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BS: I Read it in the Newspaper

Stilly River Sage 12 May 04 - 04:31 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 May 04 - 04:31 PM

Ada's ready with a song
Her music has made all the difference in countless lives

EVERETT - Ada Haug is Everett's Julie Andrews. Her life is just like the movies - no matter where she is, no one ever seems surprised when she breaks into song. There was the time at a foot care clinic when Haug, 87, ran into an old friend and the two started singing over pedicures. Soon, others joined in, and the whole place was full of songbird seniors with soaking feet.

Then there was the time Haug led a tin-can drive to earn money for a new wheelchair van for seniors. She rallied the community, the seniors at a Bethany Northwest Home got their van and Haug wrote a song about the whole experience.

Then there was the time last month at an Everett City Council meeting when Mayor Ray Stephanson proclaimed April 30 Ada Haug Day in the city to honor her for 40 years of community service. After saying a little something at the meeting, Haug stepped into the marble foyer, and before long was singing a Norwegian wedding song.

The rest is here.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Amos
Date: 10 May 04 - 09:44 PM

Wow!! What a ride! :P>)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 May 04 - 09:32 PM

Here's an interesting one. The woman can't write in anything but one-sentence "paragraphs," so I've lumped it together to save space. See the rest at the web site:

Cabbie Goes Extra Miles from the Everett Herald.

    Cabbie goes extra miles
    Driver took customers from Everett to Milwaukee

    By Jennifer Warnick
    Herald Writer

    Everett cab driver Mark Forbes, an ex-military, ex-cop, ex-plumbing parts salesman, likes to say there's an adventure every day in the taxi business. What began in the wee hours of Saturday, April 10, was more. It was a big yellow odyssey. It had been a busy Friday night, with all the usual runs to Seattle nightclubs, local bars, casinos and grocery stores. Near the end of his 12-hour shift, a Yellow Cab dispatcher radioed Forbes, 62, to make a pickup at the Days Inn on Evergreen Way. He pulled into the motel parking lot and saw two men emerge from a room. He looked at his watch --5:30 a.m. The men had no luggage, so he was sure he could get them to their destination before his shift ended. To the Sikh temple near Seattle, said the taller of the two men. (Sikhism is a monotheistic religion, rejecting Hinduism's caste system, founded in 15th-century India by Guru Nanak.) The cabbie started the meter, shutting off the 1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic's roof vacancy light. Forbes hadn't the faintest idea it would take more than nine days and 2,300 miles to get back home.

    Change of plans

    Forbes has the voice of a country singer -- rich with a hint of twang. His laugh comes easy, and often. A former Colorado police officer who has also played Santa Claus, his demeanor is just that: a street-smart but jolly old elf. In his cab, Forbes is as smooth as a tour guide, with the small-talk skills bartenders and their tip jars know best. As they rode down the freeway that Saturday morning, the tall man said the two were originally from Punjab, India, and that his friend speaks little English. . .


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 11:17 AM

That Chernobyl link has changed. Now you can find it at http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:08 AM

This one certainly describes me. I have paper clutter on my kitchen counter, my dining room table AND my office. Sheesh! Full story http://www.heraldnet.com/homeandgarden/story.cfm?file=04042218491258.cfm



    Published on HeraldNet on Thursday, April 22, 2004

    From chaos to order, with a little help

    Susan Davies is an organization woman, one of those professional people who know how to find a place for everything and put it there.

    By Christina Harper , Herald Writer

    Whether it's the magazines stacked on shelves, the piles of mail on the kitchen counter or the drawers overflowing with bits and pieces, the urge to get organized arrives with spring. But for some people the overwhelming clutter and mess is too much for them to handle alone. "Things get disorganized when there is a big change" such as a move, said Susan Davies, a professional organizer based in Everett.

    People don't go through their stuff before moving. They bring it with them to their new home intending to go through it there, she said. Then it just sits there. Davies says people are often more organized than they think they are. It's about being able to find what you need when you need it, even if there is a mess. "If you know where you favorite pen is in the holder, then you're organized," she said.

