BS: GUEST posters who start fights

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: TS
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 05:33 PM

Well..I was following this thread...but the more I read, the more I think this is simply a small tiff between a Mbr. and a specific Guest. I'm only saying this because I spent afew good yrs as a Guest, very much appreciating the info. and lyrics I received from Mudcat.....Slainte!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 05:24 PM

We should start a thread called "MEMBER posters who start fights"

NOT!

Wise up Rog.........

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: The Shambles
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 10:03 AM

We now appear to have unknown guests who are empowered to delete posts!

See this thread for details Deleted post

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Apr 04 - 12:11 AM

The Beatles were great folk artists, I completely agree, Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:58 PM

Re Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:42 PM


If it works for you, then Let It Be! (whisper words of wisdom, Let It Be)

(it definitely works for me - I've been called worse things than a "time waster" and come to think of it, those worse things I've been called never bothered me much either)

Let It Be.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:38 PM

No, that Guest definately had a ring around Hisanus. Not yours.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:30 PM

Saturn, actually.

But both of you were close.

Pling!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 07:24 PM

I thought the ring was around Jupiter or Pluto or something.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 06:42 PM

GUEST Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:50 AM - "time wasters like myself" - is it fair to assume that that applies to all the other people posting as unnamed GUESTS?

Makes life simpler to assume that to be the case.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:52 PM

Somehow I think my theory is closer to the truth...............

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,sorfingers
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:50 PM

The word 'wag' means 'comic' 'put on' which I picked up from old movies /media.

Also since 'Wanking' is a place in China, Wank must be nearer.

A Wanky, then, is an American person who cannot say 'y'. Or in comic circles, a Yanky with a speech impediment is a Wanky, which all makes perfect sense when you know that America is half way to China if you are in Iceland.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:41 PM

Too true, as I have ignored Little Hawk's goat for what seems like a century.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 04:14 PM

Well put Martin!   I think we do forget about how important entertainment is and we ignore what makes us feel good.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:51 PM

Well, Ron you are right, Martin Gibson is not my real name, but as far as guitars go, everything else is a wannabe.

Naw, I'm not Roger Ebert, but I find he likes the movies I like.

Movies are so much like folk music. It doesn't have to always be about art or tradition. It can also be about entertainment.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:44 PM

I knew it! We all know that Martin Gibson isn't your real name - but you've just given us a clue - you are really Roger Ebert!!! What are you up to Roger, giving some new material a try??   

:)

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:38 PM

I have a theory about this Brit slang that no one here gets, and it's got something to do with wanking your wag.

British slang is certainly not too colorful.

Wank and wag sound like something off a boring PBS show that was imported from the BBC.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 03:34 PM

Okay, I have to ask. Living in the U.S. all my life, I have come across the word "wag" but I've never really been sure on the definition. What is a "wag" exactly, and where did the phrase come from?

I know all about clowns. They usually end up running the country.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:52 PM

Mr Doug Ok ... lol your researching is impressive and I am delighted that the Muddie is still a folkie's site. But you are still way off about when I began posting. Back in those wild Muddie days we had many names you don't know such as the other Doug?? See it ain't as easy as you think.

Also I suspect but cannot prove that some of the current GUEST postings are real members or exmembers having a giggle. Seriously when a person gets on this site and poses as an authority on the origin of folk songs/tunes, or an expert in some folk stuff, some of us out here who know the facts may express a little doubt, even if only in the form of a bloody good laugh.

Sometimes members take themselves too seriously in the company of wags, wits and clowns which in life survive by amusing not informing!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:25 PM

Martin Gibson: You are as a breath of Spring; a zephyr of long-forgotten mountain air; a morass of metaphor in an alliterative sense. Welcome back.

Hey, GUEST that's having a go at Martin--bite me!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 01:01 PM

Guest (All I guess, because you can't tell one from another, so innocents get dragged in with the douche bag ones):

I had a great childhood. I'm still living it and enjoying it.

Your comebacks to me were not even close to being clever. Go contemplate the ring around Uranus.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 12:48 PM

Mr Doug I am here a lot longer than you think

Ok, so there was one earlier posting back in October 2001 under the name "sorefingers" before you dropped back to being a named GUEST, but that still leaves 20 posters on this thread who were active at the time.

