer your question, I know... :-)

Me, I'm having enough trouble just pushing the buttons and things to worry about singing at the same time yet...

A simple drone on the chord buttons only can be useful, but you might want to phrase it in keeping with the song - i.e. don't just let it drone on permananently... and/or use the chord buttons on the rhythm accompaniment with or without using the tune on the keyboard - or you can use the keyboard for the chordal stuff instead of the chord buttons - you will get 'piano style' chords then (with whatever inversions you want) instead of the fixed format chord you get with the buttons - also you can get totally different chords if you hand finger them - like guitar chords...

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 11:53 AM

I have a lot of experience accompanimenting to singing. And I can say that two things are the basic of successful accompaniment - your theoretical preparation and your experience. By the main method of play for accompaniment to yourself are long-holded chords,smoothly transferring one in other and top part of which can make some melodious line. Anotherwell known method of accompaniment - is to play with right hand metrical harmonic chords, which repeat the rhythm of the chords in the left hand, or ( in more slow tempos) are more various rhythmically.

It's better to start with simple long chords, gradually making harmony and rhythm more improved. Then it is possible to add the small melodious insertions while there is pause in the melody of song or long note.

I should also mention the importance of function of bass in accompaniment - it must always be heard and sound deep, enabling to the performer to lean against its strong beat.

Glad if I able to help you.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 02:37 PM

Are the simple long chords in the left hand (bass), or on the piano side? I was also wondering if people used the movement of the bellows to match the voice (long drawn out movement, etc.) or keep the movement of the bellows steady.

yours,

Peter


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:03 PM

ALEX & I said the same thing mostly - in differerent ways - with the exception of his comments about the bass notes always having to be loud and deep. Disagree with that entirely - depends on the song and mood.

If you ALWAYS have the Bass like that, ALL your songs will sound the same. If you always play every song in the same style, you will sound even more limited than your musical talents may allow.

With no disrespect intended for ALEX and the other fine musicians on his web site - that is my only real criticism of the music placed there, it has a tendency to all sound very much the same.

Variety is the spice of life - and music.

Pop music (shudder) DJ's understand that - or else all the songs would be exactly the same tempo, and exactly the same musical arrangements.

Peter,
Your instincts about the use of the bellows are good (that's one style) - sometimes you get a better result for a song doing it phrased that way, but sometimes, the steady motion of the bellows works better, also 'bellows flutter' (explained in more detail in the Permathread I mentioned before) can sometimes sound appropriate to the song. Also sometime you can 'vamp' the sound - REST ; CHORD ; CHORD ; REST ; CHORD ; CHORD ; etc - depends on the song and the style. Guitarists do this too...

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 07:19 PM

BTW, the Piano Accordion is NOT a piano. I discussed it elsewhere (see the thread above) - Pianos are PERCUSSSION instruments, piano accordions are REED instruments, but the because of the BELLOWS, the Reeds can be made to whisper, whine, scream, howl and bark! :-)

Hope you can follow that ALEX... :-) You CAN get very percussive effects with appropriate use of the bellows..

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Johnny in OKC
Date: 01 Apr 04 - 08:29 PM

I'm with Foolestroupe on variety ~~ use all the variety in
your playing that you can.

Believe me, Alex knows all about using the bellows. He is
a master of the shake. I can't do the shake. All I do
for singing is the left hand chords, with an occasional
fill-in on the right. My songs are simple too.

Love, Johnny


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 09:50 AM

I use the accordion to accompany my singing, which has a certain symetry, as my singing is about as popular as the accordion! However, Peter, you did ask, and the way I do it is as Alex describes, playing strong rythmn on the left hand, and chording with the right hand on the keyboard end, by playing D, F# and A for D major, D, G and B for G major, and just E and A for A major. If I need to bung in a B minor chord, I just play D and F#. In this way I don't have to move my hand position at all, and I don't make any mistakes (err, well, mostly not!). I then do a middle eight bars, playing the tune on the right hand, which varies the piece. I don't play the tune of the song on the right hand whilst I'm singing for two reasons. One, I'm more likely to lash up the playing because I'm trying to remember words, and two, if you take away the left hand, you are left with a one dimensional copy of the tune which is dull and boring.

