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Trish 06 Oct 98 - 03:34 AM
Wolfgang Hell 06 Oct 98 - 03:58 AM
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Ewan McV 06 Oct 98 - 04:22 AM
Bobby Bob, Isle of Man 06 Oct 98 - 04:52 PM
Bill D 06 Oct 98 - 05:00 PM
Bobby Bob, Isle of Man 08 Oct 98 - 05:19 PM
Trish 08 Oct 98 - 09:11 PM
Garry Gillard 04 Jan 01 - 10:09 AM
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Subject: William Taylor
From: Trish
Date: 06 Oct 98 - 03:34 AM

Unfortunately I don't know much more about this song other than the title. Makes things hard I know. Would greatly appreciate any help, love Trish


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Wolfgang Hell
Date: 06 Oct 98 - 03:58 AM

Trish, I have the lyrics but not with me now. If nobody else posts them I'll do it next week.

Wolfgang


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Subject: Lyr Add: WILLIAM TAYLOR
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 Oct 98 - 04:10 AM

here's a version I found at this (http://www.contemplator.com/folk3/williamt.html) website:

WILLIAM TAYLOR

William Taylor was a brisk young sailor,
He who courted a lady fair;
Bells were ringing, sailors singing,
As to church they did repair.

Thirty couple at the wedding;
All were dress'd in rich array;
'Stead of William being married,
He was press'd and sent away.

She dress'd up in man's apparel,
Man's apparel she put on;
And she follow'd her true lover;
For to find him she is gone.

Then the Captain stepp'd up to her,
Asking her: What's brought you here?
I am come to seek my true love,
Whom I lately loved so dear.

If you've come to see your true love,
Tell me what his name may be.
O, his name is William Taylor,
From the Irish ranks came he.

You rise early tomorrow morning,
You rise at the break of day;
There you'll see your true love William
Walking with a lady gay.

She rose early the very next morning,
She rose up at the break of day;
There she saw her true love William;
Walking with a lady gay.

Sword and pistol she then order'd
To be brought at her command;
And she shot her true love William,
With the bride on his right arm.

If young folks in Wells or London
Were served the same as she served he,
Then young girls would all be undone,
Very scarce young men would be!

From One Hundred English Folksongs (For Medium Voice) Edited by Cecil J. Sharp, Dover Publications, Inc., New York 1916, 1944, 1975


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Ewan McV
Date: 06 Oct 98 - 04:22 AM

The lyric Wolfgang has just given is my favourite out of some twenty versions I've seen in print!

The tune varies a lot in different publications from different countries - I seem to recall six or more versions in the Greig Duncan Collection from Scotland's North East. Then there's the Voice Squad Irish version on CD, very tasty.

Sharp and other Englsih collectors always got versions that varied a bit.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Bobby Bob, Isle of Man
Date: 06 Oct 98 - 04:52 PM

William Taylor turns up in Ellan Vannin (the Isle of Man) as Illiam y Thalhear, and a version of the tune is used for a set dance for a couple.

He also gets connected with the Isle of Man in versions of the song, such as the one by The Voice Squad, where William Taylor's Commander is so impressed by the way she comes along and shoots him dead that he makes her the Captain "of a vessel for the Isle of Man".

There's also a squib version that a group here in the Isle of Man, The Mollag Band, came up with a few year's ago -

Willy was a silly bastard,
Not a brain cell in his head.
Left his true love for another.
She came back and shot him dead.

You may need a good atlas to find the Isle of Man in the Irish Sea in the British Isles.

Lesh dagh yeearree share,

Bobby Bob


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 98 - 05:00 PM

and MY favorite version has the Captain offering her a job!

"Then said the Captain, 'My fair lady, pray, tell me what deed you've done"
I have shot young Wille Taylor, with a double barreled gun"
"When the Captain did behold her, and the deed that she had done...
He has made her chief commander 'oer a ship and a hundred men"


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Bobby Bob, Isle of Man
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 05:19 PM

Just to return briefly to this thread -

There was a version of William Taylor sung by Joseph Taylor in about the year 1908. It was recorded on a wax cylinder by Percy Grainger. At the time, Joseph Taylor was something like 72 years old, but was a remarkably good singer, whose style inspired Martin Carthy, for example.

Joseph Taylor was the verger of the church at a village called Saxby All Saints in Lincolnshire. I had a sort of pilgrimage to his grave some years ago. Saxby All Saints is the next village up the road from Horkstow, where lived the miser who mistreated poor old Steeleye Span.

