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Origins: Christmas in the Trenches (McCutcheon)

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CHRISTMAS 1914
CHRISTMAS IN THE TRENCHES


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Christmas in the Trenches [John McCutcheon]


Joe Offer 17 Oct 98 - 02:12 PM
Barbara 17 Oct 98 - 02:05 PM
Ireland O'Reilly 17 Oct 98 - 01:51 PM
skw@ 17 Oct 98 - 08:25 AM
Joe Offer 17 Oct 98 - 04:32 AM
BSeed 17 Oct 98 - 03:34 AM
Barbara 17 Oct 98 - 12:21 AM
Joe Offer 16 Oct 98 - 08:06 PM
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Pete M 15 Oct 98 - 05:44 PM
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Joe Offer 13 Oct 98 - 04:03 AM
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Roger Himler 12 Oct 98 - 07:28 PM
Pete M 12 Oct 98 - 04:17 PM
John in Brisbane 08 Oct 98 - 10:08 PM
Joe Offer 08 Oct 98 - 09:59 PM
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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 02:12 PM

Thanks for the tune, barbara. You know, the tune sounded familiar to me the first time I heard the song. could McCutcheon have taken it from an older tune? Which one?
Anybody got the tune to Christmas 1914?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Tune Add: CHRISTMAS IN THE TRENCHES (J McCutcheon)
From: Barbara
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 02:05 PM

Here ya go, crew. Try this.
Blessings,
Barbara

Click to play


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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches
From: Ireland O'Reilly
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 01:51 PM

Greetings, Everybody!!!

Oh, I feel like I've been gone from here forever! I've recently moved, and my old 486 only has 4 megs of RAM; consequently, I have been able to do little more than email. Well, I think i've got up enough $$$ now to soon get myself a new computer of my very own. :)

Christmas in the Trenches... John McDermott does a lovely version of this song on his "Danny Boy" album. The album is all war songs. It's great.

Cheers,

Ireland


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Subject: RE:
From: skw@
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 08:25 AM

Joe: -:)-:)-:)
I never did like Shakespeare all that much, apart from the Scottish play, of course. And yes, or no, English isn't my native language. Thanks for the compliment! I used to have an American accent at school, hated it and got rid of it. Nowadays I'm told I sound vaguely Scottish. However, I've since learned that the Americans actually speak an older form of English, and thus closer to the origins of the language, than the vulgarly progressive brothers (and sisters) back home.
Keep in mind for further use - it's fairly easy to trip me up with Americanisms. - Susanne


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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 04:32 AM

Hi, Seed - if I recall correctly, you have a Mac. The Mac version of MIDITXT hasn't come out yet. The available one is a DOS program, which also works in Windows.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE:
From: BSeed
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 03:34 AM

I've wanted to load the midi transcription program, but it seems to be available only to windows users (I have a composing program and a midi keyboard--ConcertWare Music Studio--but I don't know if it can read that kind of script...but I sure want that song. Have you ever seen the movie "Queen of Hearts"? It's on much the same theme, not the same kind of narrative at all, but reading this thread made me recall it vividly. --seed


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Subject: RE:
From: Barbara
Date: 17 Oct 98 - 12:21 AM

Joe, I've got the record in the house, give me time and I can probably transcribe it.
Soon as I finish sewing this Halloween costume that I'm working on, except when I take a Mudcat break.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Oct 98 - 08:06 PM

Ah, we tripped you up, Susanne. The original quote was from Shakespeare's Julius Cæsar
But, for my own part, it was Greek to me.
Pete changed that to fit your situation, and you missed it. I know you're living in Germany, but your English is so good I would have sworn you were American (Of course, others among us might say that your English is so good you couldn't possibly be an American....). Could it be that English is not your native language?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE:
From: skw@
Date: 16 Oct 98 - 03:23 AM

My friends in Britain say 'Greek'. I think it gets the idea across nicely, not having learned Greek in school. We had Latin, and I've forgotten most of that, too!
Susanne


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Subject: RE:
From: Pete M
Date: 15 Oct 98 - 05:44 PM

Hi Susanne, don't you mean "It's all geek to me."???

