Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:26 PM

Guess everyone didn't know that.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,One GUEST or another
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:26 PM

Not to post anything offensive to you, of course.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:25 PM

OK. Thanks.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:24 PM

Is that allowed? To use someone else's 'signature' like that? Curious. Strick ofetn signs his posts with that :D. Good Guest who posted at 4:55 did that. What gives?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Good Guest
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:24 PM

:D is internet smilie for this

Everyone knows that.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:22 PM

"Define a sellout."

Well, Dylan for starters.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:19 PM

Why is someone signing Strick's ":D" to the Good Guest posts?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Good Guest
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:11 PM

"Can't really imagine Joan Baez doing a similar ad for some firm that sells bloke's underpants..."

Hard to say. You haven't been to Chippendale's on senior's night, I take it.

Ron, I am too me. He's not him! Or her. Guess it is confusing.

Looks like Dylan's not the only one selling out and I bet brucie's at the bottom (no pun intended) of it.

Selling Out?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:06 PM

1)Being a older man who still appreciates younger beauty does not make me, OR Dylan, a 'pervert'. (I can appreciate pretty younger women...I don't expect them to jump in my lap. Who should I look at-Bella Abzug?)
2)Millions of young girls don't CARE- they like being admired and like it when they can make $$$$ BEING admired.
3) this thread started as fun...it has become another stupid debate about who offended who first.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:04 PM

Define a sellout.   The fact that you are on a computer and not using your name shows that you too have sold out. You aren't you!!!!

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:03 PM

Can't really imagine Joan Baez doing a similar ad for some firm that sells bloke's underpants...

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 05:02 PM

Right, Dylan selling ladies knickers isn't selling out.

And so what if it is? I'm sure he needs the money to buy his Viagra.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:58 PM

True. It's the penguins.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Good Guest
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:55 PM

Who said this was a sellout, anyway?

But brucie, everyone knows you've contributed to the downfall of civilization in so many ways even if we have to let you off the hook for this one. :D

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:48 PM

Sure he can, but who said he shouldn't?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Define Good
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:48 PM

Because he is Dylan, he can't be a sell out????

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:47 PM

What Dylan's doing may or may not be right, but at least everyone know who he is. I don't feel I've contributed to the downfall of western civilization because I don't use my money to purchase from VS. Nor have I seen the ad--the blue clicky gave me a chopped up version of it. I would suggest, again, that people who disagree with the subliminal or in-yer-face stuff simply write the company and tell it they are losing a customer. To guote one of the subjects of this thread, "Money doesn't speak, it swears." What should be of greater concern is the dollar figure one of the guests (3:42 pm) quoted above. Three and a half billion dollars is lots of money. So, maybe all the perverts aren't dirty old men. Got to be some gals out there wearing the stuff. Well, them and penguins, huh?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:43 PM

Because Thoreau said it, it must be true????

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Define Good
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:43 PM

Love,

Brother Bob

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Good Guest
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:38 PM

Thoreau never did get those royalties, did he?

brucie, naw, still not that interested even if I did post a couple of times defending Dylan.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:34 PM

The rich man . . . is always sold to the institution which makes him rich. Absolutely speaking, the more money, the less virtue.

Henry David Thoreau

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:33 PM

Why do we need to know why he did it?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:33 PM

GUEST: Get your cookie and repost.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:32 PM

Does anyone know why Dylan decided to do anything?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:31 PM

"Btw, does anyone know why Dylan agreed to do the ad?"

Common suggestions:

Money
Wanting to be hip
Attractive, scantily clad women on the set
Money

Wait, I'm good GUEST and I lost my cookie. What are you trying to say, brucie?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:25 PM

THREAD HACK AND EXTRANEOUS GDUESTS ALERT!!!

Btw, does anyone know why Dylan agreed to do the ad?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:21 PM

hithead

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:21 PM

Same to you, S

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,02 Apr 04 - 08:45 AM
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:19 PM

Sure, bad brucie.

