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Subject: Cecil Sharp and tunes
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 02:05 PM

I have a dog-eared 10 volume collection of Country Dance Tunes, arranged for the Pianoforte Solo by Cecil J Sharp and published around 1910 by Novello & Co.

No where does it give any indication where Sharp got the tunes from.

Does anybody now how he got them?


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: s&r
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 02:24 PM

All over the place. He was a collector.
Article here re Appalachians


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 02:40 PM

True, true.

The Country Dance collections are generally English. The people who were the sources of his songs are quite well documented. Is this also the case for his tunes? Or was he getting them from written sources. Many say 'collected and arranged by Cecil J Sharp' but volumes 4 to 11 are from The English Dancing Master of various dates.


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: s&r
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:45 PM

found this bit via google "Extractions: Stephen Baldwin, from Upton Bishop near Ross on Wye in Herefordshire, was born in the early 1870s, and, although he was around 80 years old when he was recorded in 1954, was still a fine, vigorous player. Stephen Baldwin was the youngest son of Charles Baldwin of Newent in Gloucestershire, a fiddler from whom Cecil Sharp collected several tunes in 1910, including the Clifford's Mesne Morris Call. Russell Wortley, who recorded him, described Stephen as 'a first-rate fiddler' and recalled:'He played solely by ear, and had learnt many tunes from his father. It was one Christmas, about 1897, that he stood in for the regular musician of the Bromsberrow Heath Morris Dancers, who was ill. Evidently, he took a liking to their dance, and, for two or three seasons at the turn of the century, he had a team of his own performing it at Mitcheldean where he then lived. He told me that very few places had Morris dancers at that time, but that probably many more had them ten years earlier'. A long-deleted LP. "


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: s&r
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:50 PM

also some info here


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: treewind
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 06:53 PM

You mean HERE !

Anahata


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 18 Apr 04 - 07:30 PM

The Stephen Baldwin LP is another "bulmerised" one, unfortunately (Leader LED 2068 1976) and unlikely to re-appear. When recorded in 1954 he was elderly and rather out of practice, and sounds quite rough to begin with (not helped by his having to play in a small room at the local primary school, crammed in with 15 other people; he didn't have electricity for the recording gear at home); though with a bit of listening you can tell that he must have been a strong and very capable player in his prime. Peter Kennedy's 1952 recordings of him can still be got:

FTX-115 - A-NUTTING WE WILL GO


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 02:53 PM

All good stuff.

To what extent did Sharp identify and collect from a living tradition of Country dance tunes?

Did he collect Country Dance tunes, as opposed to Morris Dance tunes, or did he just get them out of books?


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: Burke
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:17 PM

I don't know about your collection, but in addition to his collecting, Sharp was very involved with the revival of the English dances as originally published & descibed by Playford in 17th century.


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 19 Apr 04 - 05:37 PM

Yes, lots of the tunes in the collection I have clearly come from printed sources. But did he collect any in the way he collected songs.


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: Jack Campin
Date: 19 Apr 19 - 05:49 AM

Winster Galop, for one. I think the two Tideswell tunes at the same time?


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Subject: RE: Sharp and tunes
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Apr 19 - 01:37 PM

Thanks for refreshing this. I have bought a reprint of the dance book to give to the leader of our local dance group. Amazon. $5

If anybody knows of a book with all the tunes, I would like to buy myself a copy.


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