:-) Pete M


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Subject: RE:
From: skw@
Date: 15 Oct 98 - 04:33 AM

?????

Thanks for providing the link, Joe. I had a look but it was all Greek to me. I'm hopeless with the technical side of computing, and just now I don't have the time to work on learning something new. (It does look like hard work!) Also, I have a hardware problem - several in fact. My hi-fi is at home, my Internet PC is at work, and anyway, I light a candle every time it doesn't crash for lack of capacity during a session.

I'll ask around. Maybe some friend can help me get the tune to you, but it's going to take a few weeks, I'm afraid. Have patience! - Susanne


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Subject: RE:
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 98 - 04:03 AM

Gee, it would be great to have a tune, Susanne. Any chance you could record the song with RealEncoder (click here) and e-mail it to somebody like Alison who can transcribe it?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: Lyr Add: CHRISTMAS 1914 (Mike Harding)
From: skw@
Date: 13 Oct 98 - 03:50 AM

Christmas 1914
(by Mike Harding)

Christmas Eve in 1914, stars were gleaming, gleaming bright
And all along the Western front guns were lying still and quiet
Men lay dozing in the trenches, in the cold and in the dark
As far away behind the lines a village dog began tae bark

Some lay thinking of their families, some sang songs to others quiet
Playing brag and rolling fags to pass away the Christmas night
As we watched the German trenches, something moved in no man's land
Through the dark there came a soldier carrying a white flag in his hand

Then from both sides men came running, crossing into no man's land
Through the barbed wire, mud and shell-holes, shyly stood there shaking hands
Fritz he brought cigars and brandy, Tommy brought corned beef and fags
And as they stood there quietly talking, the moon shone down on no man's land

Then Christmas Day we all played football in the mud of no man's land
Tommy brought some Christmas pudding, Fritz brought out a German band
And when they beat us at the football we shared all our grub and drink
Then Fritz showed me a tattered photo of a brown-haired girl back in Berlin

For four days after no side fired, not one shot disturbed the night
For old Fritz and Tommy Atkins, they'd both lost their will to fight
So they withdrew us from the trenches, sent us back behind the lines
They brought fresh troops to take our places and told the guns, Prepare to fire

The next night in 1914, flak was beaming, beaming bright
The orders came, Prepare offensive! Over the top we go tonight
And men stood waiting in the trenches, gazed out across our football park
As all along the Western front the Christmas guns began tae bark

Sung by Arthur Johnstone from Glasgow, who used to run the city's famous Star Club, on his album 'North By North' (1989).

[1987:] In no-man's-land, between the British and the German trenches during the Christmas truce of that year [1914], an extraordinary event occurred. "The night was cold. We sang, they applauded. Our lines were only two hundred feet apart. We played the mouth organ, they sang, then we applauded. They produced a set of bagpipes and played their poetic tunes. Men were waving torches and cheering. We had prepared grog and drank a toast." [Letter] from a German soldier. - From both sides men came running, and soon were fraternizing "in the most genuine possible manner. Every sort of souvenir was exchanged, addresses given and received." A German N.C.O. with an Iron Cross, gained "for conspicuous skill in sniping, started his fellows off on some marching tune. I set the note for the Bonnie Boys of Scotland, and so we went on and ended up with Auld Lang Syne which we all - English, Scots, Irish, Prussians and Wurttembergers - joined in." [Diary] of a British Captain. - From some old rags and cord a makeshift football was made, and by the light of flares the two sides played a game of soccer, their previous deadly activities forgotten. (Notes Danny Doyle, '20 Years A-Growing')

[1988:] At some points a "live and let live" system evolved - a means of existence involving tacit co-operation between the sides, recognizing a rough parity of forces. [...] One was to have an unspoken agreement [...] not to shell latrines nor to open fire during breakfast. Another was to make as much noise as possible before a minor raid, so that the other side could withdraw to their protected bunkers. This limitation on hostilities did not exist everywhere and was stamped on by command when it came to light. But even such informal arrangements as survived could be quickly buried, along with men killed by snipers, by the odd shell, or gas. The fraternization that did go on briefly between the lines on Christmas Day 1914 did not characterize the way the war was fought in the trenches. Violence was always below the surface, ready to explode. (J.M. Winter, The Experience of World War I, 133ff)