Topic Records released an album some years ago called Unto Brigg Fair. It has recordings by Joseph Taylor, plus some other recordings of the same vintage. Listening to the voice of a man born in the 1830s and still sounding fresh, even at the age of 72 or so, is quite strange, in a way.

I don't know if it's available on CD, though I think odd tracks may turn up on other compilations from the Topic Archives..


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Trish
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 09:11 PM

Thanks VERY much Wolfgang for your efforts. I am very greatgul indeed. It was also interesting to read all the other submissions. Tar, Trish


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Garry Gillard
Date: 04 Jan 01 - 10:09 AM

I have put up the tracklist and all the lyrics for the important LP Unto Brigg Fair, including those for "William Taylor".

Garry


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Kim C
Date: 04 Jan 01 - 10:41 AM

Mister and I do the Voice Squad version where the lady becomes the ship's commander. I kinda like that. :)


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: MAG (inactive)
Date: 04 Jan 01 - 12:08 PM

I do the Frankie Armstrong version, a cappella, in a minor key, with her getting the job. Great.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: GUEST,Bruce O.
Date: 04 Jan 01 - 04:23 PM

It's Laws N11, but I couldn't turn it up on the DT. There's both a comic version and a 'straight' version, but Laws does not distinguish between the two. I don't know which was the original. The straight version is "William Taylor" on the Bodley Ballads website (Mudcat's Links).

The comic one is "Billy Taylor" in 'The Universal Songster', I, p. 65, 1828, complete with illustration. This one commences "Billy Taylor was a gay young fellow". After she (Richard Carr) shoots Billy Taylor she becomes first lieutenant of the gallant-- THUNDER-BOMB.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: widowmaker
Date: 10 Jan 01 - 04:04 PM

Hi there there is a very good version of this song by a Northern Irish band called "DEANTA" Unfortunately I cant remember the name of the album but the version is well worth listening to.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: GUEST,rosie
Date: 30 May 04 - 04:53 PM

there's an EXELLENT version of William Taylor sung by Bill (Belinda) Jones, and her lyrics are unique.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 May 04 - 05:11 PM

The version by Bill Jones is certainly very good but unique lyrics? Pretty much how I got it from Robin Dransfield at least 30 years ago...

Another fine version is sung by James Patterson on the Patterson Jordan Dipper CD Flat Earth.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BILLY TAYLOR
From: The Villan
Date: 31 May 04 - 11:25 AM

Many years ago, I saw Cilla Fisher and Artie Trezise sing that twice, once in Scotland when I lived up there and once in Amsterdam when I lived there.
It was also on an LP that they recorded, which I bought but no longer have, got worn out.
I like their version BILLY TAYLOR.

Cilla Fisher & Artie Trezise: For Foul Day & Fair (Kettle Records KAC-1, 1978)
Side One: Sodger Laddie; Rhynie; Feein' Time; The Bothy Lads; The Jolly Beggar; BILLY TAYLOR; Laird O' the Dainty Doonby
Side Two: The First Time (Archie Fisher); The Shepherd Lad; Twa recruitin' Sergeants; False Lover Won Back; The Miller; The Maid Gaed Tae the Mill; The Final Trawl (Archie Fisher)

Lyrics

BILLY TAYLOR

Billy Taylor was a sailor
Full of joy and beauty gay,
'Stead of Billy gettin' married
He was pressed and forced away.             A*

cho: Fol rol lol, de rol lo lie do
    Fol rol lol, de rol lol lay.

But the bride soon followed after            B*
Under the name of Richard Carr;
Snow white fingers long and slender
A' covered over wi' pitch and tar.

cho:

She's buttoned on the sailor's clothing,    B*
Dressed herself up like a man;
Awa' she sailed like a tarry sailor
All aboard the Mary Anne.

cho:

A storm arose upon the ocean,                A*
She bein' there amang the rest;
The wind blew off her silver buttons,
There appeared her snow-white breast.

cho:

"Now," said the captain, "My fair lady,      B*
What misfortune brought you here?"
"I'm in search o' my true lover
Whom ye pressed the other year."

cho:

"Now," said the captain, "My fair lady,      B*
Come pray tell me what's his name?"
"Some folks ca' him Billy Taylor
but Willie Taylor is his name."

cho:

"If Billy Taylor's your true lover,          A*
He has proved to you untrue;
He got married tae another
Left ye here alone to rue."

cho:

"Rise ye early in the mornin',               B*
Early by the break o' day.
There ye'll see young Billy Taylor
Walkin' oot wi' his lady gay."

cho:
She rose early the next mornin'             B*
Early by the break o' day;
There she saw young Billy Taylor
Walkin' oot wi' his lady gay.

cho:

Gun and pistol she's commanded,             A*
Gun and pistol by her side;
She has shot young Billy Taylor
Walkin' oot wi' his new-made bride.

cho:

"Now," says the captain, "My fair lady       B*
Come pray tell me what you've done."
I have shot young Billy Taylor
Wi' a double-barreled gun."

cho:
When the captain did behold her             B:
And the deed that she has done,
He has made her a chief commander
Over a ship and a hundred men (or gun).

cho:

(Note: Cilla Fisher and Artie Trezise recorded this for Folk
Legacy; they use two variant melodies, Identified here as A* and
B*)


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Subject: Lyr Add: BILLY TAYLOR
From: GUEST,Frank Ohnesorge - Die Kapellis (Irish Folk &
Date: 31 May 04 - 12:20 PM

My favourite version of William (Billy) Taylor is the one singing by Karin Polwart with her great band "Malinky" on their second CD called "3 Ravens". And here are the lyrics:

BILLY TAYLOR

Billy Taylor was a sailor
He was courting a fair lady
Instead of Billy getting married
He was forced untae the sea
But his bride soon followed after
Under the name of Richard Carr
Snow white fingers long and slender
Covered ower wi' pitch and tar

Far-da-ral-da-rum-dum-daddy
Fal-da-ral-de-rum-dum-day

She's dressed herself in sailor's clothing,
Oh but she was a bonnie young man
Away she sailed upon the ocean
All aboard the Mary Anne
A storm arose upon the water
She being there amang the rest
The wind blew off her silver buttons and
There appeared her snow-white breast.

Far-da-ral-da-rum-dum-daddy
Fal-da-ral-de-rum-dum-day

"Well now" says the captain "My dear lady,
What misfortune brought you here?"
"I'm in search of my true lover
Whom you have pressed the other year."
"Well" says the captain "My dear lady,
Tell to me the young man's name"
"Some folk call him Billy Taylor,
William Taylor is his name."

Far-da-ral-da-rum-dum-daddy
Fal-da-ral-de-rum-dum-day

"Well if Billy Taylor's your dear lover
Then he has proved to you untrue;
He's got married tae another
And left you here alone to rue."
"Rise ye early in the mornin',
Early at the break of day
And there you'll spy young Billy Taylor
Walkin' oot wi' his lady gay."

Far-da-ral-da-rum-dum-daddy
Fal-da-ral-de-rum-dum-day

She rose early up next mornin',
Early at the break of day.
And there she spied young Billy Taylor
Walkin' oot wi' his lady gay
Gun and pistol she commanded,
Gun and pistol at her side;
And there she shot – young Billy Taylor,
Walkin' oot wi' his new-made bride.

Far-da-ral-da-rum-dum-daddy
Fal-da-ral-de-rum-dum-day


By the way, I heard a german version of this song singing by Michael Lempelius (former Black Bush, now touring as solo-bouzouki & mandoline player) called "Willy Dose". Did anybody knows the lyrics?

Yours,

Frank

P.S.: please visit my homepage on http://www.kapellis.de (thanks)


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 31 May 04 - 06:05 PM

Frank, Michael is now based in London. You can contact him at archmusic at onetel dot net dot uk. Also, I hope he'll be back to tour Germany with Brendan Power again next autumn.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: pavane
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 01:28 AM

There are several versions in the Bodleian Ballad library, some under the name The Female Lieutenant or The Faithless Lover rewarded.

Two examples (One of which I can't find at present) name the ship as the Thunder Bomb, which was a real ship, originally captured from the French.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 10:58 AM

HMS Thunder was an often-used name for a bomb vessel (a specially constructed or adapted vessel for firing mortars from an anchored position) Between 1695 and 1833 there were no fewer than 9 of them, so take your pick. The line about making her a chief commander of a ship is pure landsman's drivel though. I do remember a final verse something like 'If all young ladies in Bath and London acted this way, how very scarce young men would be.'