    The problem might be that they try to put together a system, but it's the wrong system. "They try to organize but it's that factor of going from A to C right now," Davies said. People get hung up on B. That's the sorting, filing, going through things one item at a time and having to decide what to do with it. This is where they most likely give up on the project. "You have to make a decision about everything," Davies said.

    She advises clients to consolidate. She says take things out of containers and go through them. Put the items to one side and the container to another. Group items in a way that works best for you. Once you've thrown away what you don't need, make a decision about what fits best in what containers. It's a good idea to group your items, then to buy containers. Often, people buy neat-o boxes and bags that are too dinky and end up not being used.

    Davies says that generally home offices are the most difficult spaces to work with because there are lots of different elements such as filing, bill paying and mail. She has clients ask themselves questions about their habits. Are you going to open the mail standing over the recycle or trash can? Do you take the mail immediately to the kitchen counter? Make a system that suits you and you can stick with. Place things in a space according to your tendencies. "It's hard to break habits so work with them," Davies said.

    [snip]

    The desk was the first area of concern, especially since no one could find the computer keyboard. . . . [snip]

    Davies describes a cluttered or messy space as a funnel. Everything come into it and gets stuck. She makes suggestions based on the client's needs, such as what supplies buy or filing system to set up. "I would say that the file system is the heart of the office," Davies said. Files are easier to see on hanging file folder tags. Forget putting manila folders inside them. Too many tags get messy. "Make it easy on yourself. Label everything," Davies said. Labeling containers or shelves makes it easy for everyone in the family to see and use.

    Going through items to throw away or sell is an emotional experience for some people. They associate the thing with a memory. Perhaps Granny gave you that lime green doily that you hang onto because you wouldn't want to hurt her feelings. Get rid of it, Davies said. "The spirit of the memory will live on." Ask yourself when was the last time you used the item? Do you love it?

    Davies says that you have to be a little selfish when it comes to odd or awful gifts and trinkets. Decide what you want your life to be. If you want to simplify, get rid of it. "Surround yourself with sacred things you love," Davies said. "It's all about doing what's best for you."


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 04 - 05:11 PM

I always enjoy C-SPANs book talk programs when I remember to turn them on. Lately I haven't exactly been getting my money's worth out of the Dish-TV I had installed a few months ago. But these kinds of programs are what I was looking for (okay, okay, I also wanted some of the old movies and the great mystery programs--tonight I've set it up to record Boy on a Dolphin).

Sorry about the small print above--I was trying to compress it some. I think maybe I need to look into formatting the space between paragraphs (or find writers who can do better than treat every sentence as if it is a paragraph!)

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Mudlark
Date: 25 Apr 04 - 03:50 PM

A great piece, thanks SRS. And since TV input is OK, did anybody else see the C-Span weekend Book Channel's coverage of the UCLA Book Fair, particularly, the forum on myths in American culture. Really got me to thinking. All cultures have myths, but it seems ours are fueled by corporations, promoting unncessary consumerism (as addressed by James Campos, The Fat Myth), and those that build and maintain political clout (the Myth of Fear).


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Apr 04 - 01:12 PM

Here's an interesting story. And I love the "bottom line"--Einstein encouraged this woman to become a librarian. Yes!

From the Seattle P.I.
    Saturday, April 24, 2004

    Diary details Einstein's last years


    PRINCETON, N.J. -- In the last years of Albert Einstein's life, he amused himself by telling jokes to his parrot, and avoided visitors by feigning illness, according to a newly discovered diary written by the woman known around Princeton as his last girlfriend.

    While Einstein also talked about the travails of his continuing work in physics, most of Johanna Fantova's diary recalls his views on world politics and his personal life.

    The writings are "an unvarnished portrait of Einstein struggling bravely with the manifold inconveniences of sickness and old age," Freeman Dyson, a mathematician at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, told The New York Times in Saturday's editions.

    The 62-page diary, written in German, was discovered in February in Fantova's personnel files at Princeton University's Firestone Library, where she had worked as a curator. The manuscript is the subject of an article to be published next month in The Princeton University Library Journal.

    According to the article, the new manuscript is the only one kept by someone close to Einstein in the final years of his life.