The incident is obviously deemed too unimportant to be mentioned in most histories of the Great War. So far this passing reference in Winter, who devotes part of his book to the experience of the front-line soldier, is the only one I've found, and I for one certainly didn't learn about it in school. However, it seems to be alive in the minds of people in Britain, at any rate, or am I reading too much into the quotations below? Before coming across the song I wouldn't have known what they referred to, but the authors must have been sure most of their readers would.
[1996:] Far from kicking footballs in no man's land, the two rivals [The Times and the Telegraph] clashed over the ABC [circulation] figures. (Observer Business, 15 Dec)
[1997:] It is as much Britain as Germany that we should worry about, and we both have a common interest in building Europe. It is the football matches between the trenches on Christmas Day we should remember - not seeing off a mythical Fritz who has long since disappeared. (Will Hutton, Observer 9 Feb)
Sorry I'm not able to submit a tune. Maybe I could send someone (preferably in Germany) a tape, and they'd do it for me? - Susanne

Thanks, Pete M.!


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Subject: RE:
From: Roger Himler
Date: 12 Oct 98 - 07:28 PM

I believe John Mc Cutcheon said he first heard this story from a cleaning lady backstage at a concert where he played. The song more or less poured out soon after.

When he played in Europe, he saw some old men who seemed to follow him from concert to concert. He sought them out and learned they were "there" during the Christmas truce and loved the song.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches
From: Pete M
Date: 12 Oct 98 - 04:17 PM

Hi Joe,

The "Christmas truce" of 1914 was/is widely known about in Britain, and fairly extensively documented. The site here gives several published accounts by participants.
In the show/film "Oh what a lovely war" it is intimated that the truce so annoyed the British high command that they ordered an artillary shoot into the area. There is no mention of this in the eye witness accounts at the site above so that may have been included for dramatic effect.

On that point, I recall reading that as part of the research into "tit for tat" behaviour, it was found that in many places on the Western Front, an unofficial modus vivendi was developed whereby each side kept to srtict "rules" of behaviour designed to minimise conflict. On at least one occasion this lead to the local commander crossing no mans land to apologise to his opposite number when an out of area battery shelled "his" opponents thereby breaking the rules.

Apparently, this kind of arrangement by the troops was so effective that it led to the British GCHQ policy of "agressive patrolling" and rotating units into the front line on regular basis to prevent these arrangements based on mutual tust, forming.

The start of the song "Two years ago...." is a bit ambiguous, and I haven't heard of similar truces later in the war, given the changed circumstances, it is less likely.

Incidently, the last line "And on each end of the rifle we're the same" is reminiscent of the second world war pacifist slogan "A bayonet is a weapon with a worker at each end".

Pete M


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Subject: RE:
From: John in Brisbane
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 10:08 PM

I note that this has no tune in the DT. Can anyone oblige please? It is too good a song for people not to enjoy it in its entirety.

The first version I ever heard was by Danny Doyle in concert. You know that you've got your money's worth whenever you hear a new song that gives you the chills etc.

Regards
John


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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 09:59 PM

I'd sure like to see those lyrics if you can come up with them, Susanne. It would be helpful to get anything anybody knows about the story behind this song.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE:
From: skw@
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 06:27 AM

There is another song about the same incident, Mike Harding's 'Christmas 1914', which I prefer (though I haven't analysed my preference in depth). It doesn't seem to be in the DT, but I could bring in the words and some information about this little-known incident. - Susanne


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Subject: RE: Christmas in the Trenches - John McCutcheon
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Oct 98 - 03:54 AM

Barb, John McCutcheon and his merchandise can be found on the Web at http://www.folkmusic.com/. Lots of lyrics at the site, too.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE:
From: Mountain Dog
Date: 07 Oct 98 - 12:26 PM

Dear Barb,

You'll find complete lyrics to "Christmas in the Trenches" in the DT database, if that helps you some. A powerful song, it always gives me chills when I play it or hear it performed.


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Subject: Book
From: Barb
Date: 07 Oct 98 - 11:04 AM

I'm looking for John McCutcheon1s book containing "Christmas in the Trenches" and how I can purchase it.


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