But instead of carrying on like this though, why don't you just grow up and stop doing this idiotic "I'll pretend to be an obnoxious, anon guest" every time you put your foot in your mouth in threads we disagree in a thread? This behavior of yours brucie, is really getting tiresome.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:18 PM

Ruuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnn. There coming, ruuuuuuNNNNNNN.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:17 PM

Where is Stephen King when he is needED!

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:14 PM

Loose your cookie, right bad guest?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:14 PM

It is Dylan stupid.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:13 PM

How do I know it is Dylan in the ad? Just ask one of me.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:11 PM

OK, let's play.

If Dylan weren't in the ad I doubt I would have noticed it. Dylan with his hair dyed and slicked back that way, well, who wouldn't wonder what was up?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:05 PM

Lets play trolling for GUESTS.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 04:04 PM

ITS NOT FAIR.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:59 PM

It isnt fair that people use my name like this.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Neil to Bob
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:57 PM

THIS NOTE'S FOR YOU

Don't want no cash
Don't need no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.

Ain't singin' for Pepsi
Ain't singin' for Coke
I don't sing for nobody
Makes me look like a joke
This note's for you.

Ain't singin' for Miller
Don't sing for Bud
I won't sing for politicians
Ain't singin' for Spuds
This note's for you.

Don't need no cash
Don't want no money
Ain't got no stash
This note's for you.

I've got the real thing
I got the real thing, baby
I got the real thing
Yeah, alright.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:52 PM

Your guest is as good as mine.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:50 PM

Even though I do not have a problem with the commercial, I do see something odd at work here.   Why are there over 80 postings about Dylan and underwear when another thread about Dylan and what is probably going to be considered a masterpiece of a recording (Live 1964) has only 9 comments at this time?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:48 PM

Thank you for telling me about the Victoria's Secret empire. I can't ever see myself shopping there. I don't know which GUEST posted the info, but thanks. If you are the GUEST who had a few things to say to me, thanks and go f#ck yourself. You certainly care more about VS than I ever will.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:44 PM

GUEST: You have some serious issues. Who you are may be one of them. Your obsession with ads is another. Good luck finding a doctor. You need one.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Prissy Penguin
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:43 PM

This stuff doesn't shock me in the least. I've seen worse.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:43 PM

My cookie was destroyed when my computer was overhauled, and I haven't been interested enough to get a new one. I do agree that there are more than one GUEST here. I believe that Dylan's supposed to represent a dark presence that contrasts with the "white angel" and his character isn't learing, although I understand that that could be the ultimate attraction of the commercial to many people.

Yes, I know what Victoria's Secret is and am not ashamed of understanding that women wear underwear nor am I particularly titlated by it when I see it. I have even spent the obligatory boring hours waiting in a VS store while my wife was trying things on. She buys there because they carry bras that fit her, not because of any input I have.

It's only underwear, after all. The rest is what you let be in your head.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:42 PM

This one is for brucie, since he doesn't know what Victoria's Secret is:

Victoria's Secret chief underscores growth
Company to enlarge stores, Nichols tells CSU students

By Janet Forgrieve, Rocky Mountain News
March 4, 2004

FORT COLLINS - Colorado State University students got to hear the serious side of selling frilly things.

Grace Nichols, president and chief executive officer of Victoria's Secret Stores since 1991, detailed the business of the famous lingerie retailer Wednesday as the keynote speaker for the school's Business Day.


"Behind the glamour, the supermodels and the public face, there is a business structure supporting all that," she said.

The brand's story begins 22 years ago, when Les Wexner wandered into a European-style lingerie boutique on a trip to San Francisco. Wexner, chairman and CEO of Limited Brands Inc., saw the potential to develop the concept into a large national chain, Nichols said. Soon after, Limited paid $1 million for the company.

Today, as the largest of Limited's brands, Victoria's Secret operates 920 U.S. stores and generated $3.5 billion in sales in 2002, including about $1 billion from online and catalog sales.

The picture was quite different in 1986, when Nichols joined the company as vice president and general merchandise manager.

"There were 100 stores, $100 million in sales, and the stores didn't make any money," she said.

