Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafemuddy

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rustin)

rich-joy 30 Mar 04 - 04:31 AM
Stewie 30 Mar 04 - 06:01 PM
rich-joy 30 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM
rich-joy 03 Apr 04 - 08:22 PM
Jim Dixon 05 Apr 04 - 10:19 AM
Franz S. 05 Apr 04 - 11:09 AM
rich-joy 11 Aug 04 - 05:36 AM
Vashbul 09 Sep 10 - 03:24 AM
GUEST,Gerry 09 Sep 10 - 08:28 AM
GUEST 02 Sep 13 - 09:58 AM
rich-joy 03 Aug 18 - 09:32 AM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:





Subject: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went - Bayard
From: rich-joy
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 04:31 AM

by Bayard RUSTIN ...


any takers???



related to refreshed thread : Chris Couveau : Ballad of Reading Gaol

Cheers! R-J


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: Lyr Add: I SAW HER AS SHE CAME AND WENT (B Rustin)
From: Stewie
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 06:01 PM

Here you go, R-J. My copy of 'And So Will We Yet' appears to be disintegrating with paint peeling off the disk. However, 'I saw her' can still be read by the laser:

I SAW HER AS SHE CAME AND WENT

I saw her as she came and went
I saw her queenly, meek and mild
As innocent as any child
A flower among her flowers
Among her flowers content

I come again and in her place
A silence and a vacant room
And in my heart a sudden gloom
That I no more shall see
No more shall see her face

There was a word I might have said
But what it was I do not know
I let the days fly by and now
Now I must say it to
Must say it to her dead

Source: transcription from Bok, Muir and Trickett 'And So Will We Yet' Folk Legacy CD-116.

--Stewie.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went - Bayard
From: rich-joy
Date: 30 Mar 04 - 09:23 PM

THANKS heaps, Stewie!!!

Now, how close is Bok, Muir and Trickett's tune of the above, to that version you have on tape of Lawls singing "The Ballad of Reading Gaol"???

Cheers! R-J


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went - Bayard
From: rich-joy
Date: 03 Apr 04 - 08:22 PM

refresh

wadyareckon Stewie?!


also, surely Mudcat should have some info on Bayard Rustin entered - perhaps on this thread? (can anyone oblige?)

Cheers!
R-J


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went - Bayard
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 10:19 AM

Bayard Rustin was an important civil-rights leader who worked closely with Martin Luther King. He was black, a Quaker, a pacifist, a former communist, and gay ("relatively open for his time"). He worked for peace and justice on many fronts. For a 1-page biography, click here.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rus
From: Franz S.
Date: 05 Apr 04 - 11:09 AM

Bayard was a fascinating man with a beautiful voice. His connection with Martin Luther King is particularly interesting. According to some sources, they met in Montgomery when he arrived to explain to MLKJr that preaching nonviolence and keeping guns at home for self defense was a little inconsistent.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rustin)
From: rich-joy
Date: 11 Aug 04 - 05:36 AM

Could some kindly Link Pixie please do a blickey for me between this thread and the Chris Couveau ? Ballad of Reading Gaol thread ???!!!

Thanks.

Cheers! R-J

Done. --JoeClone, 12-Aug-04.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rustin)
From: Vashbul
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 03:24 AM

This is a six year old thread that I am reviving. I have been searching for the source of the melody to this song. I've known it for years as a tune used by my uncle Donald Mork, known in folk circles in the fifties and sixties as Seraffyn the Wandering Minstrel, to back up his reading of Yeats' "Song of Wandering Aengus",

Here is a recording "Wandering Aengus" you can download.
http://www.mediafire.com/?z0fujf34gtmx2n6
It's a home recording made by my dad in his back yard, Uncle Donnie plays the lute, and his wife Ania Romaine sings the wordless tune. It's a beautiful combination, and I wondered for years where this plaintive song came from. The only clue I had was when, a few years later, Uncle D. made a record of "Wandering Aengus" (the same arrangement but with a different singer behind him), and in the album notes says "The accompaniment is an old lute exercise, to which a friend of mine composed the little melody you hear". On the label, the credit was "Yeats/Rustin".

That's what lead me to Mudcat and this thread. Someone mentioned Bayard Rustin and a recording of his song, "I Saw Her As She Came and Went" made by Bok, Muir and Trickett; I checked Amazon and the snatch they let me hear was most definitely the Eureka! moment. (It has also apparently been set to an Oscar Wilde poem; see the thread linked above called "Chris Couveau ? Ballad of Reading Gaol" for more on that.)

So, aside from the Seraffyn record I can also tell you this about the Bayard Rustin song: when I read the words above, I realized they were more or less the words to a song called "I Saw Her" by the Flamin' Groovies, from their Shake Some Action LP in 1976. What's interesting is the tune of "I Saw Her" is not the same as "I Saw Her As She Came and Went" (or "Wandering Aengus"), though it's very similar - you could almost sing the two together and make a nice Mamas and Papas harmony.

Questions not answered: where did the Groovies get this song? They credit it to "Jordan/Wilson/Wilhelm/Hunter", no mention of Bayard Rustin. Jordan and Wilson were in the band, Wilhelm is surely Mike Wilhelm, who was in the Charlatans and played solo before joining the Groovies after this record, Hunter I don't know who, unless it's the Grateful Dead lyricist Robert which is surely possible. In any case, they should have given due to the real author, even if they wroth their own melodic variation - but I'm more interested in where they got the song, because I don't know of any sheet music nor recordings made of that tune with those words together until Bok and company, many years later. The other question, what is the "old lute exercise" Uncle Donnie mentioned, from which Rustin is supposed to have fashioned this haunting air?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rustin)
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 09 Sep 10 - 08:28 AM

Ed Trickett has a few words to say in the liner notes to the Bok Muir Trickett recording: "This was written by Bayard Rustin, the civil rights activist. I first heard this song in the early 1960s at a coffeehouse in Washington, DC. It was sung by a group of blind musicians.... You can hear another rendition on Harry Tuft's Across the Blue Mountains (Folk-Legacy FSI-63)."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rustin)
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 09:58 AM

It's to my understanding that this piece is based on a poem. I can't remember the name of the poem but I do believe it was written for a nun. I came across this piece in an old book years ago and always loved it. I never knew it had been turned into a song. I've been trying to find the original author of this piece via the internet and not having much luck. That's how I stumbled upon this page.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Saw Her As She Came And Went (B Rustin)
From: rich-joy
Date: 03 Aug 18 - 09:32 AM

This is just to say that in the "Chris Couveau - Ballad of Reading Gaol" thread from yonks ago, there are now details of my YouTube upload of the "Reading Gaol" song and its provenance, so far as I can ascertain - including the Bayard Rustin connections.

/mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=67831&messages=12

I hope Vashbul is still around ....


Cheers! R-J
Down Under


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 21 October 6:17 AM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.