    "There is surprisingly little about physics in the diary," Donald Skemer, Firestone Library's curator of manuscripts, told The Times of Trenton.

    Fantova wrote that she recorded her time with the renowned physicist to "cast some additional light on our understanding of Einstein, not on the great man who became a legend in his lifetime, not on Einstein the renowned scientist, but on Einstein the humanitarian."

    Fantova was 22 years younger than Einstein. Although the two spent considerable time together starting in the 1940s, her journal only records their relationship from October 1953 until his death in April 1955 at age 76. She died in 1981 at age 80.

    Princeton already had a collection of the poems, letters and photos Einstein sent to Fantova, who sold them after his death to Gillett G. Griffin, a retired curator at Princeton's Art Museum. He gave those documents to the library.

    Griffin, invited many times to Einstein's home for dinner, said Fantova was a fixture there.

    "Reading what she left gives me an immediate connection with my own experience and gives everyone the immediacy of knowing Einstein himself," Griffin said.

    The diary recounts Einstein speaking about the politics of the day and portrays him as critical of speeches of Adlai Stevenson, the nuclear arms race and the anti-communist attack on the scientist J. Robert Oppenheimer by Sen. Joseph McCarthy.

    "This political persecution of his associate was a source of bitter disillusionment," Fantova wrote.

    Besides his politics, Fantova wrote of Einstein's popularity and how he tried to write back to strangers, some of whom tried to convert him to Christianity. He said, "All the maniacs in the world write to me," she wrote.

    The diary also recounts how, on his 75th birthday, Einstein received a parrot as gift. After deciding the bird was depressed, Einstein tried alter its mood by telling bad jokes.

    At times, Einstein would pretend to be sick in bed so he would not have to pose with visitors who wanted photographs. Einstein still enjoyed himself even when real illness did take hold.

    "Einstein's health began to fail, but he continued to indulge in what remained his favorite of all pastimes, sailing. Seldom did I see him so gay and in so light a mood as in this strangely primitive little boat," Fantova wrote.

    Einstein also wrote Fantova poems, some of which are in the diary.

    Einstein, with his second wife Elsa, had arrived in Princeton in 1933 at the newly formed Institute for Advanced Study. Elsa died three years later.

    Fantova first met Einstein in 1929 in Berlin. She arrived in the United States alone in 1939 and, at Einstein's urging, attended library school at the University of North Carolina.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 23 Apr 04 - 12:19 AM

Mudlark, your contribution is great! I started this thread because there are stories out there that are just too interesting to read and set aside, yet I don't want to start a new thread for each. I like to think about them a while, and see what others think on the subjects. Your remarks are in line with what the woman on the Chernobyl thread spoke about-- those folks who were unwilling to leave are remarkable.

Critical thinking is something that once you learn how you can't turn it off. So many stories present you with what the writer thinks and no more. But there are occasionally stories out there written in such a way as to let the gaps be visible, and the warts show. They give you room to draw your own conclusions, or see the faulty arguments. Those are the ones that attract my attention. I'm glad they jump out at you also.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Mudlark
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 05:58 PM

Speaking of Chernobyl, I saw on Link TV the other night a fascinating documentary about a small group of villagers on Chernobyl's doorstep who refused to move. They are mostly old people now, living in small cabins around a big spring, from which they draw water daily. The voice-over moderator was the one youngish person left, a son who stayed to help his aging parents. They plant and eat their potatoes and turnips, collect chanterelles from the forest... All the old people (who down vodka by the waterglass) look like old people everywhere in Eastern Europe, tough people used to, and bowed by, a harsh climate, old men in caps, old women in babushkas. It showed these old guys felling trees in the forest, dragging them to the spring, then hand-hewing logs to box in a spring-fed laundry washing area for the women...incredibly hard work. No one had two heads or complained of health issues, which sort of surprised me.

I really like LinkTV, where this sort of programming is common. (And sorry for the thread creep...should be under "Things I saw on TV"....)


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 03:01 PM

I am not surprised it already appeared at Mudcat--we're a cutting edge group! I didn't think to do a search on the term "Chernobyl."