What's more, of the 20 people who welcomed you to Mudcat, only 6 of them have not posted this year. In fact, most of those who have posted, have done done so this month.

Sorry to nit-pick but sometimes impressions can be mistaken and mistakes are often taken as fact.



Doug C

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 11:56 AM

You miss the point completely guest. So be it.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:58 AM

There's an idea, since I don't know where the hell Little Hawk's goat is.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:50 AM

Because the anti-guests are the ones expending all their energy caring how people post, which is something they can't control.

Of course, it's pretty obvious this forum is for time wasters like myself, so no harm is done. It just is so amusing watching all the pompous asses in this thread, pontificating about their superiority to a group of people they purport to not care about.

Kind of like 12 year old boys obsessed with masturbating.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 10:03 AM

Why not?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:55 AM

Why do you care?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 09:50 AM

Dunno, McGrath of Harlow. But he/she must be different from GUEST 18 Apr 04 - 02:47 AM , as he/she has not responded, so I assume he/she has pissed off as instructed.

It's safer to treat each unidentifiable GUEST as different from the others. They have to be told to piss off individually, if appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Apr 04 - 08:32 AM

From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 10:49 PM

From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:35 PM

Same person?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:35 PM

GUEST Shlio,

Re your 18 Apr 04 - 05:48 PM


You seem to be a sensible and considerate person, so I am confident you will be able to figure out something that will be agreeable to all relevant parties.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 10:49 PM

Hey Gibson!

You enjoy being as rude as you possibly can to me, do you?
You weren't so fucking smart last week, when you had to go for your Jack Daniels and your cold shower, along with your little weiner dog, who has a habit of finding himself in the kitchen at parties.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

You seem to have a well developed genitalia/digestive system fixation, from what I can gather.
Did you have a trouble-free childhood?

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,Jellybean
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 10:30 PM

Martin Gibson sounds just like Lepus Rex. MUWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAA!!!

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 09:58 PM

Mr Doug I am here a lot longer than you think.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:55 PM

No one is making any "demands". A lot of people are making a very reasonable request. And most of the people to whom that request is addressed comply with it, otherwise the place would be crowded out with nameless GUESTS. It'd be a plague rather than a nuisance.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:49 PM

GUEST,sorefingers

Of the dozens of people who were members when I joined only a couple are still around these days.

There are more than two dozen people on this thread alone who were members or named GUESTS when you started posting.


Doug C

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:48 PM

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 04:18 PM

Welcome back, Mr. Gibson, sir.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:25 PM

Hmmmm I'm back from a weekend trip.

The Guest who addressed me as "Gibson" you at least could have called me Mr. Gibson.

The probable same guest who referred to me as just a bigoted asshole who like guitars, you are nothing more than a skidmark in a toilet who has no life, and, is quite right that I do like guitars, but is quite wrong about me being a bigot. Please go off in a corner somewhere with your pathetically underdeveloped genitalia and take your life's frustrations out elsewhere. I just want you to know that I enjoy being as rude as I possibly can to you.

And that, John P. is what is so fun about a forum like this and it's difference in real life. I can if I want be so fucking rude to nameless, faceless jerkfaces when it suits me and not worry if they have a gun.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,sorefingers
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 03:07 PM

Of the dozens of people who were members when I joined only a couple are still around these days.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 02:57 PM

"Just because something isn't actually banned is no reason why other people don't have a reasonable right to ask people not to do it."

No McGrath, you don't have a "right" to make such demands in a forum that doesn't require anyone to do it. Now, I'm quite sure you and some other people feel strongly that your *expectation* of people filling in the From line be met, and maybe you do honestly believe it to be a birth right of some sort. But your expectation isn't even realistic, considering that Max has said he has no intention of changing the log-in and registration to post here.

BTW, it is quite simple and easy to open a second browser window, copy and paste the date/time off each post one wishes to reply to, and use that for the purpose of showing which post the current poster is responding. Everyone also has the ability to simply cut and paste the text they want to comment on in their own post. Not all that complicated, or difficult. You can respond to what is written easily, instead of to an real or pseudonymic identity.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:27 AM

Ah, John P, but how do you know whether the nameless GUEST who screwed up that thread was the same one as the nameless GUEST who started it? That's what's so stupid about the practice.