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: Les from Hull
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 02:34 PM

Bodleian reference here


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: GUEST,wschultz@nhpd.org
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 02:48 PM

The version cited by Wolfgang is nicely sung by Roger Wilson of The House Band, although I think the recording he made was on a solo album


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 07:19 AM

There's a superb acappella version of William Taylor on Swan Arcade's last album, "Full Circle" - plus lots of other classic traditional songs.


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Subject: RE: William Taylor
From: GUEST,Strudelbag
Date: 03 Jun 04 - 12:14 PM

Around 1987 or '88 I heard a version on NPR with a chorus that included words about "the breezes." It may have been in a story about Mystic Seaport. Does anyone have the words to this version or know if it's been recorded?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: William Taylor
From: Lighter
Date: 03 May 21 - 03:10 PM

Charles G. Leland, Songs of the Sea and Lays of the Land (1895), pp. 81-82:
        
        “There was a pause--when someone merrily
        Struck up a song which all have known of old;
        How Billy Taylor’s sweetheart went to sea,
        And how she fought in an engagement bold.”


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: William Taylor
From: GUEST
Date: 04 May 21 - 04:11 AM

William Taylor
William Taylor was a brisk young sailor,
Full of fancy in his head,
To me his mind he did uncover,
Said that he and I should wed.

Four and twenty British sailors,
Met him on the King’s highway,
As he journeyed to our wedding
Pressed he was and sent away
(That was his story anyway!)

Fol a didllum, a diddlem dido
What a load of load of twadlleum a dido day

Sailor’s clothing I put on
And climbed on board a man o’war,
My pretty little fingers long and slender,
That sailor’s tackle would explore

I thought I would escape detection,
Though the jargon I disdained,
Just the sharp end and the blunt end,
Never mind those fancy names

Fo a didllum, diddlem dido
What a load of twadlle-um a dido day

Of my disguise I did feel proud,
Suspicion none did I awake
Until that day that fateful day,
That I made MY FIRST MISTAKE!

I’d kept my secret undiscovered,
All my actions so discreet,
Until that day that I forgot
About that wretched toilet seat

Fola a didllum, diddlem dido
What a load of twadle-um a dido day

The bosun followed in after me,
And soon my secret did betray
Turned out he was a woman also,
Similarly dressed in man’s array..

Now a sailor’s work is hard and heavy
And very soon there came to pass,
That multiple wardrobe malfunctions,
Uncovered many another lass

Fol a didllum, a diddlem dido
What a load of twadlle-um a dido day

And now to prune the number of verses,
Not cut a short story long,
It turned out that this man of war,
Was crewed by women to a man.

All of us girls had thus embarked,
Putting on a man’s attire,
Were all engaged to William Taylor,
That fifty timing bloody liar

Fo a didllum, diddlem dido
What a load of twadlleum a dido day

So think about those men of war,
That sailed upon the ocean blue,
Crossing of the T with Nelson,
Made up of women in their crew,

Now men of war don’t often need,
Into a parking space reverse,
So this fact went undetected,
(Perhaps I should have left out this verse?)

Fol a didllum, a diddlem dido
What a load of twadlleum a dido day

And so us girls we all demoted,
Napoleon way down our list,
First we’ll settle the score with William Taylor
After which he won’t be quite as brisk!!

When we get hold of William Taylor,
He’ll rue he saw the light of day,
Is that him over there dressed as a woman,
To try to escape what’s coming his way?

Fo a didllum, a diddlem dido
What a load of twadlle-um a dido day

And so to end this long long story,
You’re probably completely bored,
I think one thing we know for certain
It won’t be winning a folk award!


Fol a didllum, a diddlem dido
What a load of twadlleum a dido day
(twice to finish)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: William Taylor
From: Lighter
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:02 AM

Cool!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: William Taylor
From: clueless don
Date: 04 May 21 - 06:41 AM

The version I heard started

Willie Taylor and his youthful lover
full of mirth and loyalty
they went to the church to be married
he was pressed and sent to sea

Then there's a chorus/refrain that goes "dally diddly dum, diddly dum dum dum dum, ..." etc.

At the end the captain offers her a job (as noted back in '98 by Bill D), i.e. "He made her a ship's commander, over a vessel in the Isle of Man".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: William Taylor
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 04 May 21 - 09:10 AM

Brilliant parody!

The fol de dol, diddly dum dum chorus comes from the burlesque 'Billy Taylor' as you would expect. Tol de dol diddly dum choruses were very popular c1800-1820.


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