Another trick I use is running down the arpeggio very rapidly, which gives the accompanimemt a bit of rocking, but I am talking about fast rollicky-bollicky (sorry Alex!) Irish songs or shanties.

It's a great instrument to accompany singing, because the rythmn section is so rich and strong.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 12:22 PM

Thanks for the assistance, lots of nice ideas -- I particularly appreciate the idea of a middle eight where you do the tune and shut up, obvious really but I hadn't thought of it.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 01:10 PM

By the way, what you think about "Undertango" - a piece of totally different direction on our site, which unfortunately does not make such great success for ordinary listeners, as all the rest...

I like it a lot. It's the piece that sounds almost "classical" to me. When I was listening to it the first time, I was thinking it would be great to use as a part of a film score. My son's a budding filmmaker, and I'm thinking about having him listen to it. He's in the process of collecting a musical library for possible use in future film projects.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 08:22 PM

Foolestroupe noticed, accordion belongs to REED instruments that requires absolutely different approach to perform other than to piano. The most common mistake is to apply technique of piano playing to accordion. (It is so difficult to put in words what you could so easy show just once and everything would be understood...)
Bellows is the unique organ of accordion like lungs in human body. It lets music breathe and fills it with a soul. The correct use of bellows is a must for successful play of accordionist, and I think that is the most important accordion skill.
In my teaching practice I encountered many mistakes of the use of bellows by beginners. The biggest mistake is changing direction of motion of bellows during actual single note.
Another mistake is incorrect moving of bellows as simple pulling and pushing instead of natural sideways and slightly downward motion to open, straight sideways and upward of lower part of bellows motion to close.

So, please tell me how you use bellows, what you learned from your experience and share secrets of your methods in using bellows.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 09:05 PM

Alex,

most of my collected accordion thoughts are in the Mudcat thread I mentioned before - above. It's lengthy - about 140 Kb of text...

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 09:14 PM

Dumb question time. I once hosted a Russian Bayan player on a cultural interchange between Khabarovsk and Anchorage. Is a Bayan an Accordion, just with different keys? When I think of accordion, the keys resemble piano keys. The Bayan has what appear to be old-style typewriter keys. I am untutored as to the sound, but it seemed to be the same sound. This gentleman was a background player for a Russian folk choir which visited our city. We quartered the players and choristers in various homes around town.

One of the songs I remember was a Russian love song called "Zorka Alaya" I learned the Russian to it, but it's got a lot of metaphors, so I only think I understand what it's saying!


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 09:30 PM

Alex,

we should hear each other play sometime - there is a sound "chat room" for which you will need a mike & speakers on your PC - every thursday night Mudcat time on Paltalk.

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 11:45 PM

The bellows is definitely the soul of the accordion for me. It's difficult for me to explain the ways I use it, but as for changing bellows directions during a single note, I will sometimes do that to produce a similar effect to that of changing the direction of a bow in the middle of a note in playing a violin.

I like to use the bellows to give my playing nuance, so I pay more attention to my bellows technique than just about any other aspect of my playing. I also use it to convey emotion and feeling, so I really like using the bellows to make the sound swell and recede, to sound soft and reflective, or sweet, or rich and full, or powerful.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 12:55 AM

ALEX_

As posted in several other threads of similar corrilary.....I like to create a vibrato of the bellows and an organ equivilant of "Vox Humana" by resting the instrument upon my thigh (while seated) and doing a "rock-climber's sewing machine knee" for a tremelo effect.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 08:36 AM

I use that too, Garg, but using the knee to kick the rythmn so that it gives each beat a bit of thump. I must admit that I never concentrated on the bellows, and my playing style just happened.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 11:31 AM

Foolestroupe, thank you, I already began to read threads about an accordion on Mudcat, though it turns out at me not so quickly as I want. The idea of meeting in the internet is very interesting, I have a microphone and speakers, but I do not know what is Paltalk. And I see another problem - I afraid, the my colloquial English is much worse of my writing, and scarcely I will be able clear to express the thoughts in the circle of professionals of English. Anyway, I with pleasure would take part in such meeting, even if as a passive listener!