Just because something isn't actually banned is no reason why other people don't have a reasonable right to ask people not to do it. It's perfectly possible to post as a GUEST using a handle someone else has been using, but that doesn't mean that if, for example, someone else started posting here as "GUEST,Shlio", it wouldn't be reasonable to object to that happening. Posting as a nameless GUEST is just another way of doing essentially the same thing - it is posting in such a way as to confuse different people's identities.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 11:13 AM

"There is no such person... just a bigoted asshole who likes guitars"
Now who's the bigot ! ;-) Martin's liking guitars proves your point, GUEST, does it? Please do continue with your well-reasoned arguments, we are all eager to read the next installment of unattributable wisdom.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:18 PM

If you are discussing Martin Gibson, I will speak to that. You are wrong. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,Shlio
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 05:48 PM

Aw, heck, GUEST of the 17 Apr 04 - 11:35 PM

By the time I've read your comments, thought of a useful and sensible response, and read the rest of these fine posts, the date and time's gone clean out of my poor head. Names are so much easier to remember than numbers.

Plus, I can't respond to any of the other, more recent, Guests now, 'cause I can only copy one date at a time.

I realise this is not your problem, and I should be clever enough to remember a stream of times, but I'm not. I doubt many others here can either.

As to the last GUEST - "There is no such person... just a bigoted asshole who likes guitars.
Yes, maybe, but we all know that he's one consistently...

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 05:00 PM

"He cannot just be PMed, he can also be identified by name, traced, harassed, thumped on the nose. In other words, he takes full responsibility for his postings and offers his name and reputation to back them."

Absolute hogwash!
There is no such person... just a bigoted asshole who likes guitars.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: John P
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 01:22 PM

I was recently involved in a discussion here that was started by an anonymous guest. At first everything went along as normal, and no one seemed to mind that the person who started the thread and took a large part in the discussion was anonymous. As the conversation progressed, however, the guest became increasingly strange, leveling personal attacks against those who disagreed with it, not responding to reasonable points made against its arguments, and just saying the same thing over and over again in progessively strident and unpleasant terms. At that point, the anonymous nature of the guest became an issue for several of us, and we expressed that. It wasn't the fact that the guest was anonymous that caused everyone else to walk away from the discussion, or the fact that it was rude (although rudeness never works to get your message across), but the combination of anonyminity and rudeness. The guest decided that we were reduced to flaming anonymous guests instead of continuing the discussion. It apparently didn't get the message (even though it was spelled out clearly) that folks were walking away not because of its anonyminity, but because it was rude, and its anonyminity raised its rudeness to the point of indicating the presence of a wierdo.

John Peekstok

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: Peace
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 01:00 PM

GUEST: You can do the reasearch as easily as anyone else.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 08:35 AM

Voicing a differing opinion is not starting a fight. Although it is often seen as such on here. This is an open discussion board.

I wouldn't join a 'club' if I didn't agree with the rules. So why did you?

Some examples of guests starting fights would also be helpful.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 08:35 AM

"For those who really dislike the idea of guest posters "

Once again - virtually NOBODY dislikes the idea of "guest posters". It's the people who post as GUESTS, but who don't add any kind of name or whatever to distinguish them from other people posting in the same way in the same threads who invite and receive criticism. Most people who post as GUESTs don't do that.

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: GUEST,Jean Phillips. Very nice, well behaved GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 07:38 AM

I've noticed that whenever guest posters start fights, regular mudcat members are more than willing to don boxing gloves and join in. If guests are submitting posts that are designed just to irritate, annoy and be rude, for crying out loud just ignore them. Anyway, mudcat members (with real names or pseudonyms) are capable of being obnoxious and insulting to each other without the help of guests :-)

For those who really dislike the idea of guest posters you could:

Ask the site owner to get rid of the guest facillity
Leave this site and frequent ones without guest posters
Learn to ignore deliberately annoying guests

This is a very informative site with some real characters who can write well put together and witty posts, don't let annoying guest posters spoil it and don't think it would be all sweetness and light without them (and try not to put on the boxing gloves so readily ;-))

Subject: RE: BS: GUEST posters who start fights
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 07:27 AM

Ellenpoly, your thinking - and the fact thay you were honest enough to tell us about your little "cowardice" shows integrity. Bravo sou.