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Amos
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:33 PM

It was posted on another thread here somewhere a few weeks ago, It is a real doozy of a phototour. Ya gotta wonder what Daddy's connections are to support her in such a free-wheeling lifestyle!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 04 - 02:26 PM

Well, I didn't read this one in an online newspaper, this information came via a link in a discussion group I belong to.
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1.html


    Introduction
    My name is Elena. I run this website and I don't have anything to sell. What I do have is my motorbike and the absolute freedom to ride it wherever curiosity and the speed demon take me.

    This page is maintained by the author, but when internet traffic is heavy it may be down occasionally.

    Biking

    I have ridden all my life and over the years I have owned several different motorbikes. I ended my search for a perfect bike with a big kawasaki ninja, that boasts a mature 147 horse power, some serious bark, is fast as a bullet and comfortable for a long trips. here is more about my motorcycle

    I travel a lot and one of my favorite destinations leads North from Kiev, towards so called Chernobyl "dead zone", which is 130kms from my home. Why my favorite? Because one can take long rides there on empty roads.

    The people there all left and nature is blooming. There are beautiful woods and lakes.

    In places where roads have not been travelled by trucks or army vehicles, they are in the same condition they were 20 years ago - except for an occasional blade of grass that discovered a crack to spring through. Time does not ruin roads, so they may stay this way until they can be opened to normal traffic again........ a few centuries from now

    Roentgens

    To begin our journey, we must learn a little something about radiation. It is really very simple, and the device we use for measuring radiation levels is called a geiger counter . If you flick it on in Kiev, it will measure about 12-16 microroentgen per hour. In a typical city of Russia and America, it will read 10-12 microroentgen per hour. In the center of many European cities are 20 microR per hour, the radioactivity of the stone.

    1,000 microroentgens equal one milliroentgen and 1,000 milliroentgens equal 1 roentgen. So one roentgen is 100,000 times the average radiation of a typical city. A dose of 500 roentgens within 5 hours is fatal to humans. Interestingly, it takes about 2 1/2 times that dosage to kill a chicken and over 100 times that to kill a cockroach.

    This sort of radiation level can not be found in Chernobyl now. In the first days after explosion, some places around the reactor were emitting 3,000-30,000 roentgens per hour. The firemen who were sent to put out the reactor fire were fried on the spot by gamma radiation. The remains of the reactor were entombed within an enormous steel and concrete sarcophagus, so it is now relatively safe to travel to the area - as long as we do not step off of the roadway.......

    The map above shows the radiation levels in different parts of the dead zone. The map will soon be replaced with a more comprehensive one that identifies more features.

    It shows various levels of radiation on asphalt - usually on the middle of road - because at edge of the road it is twice as high. If you step 1 meter off the road it is 4 or 5 times higher. Radiation sits on the soil, on the grass, in apples and mushrooms. It is not retained by asphalt, which makes rides through this area possible.

    I have never had problems with the dosimeter guys, who man the checkpoints. They are experts, and if they find radiation on you vehicle, they give it a chemical shower. I don't count those couple of times when "experts" tried to invent an excuse to give me a shower, because those had a lot more to do with physical biology than biological physics


This is a really interesting site. A view of a pretty scary place by a brave young woman. Many pages, lots of large photos.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 04:05 PM

oops. Reagan years (not to be confused with his chief of staff Regan).


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 04:04 PM

Here's an interesting one.

Considering the adjustments to this court were made during the Regan years, I'd sure like to know a lot more about it. Look at the kind of cases they hear. What can we learn about the outcomes?

The whole article is here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=Judges%20Lifetime%20Pay


    Judges on little-known court paid for life


    By LARRY MARGASAK, ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

    WASHINGTON -- Judges on a little-known federal court that decides claims against the government are appointed for 15 years, but collect their full six-figure salaries for a lifetime for a workload that averages fewer than two trials a year.

    U.S. Court of Federal Claims jurists turn their fixed terms into lifetime jobs by remaining as senior judges. Currently, the federal claims court has 16 active judges and 13 in senior status.