Robomatic, a bayan is Russian name of button accordion. A bayan conducts the history from the ancient relative - Garmoshka, simplest type of bayan, small size and limited range. On a bayan you can play the music of different genres and directions , but I consider best of all sounds on bayan folk music , such as "Zorka alaya" which you heard, and so on. Modern bayans have registres as on an accordion and free-bass system in a left keyboard, which allows to play a polyphonic music, modern and etc. In Russia professional accordionists also have free-bass on the accordions, I played exactly on such accordion during a study in a college and in a conservatory.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 11:42 AM

A bit less then a month - that is all the time we've got until we leave Korea (where we've spent about 2 years) and now we actively carry out the search of a new work, because from Russia it will be much more difficult... I apply with a big request to Mudcats in the assistance in search of work.
As far as I think, we can apply to work of performing plan, in different entertaining companies, restaurants, entertaining parks, appearances with the concert programs, and can be even - teaching work.
We'd appreciate any advice or wishes.
Thank you
Accordiomania


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 07:57 PM

Can't be of any real help with work - there are "entertainment parks" In Australia too Alex - Dream world, Sea world, etc.

System has gone crazy - typing not working correctly... back later..

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 12:56 PM

OK accordionists, here is a question. In an article on substitutions I have been reading, the author makes reference to a well known trick, which is to get (for example) an Am7 chord on the bass, by pressing the Cmajor chord button, and reaching over to the A counterbass over the F next door, thus giving you C,E,G,A. Then there is a strange reference to making 7th chords from diminisheds using the counterbass. The basic idea seems to be that the diminished as it exists on the accordion is only three notes -- in C, C, E, Gb. Somehow this can be turned into a 7th of some key by using the counterbass, but I am too stupid to figure it out. Anyone help?

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 01:48 PM

Well, I think I have figured this out. It turns out (I didn't know) that the diminished on the accordion is actually the 1,3, and 7, dropping the 5th (in C, the Gb). So, a C diminished is C, Eb, A on the accordion. If you add the F note from the next row over, you get a full F7 - F, A, Eb, C. When you would ever need this, I don't know.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 02:05 PM

Peter, as far as I am concerned with that outer row of buttons, kraakens be there, as it is over the edge of the world. Only reach as far as the major 7ths, and then only on Sundays.

What you say is quite correct about building minor chords out of major chords and basses, and I have had to do it this very day. I had a go at singing 'Hard Times Come Again No More' with the box, and found that the key of E suited my vocal range the best. The problem is that the minor chord, and God in his heaven knows what it is called, does not exist on the top end of my 72 bass range, so I had to construct it with an E major chord and the C# counterbass. I have just taken ages to work out what that bugger is called, as I play by mathematical patterns, so the notes just have spacial coordinates rather than names. I know stuff about keys purely for communicating with other musicians who want to share a tune.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 02:16 PM

It's a C# minor! yours, Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Peter T.
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 02:21 PM

The one that really bugs me is trying to get a progression like C-Dm-Em -- easy as pie on the guitar, but you have to fumble around on the acc.

The other bitch is getting bass runs down from let's say, C, where you want to go C-B-Bb-A -- and your mind has grooved down C-B-A. Crumbs.

yours,

Peter T.


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Apr 04 - 09:12 PM

Peter T

You have revealed part of the arcanery of the Stradella Bass System that is not widely available. I have elsewhere skimmed over the fact that early manufacturers used to include the 5th, but after a certain date - and I don't have all the facts as to when this occurred - there was an international agreement that all new accordions Bass Systems would omit the 5th from the chord buttons.

