BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja

Subject: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Apr 04 - 08:46 PM

It is beginning to look like an inevitability, despite warnings from anyone in the know, like the UN Special Envoy to Iraq, mainstream Shiite Muslim leaders in Iraq, and the Iraqi Governing Council.

But does the US listen? Absolutely not. Today's NT Times reports that, besides Bremer and Bush talking tough on the standoffs in Najaf and Falluja, that: "Mr. Bush also received some domestic support today for a tough approach: leading congressmen of both parties said they saw no choice but to subdue resistance in the cities."

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 02:40 PM

It won't happen
John

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 04:32 PM

Just because it's crazy doesn't mean it won't happen. These guys would bomb the Vatican or Mecca if they thought it might get them a few more votes in November.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 04:55 PM

Too true McGrath, and they shoot little children as well.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Gareth
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 07:11 PM

Err ! Who shoots little children ?

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Apr 04 - 07:25 PM

Who doesn't, once it's war?   Plenty of children shot in Fallujah, that's for sure.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 08:30 AM

The ceasefire isn't holding, that is clear. What isn't clear, is what is happening on the ground. Here, we get reports that it is the insurgents causing all the problems, which I'm sure is largely true in terms of the problems our military is facing.

But who is causing problems for the civilians of Falluja is, I'm sure, a different story entirely.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Gareth
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:27 PM

Yes Kevin. But by whom ???

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:30 PM

This is the exact scenerio that mnay of us brought up when Bush was struttin' around like a danged peacock poundin' on his war drum...

Hate to say it but we tried to tell you knotheads so...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: DougR
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 07:53 PM

So we allow the insurgents to shoot our troops without shooting back? I don't think so.

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 08:43 PM

No, Dougie, you don't... You just go elsewhere, let things cool down and see if their are some peaceful alternatives... Street fightin' Iraqis in Iraqwhwn we have the choice, is stupid... Think about it. We're trying to avenge the killing of four "hired guns"{ and it's already cost us close to a 100 Americans... You do the math... Hey, you don't win fights fightin' on the others guys terms...

Remember Viet Nam? We're making some of the same bad decisions based on getting even...

Bad karma and bad military science as well..

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Justa Picker
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 08:55 PM

The biggest problem I have with ALL of this is that the U.S. had exactly the right idea, but they screwed up on the spelling. They should have entered the country that ended with an N not a Q.

I find it particularly galling at how many traitors there are on this forum, and that it is precisely because of your foreign and domestic policies that you all have THE RIGHTS to be traitors to your government.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 09:07 PM

I had thought that being a traitor to one's nation would have been a worse crime., and I cannot see too much evidence for that on this forum
Being a traitor to one's Government, or the rights we have concerning this, I am a little vague on, however

Perhaps you would expand a little on this.

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 09:18 PM

US forces have been firing directly into the heart of a civilian neighborhood, which was blazing through the night.

From the NY Times:

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: April 27, 2004

FALLUJAH, Iraq -- U.S. warplanes and artillery attacked Sunni insurgents holed up in a slum in a thunderous show of force that rocked Fallujah Thursday, sending huge plumes of black smoke into the night sky. The assault came after American troops killed 64 gunmen near the southern city of Najaf.

Tuesday's battle appeared far heavier than the previous night's clashes, in which a Marine and eight insurgents were killed -- suggesting U.S. forces were trying to wear down gunmen in the Jolan neighborhood, a district of narrow alleyways and ramshackle houses.

An AC-130, a powerful gunship that can unleash a deluge of ordnance, joined 105mm howitzers in opening up on insurgent targets in the neighborhood. Gunfire and explosions reverberated for nearly two hours, and an eerie orange glow shone over the area while showers of sparks descended like fireworks.

Fires were visible in the Jolan neighborhood, and mosque loudspeakers elsewhere in the city called for firefighters. U.S. aircraft dropped white leaflets over Fallujah before nightfall, calling on insurgents to give up.
________________________________________

I repeat--those are densely populated, poor civilian neighborhoods we are firing upon with helicopter gunships.

Last time I checked, the insurgents don't have any of those.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 09:37 PM

"By whom?"