    A few of the senior judges handle a full workload. Some handle at least 25 percent of their former caseload. Others have an empty docket. All are paid $158,100 a year, the same as full-time federal judges.

    The congressionally approved arrangement for the claims judges - described as a "charmed existence" by one legal expert - is gaining scrutiny. Two Democratic senators have prepared a bill to abolish the court, with its budget of $14.4 million.

    "It's a waste of money," Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D. Added Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore.: "The taxpayers are spending top dollar for full-time judges that don't even perform part-time work."

    A Court of Federal Claims judge had an average workload [of] 45 [cases] from 1997 through 2001 and conducted fewer than two trials each in 2002, according to records compiled by the senators. In contrast, District Court judges averaged 478 cases and completed an average 19 trials a year, according to the latest statistics.

    Court of Federal Claims Chief Judge Edward Damich said in an interview that the caseload numbers are meaningless because his judges must resolve "complex, high stakes litigation" that usually is settled without a trial.

    The claims court has special expertise in disputes between contractors and the government, cases brought by taxpayers seeking refunds and plaintiffs complaining the government illegally seized their property. It has sole jurisdiction in lawsuits filed by unsuccessful bidders seeking government contracts.

    Damich said Congress reorganized the court more than 20 years ago with the intention of allowing its judges to serve for life despite their 15-year terms. [This would be from the Regan administration]

    "It was because of the fear that if we were to lose salary and benefits completely, that might influence judges in their decisions," he said. "They might be influenced in a pro-government way to get reappointed."

    [snip]

    When the claims judges finish their term and take senior status, the chief judge must decide whether to recall them to service and have them work for their salaries.

    If they are recalled, the judges are required to handle 25 percent of an active judge's caseload to qualify for any pay increases.

    Damich, who said he negotiates with each senior judge, said four of the 13 do no work while one senior judge handles only court administrative duties. The other senior judges have varying caseloads

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 10:45 AM

Good job on the link and the essay!


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Amos
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 08:24 AM

Wow -- you wrote an article on the NRA which was really good! Nice job.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: LadyJean
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 01:39 AM

WOW! I MADE A LINK!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: freda underhill
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 01:20 AM

very clever, ladyJean, well said. How can they ever respond to that one?

freda


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: LadyJean
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 01:10 AM

I'm not really good at making links, but if you go to www.pghcitypaper.com, you can read my welcome to the NRA, who are having their convention here this weekend. They made it their cover story, which is nice, because I don't think they'll pay me for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: SueB
Date: 16 Apr 04 - 01:06 AM

Didya hear the one about the Air Marshall who left his gun in the airplane lavatory? Speaking of reading things in the newspaper...


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 06:23 PM

The accuser wasn't the kid, but Society as a whole -- "California v. xxxxx" or "US v. Bush" or whatever.

Then again, California...Society..... Ya gotta wonder sometimes. I just hope that in a more enlightened state than California he can get precisely what's coming to him. Heh heh heh.

(I'm considered liberal by some and conservative by others, but I'm plumb facist about this sort of thing.)


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 04:27 PM

Yeah--I didn't post this because there is an easy answer, but rather because it is an article that is very troubling, and where a really vile human being is able to take advantage of "the system."

The trouble we as a society regularly encounter is that often after something like this, a bereaved family member with hyper-emotional ammo pushes through a law that is thinly-veiled retribution. Aimed at this one particular individual and put in place to deal with "anyone else who might somehow fit some part of that scenario," the law of unintended consequences comes into play. It means that because these laws are poorly crafted and tie the hands of judges regarding things like "three strikes," a lot of people who have minor infractions end up with life sentences without parole. So the judges who made this idiotic decision have done an injustice to their colleagues in the field, to say nothing of the victims of this worm they released.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 02:02 PM

Okay...

I understand that you have the right to confront your accuser but I would have thought that by now there would be precedent that in the case of a victim comiting suicide (more than likely because of the trauma he suffered) that the state would be considered the accuser.