As to the construction of "extra" chords from the combination of existing Stradella Bass System buttons, I haven't stumbled across any writings on this. Most "Learn the Accordion" System Books don't even cover Bellows shake, especially in the early parts (doubtless why there are so many "Omm-Pah-Pah" style players out there!) let alone such advanced Musical Theory Arcanery as this.

If you were "Classical Music Method Trained" - which would be often happening on a seperate path from the "Practical Lessons" by your teacher - which is why it doesn't appear in these books I mentioned! - you would be learning Musical Theory as a seperate set of lessons with written homework, and written Exams. Judging by my personal experience, you probably wouldn't get near this sort of stuff until after 4 or 5 levels of theory exams. Either that, or you would have been expected to UNDERSTAND the theory you had learned enough to just make this sort of stuff up on your own... :-)

Good work guys!

(Music Theory? - We don't wan't no stinkin' THEORY! Be Practical Man!)

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 04:54 AM

'Hard Times Come Again No More'

has no minor chords in MY version, just I IV V...
:-)

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 06:55 AM

Let us pause in life's pleasures (in key of D)
And (A) count its many (Bm) tears
(G) Whilst we (D) all sup (A) sorrow with the (D) poor

(repeat for second eight)

(D) 'Tis the sigh, the song of the (G) we(D)ary,
(D) Hard times, (Bm) hard times, (G) come again no (A) more,
Many (D) days you have lingered out(A)side my (Bm) cabin door,
(G) Oh, (D) hard times (A) come again no (D) more.

That's probably all wrong, but bunging the minors in makes for a nice run


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: GUEST,Lindswidder
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:39 AM

Yep, I'm an accordionist too, here in South Wales. I play for the local Welsh Border Morris, the Widders (www.thewidders.co.uk)
I often wondered about playing for a living, but I enjoy it to much to make it my "job"


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 11:02 AM

Yes, easy on the guitar, Skipjack K8, but it takes a fair amount of practice to get used to the jumps - of course, once you have learned the RELATIVE jumps in one key, you can do the same relative ones in any key. And you have to make sure you don't run out of fingers... making that little finger work helps sequences like this (use all 4 fingers on the left hand!)

Of course, this piece is one of the ones that works best on the little "Hero" 8 bass - and there are NO minor chords on that instrument! No choice, mate! :-)

But of course, if you play the right notes on the right hand, you get a sound that is not unlike actually playing the minor chord anyway...

Robin


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: GUEST,Bill
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 02:06 PM

Alex -
If you are looking for professional gigs, a good place to contact Reyes Accordions. The easy way to get ther is to click their URL in your guestbook on your web site. It is the only English comment. Their web site contains a forum similar to this, but more exclusively dealing with accordians and Mexican / Mexican-American music. Good luck to you, and let us know where you are going. It would be fun to see you.
-Bill


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: ALEX_
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 02:36 PM

Somethinng interesting for you, I think. A month and half ago I took part in the record of song of one popular Korean singer. Last week a CD was publish and I would like to presents this song on your attention.
http://www.seoul8.hotmail.ru

Next make a klick an "13-AccordionVersion.mp3" - for download.

It is necessary to say, sufficient time for preparation to the record at me was not present. I've reseived the CD with record of song for 6 hours till arrived in a studio. And I was very surprised that to record a song it is needed in the key to C-minor key, although on my CD it was in to C#-minor key. So was to me to invent the party in motion. Thus a sound producer stages me in scopes and gave limitations in the play. Not to use fast passages, to play in so-called *Korean pop style*. Anyway, after 3 hours of the strained work we made off a record. I think, it will be interesting to you to listen modern Korean pop music with participation of our favourite accordion:))
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By the way, on this site you can look the pictures of the Seoul spring, which I did recently:))


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Subject: RE: Job for Accordionist
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 09:37 PM

Peter T

could you share with us the article on substitutions you metioned above?

Robin


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