British press reports seem pretty clear that the dead and injured in Fallujah include large numbers of women and children, and that they were killed and wounded by the kind of heavy weaponry which are only in the hands of the Americans in this field of combat, such as air strikes.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: CarolC
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 10:11 PM

I saw some of the action on television earlier today. It was one of the most eerie things I've ever seen and heard (excluding Fellini films). The screen was varying shades of a sick sort of green and black, I guess because it was dark and they were using special night-viewing equipment. There were areas that were clearly on fire, and there were big flashes of light and streaks of light shooting across the sky, and other kinds of things that lookes like explosions. I could hear the whistling of the rockets as they flew through the air, and I could hear the explosions.

I could just barely hear the correspondent talking, and in the background I could hear a kind of sing-song humming noise. I wasn't sure what it was at first, but it seemed like it had to have been a large number of people making that sound. A little while later, the studio anchor said it was the sound of people praying.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 10:29 PM

Well, one thing comes to mind and it Junior's assertion that ****HE*** is the "war president"....

Well, let me be the first to congratulate him on this...

Ahhhhh, upon further thought, I'll have to take a pass...

This invasion in Iraq is nothin' more than a political smokescreen to keep the Repubs in power long enough to shread the last of FDR's programs...

Once they are done, heck with Saddam, heck with WMD, heck with it all...

"We did what we came to do, now get over it and return America to those who own it, the rich..."

"And as fir you winey Dems. Screw you. We are the winners and you aren't so... get over it..."

Well, Mr. Bush, the fat lady ain't sung yet......

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Apr 04 - 11:01 PM

I've been house-sitting the last few days so I've been darting in and out of the Fox lair from time to time. The consensus appears to be that "it's good to have all the insurgents in one place and since the civilians have been streaming out of the city, now is a good time to go in and kill them all. When they start to lose, they'll be asking for a truce and I don't think we can do that." Actual quote: Bill O'Reilly

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 04:24 AM

Justa Picker

Let me explain freedom of speech.

A free country without the freedom to dissent is a contradiction in terms.

"Un-American" isn't a term I like, but attempting to stifle dissent is about as un-American as you can get.

I don't think Ed Abbey is an Authority, but he said a couple of things I agree with, and said them better than I could:

"No man is wise enough to be another man's master. Each man's as good as the next—if not a damn sight better."

and

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."

clint

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 08:00 AM

I heard that eerie sound of the battle and prayers too. On ABC that woman Pentagon reporter said the US troops were also using psychological operations against the "insurgents" as well--they had the loudspeakers (attached to the gunships?) broadcasting, in Arabic, taunts and laughter about how they were coming to kill them all.

Just makes you proud to be an American, doesn't it?

And DougR, I think you and all your fascist bastard Republican, gung ho militarist types need to remember one thing when claiming civilian massacres by our troops are "self-defense" because the insurgents were firing on them: we're in their country. It ain't like they got on a boat or jet plane, and started attacking Hoboken from helicopter gunships.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Strick
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:19 AM

Carol, I've read and heard what you saw burning was a couple of trucks loaded with ammo and the houses that went up with them. AC-130 gunships are not exactly selective weapons. I do hope civilians have moved out of the part of town where the insurgents are hold up.

GUEST, what I heard was that the military was broadcasting orders for insurgents to surrender their weapons, that time was running out on the ceasefire deadline. "Taunts and laughter about how they were coming to kill them all" don't fit into any psy-ops profile I've ever heard of, quite the opposite. You've been watching too many criminally insane villians in movies.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:40 AM

I hope that there will be a proper investigation into what has been happening in Fallujah, carried out by a completely independent agency, and that that can start before the evidence is all gone.

"AC-130 gunships are not exactly selective weapons" - but there are some military situations where it is essential to use weapons which are as selective as possible. Minimising noncombatant casualties is not a secondary matter, it is a primary consideration, every bit as important as minimising troop casualties.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Strick
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 12:00 PM

"...but there are some military situations where it is essential to use weapons which are as selective as possible."