Of course in some third world nations not only would the suspect be killed without a trial (and probably a rather ingeniously painful death at that) so would the accuser for being tainted.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Amos
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 02:01 PM

Oh, dear gawd. Shoulda fed him to the sharks while they had the chance...so he could get a sense of how it felt.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Apr 04 - 01:53 PM

Civil liberties gone amuck? Or is California just more whacko that usual?

Thursday, April 15, 2004
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/169174_molester15.html

    Serial child molester is set free


    By VANESSA HO, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER

    In the spring of 1996, Blue Kartak was a baby-faced 16-year-old runaway in Seattle when he met a friendly man at a coffeehouse who promised to take him to Disneyland.
    The man turned out to be a serial child molester who drugged and raped Kartak in a motel room in California.

    His attacker, Edward Harvey Stokes, was convicted and given a life sentence for the crime. But last week, Stokes -- who's said he has attacked more than 200 victims -- walked out of a California jail as a free man and moved back to Washington state. The reason: A state appeals court ruled he never had a chance to confront his accuser -- Kartak -- who committed suicide before Stokes' trial.



the rest of this story is online


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 10:13 PM

An Easter Egg Hunt account was in my local paper several years back. Early Saturday morning a dozen volunteers hid a couple ohundred brightly colored eggs on a grassy sward (love saying that) on the island across the way. They then went home to clean up, coming back that afternoon to host the hunt. Families with their excited youngsters in tow showed up for the grand event. There were cameras, reporters showed up; it was the first time anyone had thought of using the meadow with its low bushes. It was a beautiful day.

I think fewer than a half dozen eggs were found, but there were LOTS of bright bits of shell all over the place. Along with stuffed-full ravens sitting around in the trees.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:51 PM

Not only was one touched, it was dropped and it discharged!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Chief Chaos
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:40 PM

Okay first I'm going to let the military side of me rant:

"It's not a clip! Its a magazine! For goodness sake if you're going to do a story about hand guns lets get the terminology right!"

Okay, now that the anal retentive side of me has said what it had to say,

Sounds like another Columbine event was in the offing. I hope they weren't touched before the police got there so that maybe some fingerprints can be found.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Amos
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:15 PM

Hands up, anyone who has had a newspaper story about something they were fully involved with, which actually had the facts straight?

(Sorry for the thread creep -- although it suits the title!)

We now return to your regularly scheduled thread...


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 04:12 PM

Someone dropped a stolen handgun in the bookdrop of the public library in American Falls, ID recently. We, on the other hand, had a bottle of Bud Light in ours.


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Subject: RE: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 03:54 PM

Well, perhaps we should engage in nation-wide Easter Egg Hunts (by the adult population). Could turn up all kinds of significant results...perhaps even hidden WMD's.


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Subject: BS: I Read it in the Newspaper
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Apr 04 - 03:47 PM

Some articles don't need an entire thread of their own, so I started this as one as a place to collect small pieces like this one. This might be considered the virtual version of clipping an article and leaving it for someone to read, just to think about.

The following is a short article that needs some thought. It isn't the most important piece in the paper, but it suggests a lot of "what if" possibilities that are pretty scary in the context given. I looked at several possible older threads as a place to put this, but they were closed, or it just plain didn't fit.

This may or may not generate comments, but mostly this is one of those things that needs to be thought about. How on earth did it happen, was it malicious, accidental? and look at all of the possible outcomes.

SRS





    Saturday, April 10, 2004 · Last updated 8:24 p.m. PT

    Children on Easter egg hunt find guns

    THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

    FLINT, Mich. -- A group of children hunting for Easter eggs Saturday during a church event found two loaded handguns outside an elementary school.

    Flint police said officers were called to the scene and also recovered a BB gun and a broken toy gun on the grounds of Gundry Elementary School. No one was injured, Sgt. Michael Coote said.

    One of the guns discharged when it was dropped, according to a police report, but it was unclear who dropped it.

    The pastor of Ruth Street Baptist Church told WJRT-TV that one of the handguns had a bullet in the chamber, and the other handgun's clip had bullets in it.

    "It's terrible that something like this has happened," Pastor Namon Marshall told the station.

    Coote said he did not know how long the guns had been in the park.

    Police opened an investigation after confiscating the weapons.


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