Subject: RE: Black Bird Lyrics From: Bruce O. Date: 06 Oct 98 - 05:44 PM By far the earliest text is that in Melismata, 1611. It's at: I don't know if this is in the Lant MS, c 1580, where many pieces given by Ravenscroft are to be found. |
Subject: RE: Black Bird Lyrics From: belter Date: 06 Oct 98 - 05:41 PM Thanks for the help. to bad I had the wrong child number, but the discusion has been interesting anyway. Does anyone have an abc of the melodie? That would be the slower tune associated with it that I'm looking for. |
Subject: Lyr Add: TWA CORBIES From: Pete M Date: 06 Oct 98 - 04:29 PM Yes, Barbara, that's what I always understood. Rich, if you want a more astringent and realistic version, "Twa Corbies" is in the database here. Incidentally, the words in the database seem to be a bit "Anglicised", and in the process have, to my mind, lost some of it's immediacy and impact. For a good discussion on the poetic structure of the poem and the choice of words see "The apple and the spectroscope" by T. R. Henn, Methuen 1951. TWA CORBIES 2 from the DT (amendments in red = word changes to the version given in Henn, blue = corrections to make more sense (In my opinion)) As I was walking all alane I heard twa corbies makin' mane And tane ontae the tither did say Whar sall we gang and dine the day In behint yon auld fail dyke I wot there lies a new slain knight And naebody kens that he lies there But his hawk and hound and his lady fair His hound is tae the hunting gane His hawk to fetch the wild fowl hame His lady's ta'en anither mate So we may mak' our dinner sweet "Ye'll sit on his white hause bane And I'll pike out his bonny blue e'en Wi' ae lock o' his gowden hair We'll theek our nest when it grows bare. Mony a one for him maks mane But nane sall ken whar he is gane O'er his white banes when they tane are bare The wind sall blaw for evermair The notes in the DT imply that the Three ravens is the original which was (possibly) re-worked by Scott in his "Minstrelsy of the Scottish Border", III, 239, ed. 1803. Henn argues for the opposite transition based on the use of language in the versions. He notes that the "Minstrelsy", although he does not mention it by name, is the first written record of Twa Corbies, but does not mention any earlier record of Three Ravens. I wonder if Bruce can shed any further light? Pete M |
Subject: RE: Black Bird Lyrics From: Barbara Date: 06 Oct 98 - 12:49 AM I always thought the last line was "and such leman" or "leyman" which, as I recall without the help of my Oxford Unabridged (what me, walk back to the house and lookitup?) meant either female deer or one's lady love. Blessings, Barbara |
Subject: RE: Black Bird Lyrics From: rich r Date: 06 Oct 98 - 12:32 AM Actually, Joe, I grew up on the "Billy Magee Magaw" version sung to the tune "When Johnny Comes Marching Home". It is much more in your face and pretty much lack any of the beauty of othyer versions/ rich r |
Subject: RE: Black Bird Lyrics From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Oct 98 - 08:45 PM At the risk of ridicule and disdain, I will dare to post the lyrics as they appear at the Peter, Paul and Mary Web site. Although many of us may not admit it, these are the lyrics we grew up with. Belter, if you search the database for #26, you'll find a number of versions. -Joe Offer- THREE RAVENS
(Yarrow/Stookey/Okun/Travers) Pepamar Music ASCAP |
Subject: RE: Black Bird Lyrics From: Bruce O. Date: 05 Oct 98 - 08:01 PM "The Three Ravens", Child #26. There a facsimile of the copy in Melismata, on the SCA Minstrel website. |
Subject: Black Bird Lyrics From: belter Date: 05 Oct 98 - 07:36 PM I heard this song on a tape I bought recently, the liner notes say its child 16, but the variants of 16 on the DT show little incommon beyond pregnancy and pepole dieing. can anyone fill in the parts bracketed with question marks? These are parts I had trouble understanding. Also, does anyone know the mellodie? Three Black Birds (child 16)
There were three black birds sat in a tree
There was a knight in yonder field
His hawks they fly so eagerly
She's picked up his bloody head
She's buried him before a ?shrine? |
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