Nice sentiment, but not very realistic. Wars are never going to be as clean as we would like them to be, the smartest weapons go astray. From the the description I've seen of the slum these guys are holed up in, even house to house fighting, the most surgical option available, would cause severe civilian casualties if there are civilians are still there. They've had days of ceasefire to leave. Civilians have been fleeing from combat zones since the beginning of time. That's always their best hope.

Remember these are not Iraqi freedom fighters. Their leaders is wanted for murdering an Islamic cleric he disagreed with. Their own people have essentially disowned them and are trying to talk them out of the situation. Even with this combat, US Marines are still holding back. This could have been settled in a couple of days if they weren't looking for a more peaceful solution. al-Sadr could have ended this anytime he wanted to if it was his people he was concerned with and not his political power or his own hide.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 12:13 PM

"Nice sentiment, but not very realistic."

Realistic is just what it is. I'm not suggesting that noncombatants aren't going to get killed, or that war can ever be clean. But minimising deaths in circumstances like that is absolutely central - not "just" for humanitarian reasons, but because of the knock-on effect.

Remember how things started in Fallujah? When there was an incident last year, where some American troops shot dead a bunch of demontstrators? In terms of purely military logic it may have been that what they did was an acceptable thing to do on the day, within "rules of engagement" - at least that was what was announced afterwards. (Though of course thta was what was said about Bloody Sunday too.) But a few months down the road and we see what that helped lead up to.

It isn't just a military battle out there, it never is.

(In that last paragraph you gett Fallujah and Najaf a bit mixed up, Strick - it's a complicated war out there. And "wanted for murdering" is jumping the gun "Accused of" or "suspected of" is a better way to talk about stuff like that.)

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Strick
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 12:44 PM

"wanted for murdering" is the correct term when you have a warrant out for your arrest as al-Sadr does, McGrath. It's not a presumption of guilt.

"When there was an incident last year, where some American troops shot dead a bunch of demontstrators?"

It was never very clear who started that shooting, was it? I also remember the scenes from Najaf where the troops backed away from a crowd to avoid a conflict. US troops are hardly eager to fight civilians, but as you say, it's a complicated war out there, particularly when you have no way of telling who the good guys and the bad guys are. The best you can do is to return fire judiciously and that's hard to judge if you're not the one getting shot at.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST,Catbird7
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 10:33 PM

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:21 PM

Justa Picker--

So, those of us not willing to salute Bush's failed policy in Iraq are traitors, eh?
You may be an excellent guitarist but your political thinking leaves something to be desired. If you are a typical Bush voter, Lord help the US.

In today's Wall St, Journal, that well-known leftist rag (perhaps I should say WKLR), there is a column citing retired Gen. Odom, who also predicts no good outcome in Iraq.(yes, I know he did not support the war from the start) (Is he a traitor too? Is the WSJ traitorous for printing this column?)

His view is that when there are elections, Iraq will likely get an extremely intolerant Islamic republic. Will this be fine with you and the other Bush voters? Will it be worth all the dead? (not just Americans). He also predicts this republic may well be an enthusiastic supporter of international terrorism. Is this your goal? The more Iraqis Bush kills, particularly women and children---collateral damage, right?---but unfortunately just as dead as if targeted, and, broadcast on Al-Jazeera, perfect
propaganda for yet more suicide bombers,-- the more likely this outcome.

By the way, I am a veteran--3 years in the Army --are you? I did not serve in combat. If you did I have a lot of respect for you, but if not....

I'm also a registered Republican, but I'm not an automaton; rather a thinking person (such Republicans do exist). Of course Bush is proud that he doesn't like or trust "intellectuals". I "make no pretense to intellectual eminence or scholarship sublime" but....the feeling is mutual. I'm also not one who voted for W, Daddy , or Ronald Ray-Gun. I'm more a Teddy Roosevelt Republican (though he also engaged in ill-advised foreign adventures--far more were killed in the Philippines than during the Spanish-American War.) I believe in anti-trust and conservation--Bush believes in neither (see the slap on the wrist given to Microsoft, and the continuing pressure on the Arctic wildlife refuge.) These days I might be a John McCain, Arlen Spector, or Richard Lugar
Republican, all of whom have voted against Bush and his Neanderthals on various issues.