Heavy discounting was common, she said, with the average bra selling at $12.

That began to change in 1993 with the first national advertising campaign, which included TV commercials and print ads. Since then, the company has grown to command a much bigger chunk of the $12 billion U.S. lingerie market.

Nichols showed the audience a clip of commercials, as well as a reel from all the free news and talk-show coverage of the company's world-famous fashion show.

The combination of advertising and public relations campaigns around the fashion shows spurred rapid growth in the 1990s, she said, and also allowed the company to stop heavy discounting.

Today, the average bra in Victoria's Secret sells for between $35 and $50, she said, and sales happen only twice a year, in January and June, to clear out seasonal items.

According to the company's annual report, filed with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, Victoria's Secret saw sales at stores open more than a year climb by 6 percent in 2002.

The company expects to see bigger jumps in the coming years, as it works on increasing the size of its stores in existing markets, Nichols said. More stores, which now average about 5,000 square feet or so, will take on the look of the 21,000-square- foot flagship Manhattan store.

In markets where the renovation and expansion have been done and customers have more to choose from, she said, sales have jumped by almost 50 percent.

Victoria's Secret expects future growth to come from its continued focus on core items - bras and panties - as well as its sub-brands, including its best- selling "Body by Victoria" line, which brings in $500 million in annual sales.

This year, the company launched a new sub-brand, called Pink! and aimed at 18- to 24-year-old women, slightly younger than the company's typical customers.

And Victoria's Secret plans another ad blitz beginning this month. The latest commercials will feature not only a song but a guest appearance by music legend Bob Dylan.

"We asked him to be in the commercials and he said yes, he would gladly go off to Venice with the supermodels," she said.



By the numbers

920: Stores in the United States

$3.5 billion: Sales in 2002, including $1 billion in catalog sales

$12: Average price of a bra in 1986. Today's price is between $35 and $50.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:38 PM

I like the young girls, I can't stand Dylan. S and M is my thing.

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:36 PM

Bob Dylan looks for commercial success as Secret partner
By CLIFFORD PUGH
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle

The secret is out.

Scantily clad models in a new television ad for Victoria's Secret are prancing around the palazzo Palazzo in Venice with an unlikely companion: Bob Dylan.
The music legend, whose songs fueled the 1960s counterculture, even sports dark facial hair that looks like a bad dye job in the ad, which first aired on during American Idol Tuesday night.

It may seem a bit disheartening to longtime Dylan fans -- the New York Post dubbed the bizarre pairing the "sellout sell-out of the week" -- but the singer apparently had his reasons for appearing in the ad.

"We asked him to be in the commercials and he said yes, he would gladly go off to Venice with the supermodels," the underwear firm's CEO, Grace Nichols, recently told students at Colorado State University.

The Dylan connection was established last year when Victoria's Secret creative director Ed Razek sifted through the music of more than 50 singers, from Tom Waits to Luciano Pavarotti, hunting for a tune for an ad featuring a lingerie-clad model with angel wings.

"We put everything against the track, and nothing worked like Dylan," Razek recalled.

The song, a remixed version of Love Sick from Dylan's 1997 album Time Out of Mind, "captures everything relationships are about," Razek said.

For the ad's sequel, which will air for the next three weeks, the company used the same song -- and snagged Dylan to appear on-screen for the first time in a commercial. A nine-track CD of Dylan songs is available at Victoria's Secret stores for $10.

The odd combination opens the door to all sorts of grizzled rock star/product pairings. Will we see Aerosmith's Steven Tyler for L'Oréal hair-care products in the future? Or maybe Neil Young for Maybelline?

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: GUEST,Britney
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:32 PM

I'm like, whatever. He's some famous singer, right? Victoria's Secret stuff is totally awesome!!! I would sooo love to model for them! I'm like, chill out, GUEST. You need it bad, that's what I'm guessing. Awwww...

Subject: RE: Bob Dylan for Victoria's Secret
From: Peace
Date: 02 Apr 04 - 03:32 PM

GUEST: You nailed yourself for what YOU are.