In fact, I disown Bush as a Republican. If he wants to disown me, fine. The difference of course is that he may need me and voters of like mind, but I sure as hell don't need him.

If you believe that anybody who does not support Bush's policy in Iraq is a traitor, you'd best brush the dust off the Constitution and the Declaration and re-read them.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:25 PM

Justa Picker is Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST,Ron Davies
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:31 PM

If Justa-Picker is Canadian, what is he doing calling anybody a traitor? Is he confused?

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: CarolC
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:33 PM

I don't know, Ron.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Amos
Date: 28 Apr 04 - 11:35 PM

JP,

You taking a piss here? Or do you have something substantive to say. If you do, how about saying it clearly, so there is no danger of misunderstanding. 'Kay? Right now it is ambiguous as all hell...

A

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:38 AM

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government."

Thats the best quote I've read on this forum!

I also agree that Iraq is a decoy for the loss of rights and freedoms in the U.S. Yes, as a Canadian/American this concerns me. As neighbors, our economies are intertwined. If you (who have a large population) can't stand up for yourselves. What is to become of us?

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:41 AM

Take it easy on J.P. eh? I say we all chip in and buy him a dictionary.


Main Entry: trai·tor
Pronunciation: 'trA-t&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English traitre, from Old French, from Latin traditor, from tradere to hand over, deliver, betray, from trans-, tra- trans- + dare to give -- more at DATE
1 : one who betrays another's trust or is false to an obligation or duty

Obviously no one on the Mudcat had the government's trust in the first place (except maybe Strick **grin**) and so they haven't betrayed it.
NO one has a duty to kiss GWB's Arse, for people like Justa Picker it may be a priviledge, **grin** but it is nobody's duty.

2 : one who commits treason

Obviously treason is committed against one's country. It is only a political crime in totalitarian regimes. People from Canada and the US have fought and died for the right to dissent. It would be a disservice to their memories to agree with everything the government says.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:54 AM

Bill O'Reiley is trying to start a boycott of Canada. Apparantly there are deserters from the US armed forces in Canada. According to the US Army, they do not track down deserters. But you know Bill, Fair and Balanced to the end.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: dianavan
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:56 AM

Yes, there's been talk of an underground railroad to Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Amos
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:03 AM

Among other definitions for treason:

Killing the sovereign, making war against the sovereign or instigating a foreigner to make an armed invasion, or having sexual intercourse with the wife of a sovereign •

Time Limits in Criminal Matters
elo.legalaid.qld.gov.au/asp/glossary/glossary.asp


plotting against a ruler or government; someone who commits treason is called a traitor

newcastle.digitalbrain.com/newcastle/web/Year%204%20History%20How%20many%20times%20did%20Henry%20the%20Eighth%20marry%20HEINEMANN/glossary/


1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.2. A betrayal of trust or confidence. Middle English, from Anglo-Norman treason, from Latin trâditio, trâdition-, a handing over. See tradition.]
www.kamron.com/Liberty/definitions.htm

As for the sovereign over here, I wouldn't touch his wife on a bet.

I believe I am defending my country in the best way that an aging overweight raucous liberal can do.

Any accusations toward me of treason had best be made plainly and supported.

A

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Strick
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:28 AM

"Obviously no one on the Mudcat had the government's trust in the first place (except maybe Strick **grin**) and so they haven't betrayed it."

Good heavens, Rob, I never mentioned my FBI file? I was in my favorite book store buying something when I noticed a little cardboard box with this sign: "Be the first in your neighborhood to be picked up by the FBI". It was filled with cheaply made copies of Chairman Mao's Little Red Book for sale at $.60 each. What's a onery boy like to do when presented a challenge like that?

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Wolfgang
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:47 AM

US forces to pull out of Falluja

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 10:57 AM

I don't believe it for a second. You, the FBI and I all know that you picked up that book in the hopes of one day meeting Mao and convincing him, through the most elegant rebuttal of the error of his ways. To teach the pig to sing, one must first learn his language.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 11:30 AM

They say they are going to pull out of Falluja. Actually pulling out of Falluja is another matter entirely. They said they were going to pull out weeks ago, and all that has happened is a bombing campaign of civilian neighborhoods for three nights running.

As I listened to the Morning Edition report on this from a NY Times correspondent in Iraq this morning, the report is that a group of former Iraqi generals are supposed to try and put together a military force of former soldiers "and others" with tribal connections, within the coming month. It is this group which will take over from US troops. So, considering there isn't any Iraqi force yet in existence to take over for the American troops, this claim sounds like pure propaganda to counter the growing international opposition to the bombing campaign in Falluja by American troops.

What the US military force in Iraq says they are doing/going to do isn't always matching the reality on the ground. We do have to keep in mind that a lot of what is coming out of Bremer and the occupation command in Iraq is political propaganda for audiences outside the country.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:13 PM

In the US, the sovereign is the PEOPLE, and the President is the servant of the People. So if he ever, in any way, acts in a manner that is not in OUR best interest, it is he (or she) who is the traitor.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST,Jim McCallan
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 12:56 PM

The next thing we've heard is that a high ranking member of Saddam's army is to be put in charge in Fallujah....

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 01:32 PM

So the US troops on the ground, the ones most liable to be shot are pulled out.

Instead there is a new force: "the Falluja Protective Army, will consist of up to 1,100 Iraqi soldiers led by a former general from the military of Saddam Hussein and will begin moving into the city tomorrow."

And the full range of gunships and artillery and missiles will be deployed in their support, of course.

Here's a piece from the Guardian and UK Press Gazette, a freelance journalist reporting from the other side of the lines in Falluja. Saving Ali - Where US snipers fire at ambulances:

Over the next few days I got to know the back roads from Falluja to Baghdad almost as well as the field hospital's filthy corridors as I evacuated the injured. I am left with vivid memories: the stench of a burned man's flesh; the dead eyes of two children, a boy and girl under 11 who were shot in the head by snipers.

I volunteered to ride in ambulances evacuating the wounded. Surely they don't shoot ambulances? In fact, US snipers were targeting ambulances. I learned to pick out the beams of sniper rifles.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 02:34 PM

Interesting that the claim is for the Falluja Protective Army is going to happen tomorrow, yet the NY Times correspondent in Falluja said this morning the FPA doesn't even exist yet.

Gotta love that misinformation propaganda! Maybe they decided to bomb the hell out of Falluja's poor people because they thought no one in the international community would notice because, after all, they are poor people.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 02:40 PM

And of course, the occupation authority is still claiming it is Saddam's generals/aides/troops who are fighting the US troops. So they are recruiting Saddam's troops to fight Saddam's troops?

Nice bit of pretzel logic, that.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Strick
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 02:56 PM

It's a hard war:

"Al-Qaida has prepared 15 cars filled with explosives for suicide attacks in Iraq, reports intelligence newsletter Geostrategy-Direct..

Iraqi security sources said the vehicles include ambulances designed to penetrate protected facilities, such as police stations and Coalition Provisional Authority offices.

Some of the vehicles, outfitted with TNT and shrapnel, had been stolen or obtained along the Iraqi-Turkish border, the sources said.

Other ambulances have been stolen in Baghdad and have been prepared for suicide attacks in northern and central Iraq."

Then there's this:

"Additional reports indicate that ambulances and other medical convoys were used to deliver military orders and transport Fedayeen paramilitary fighters. On March 31, three U.S. soldiers were wounded after Iraqi Fedayeen fighters used a Red Crescent ambulance to attack them near Nasiriya, according to military reports."

And this:

"BAGHDAD: Three ambulances packed with explosives, one with as much as 1,000 kilograms, were discovered by US and Iraqi forces here in the past few days, a senior US military spokesman said on Thursday.

'Terrorists have taken on a new ambitious tactic in recent days. Iraqi and coalition security forces have foiled numerous attacks involving ambulances,' said Lt-Col George Krivo. 'Two Iraqi ambulances were stopped at a checkpoint in Baghdad. While the first ambulance was being searched, the second one sped off,' he said."

Wasn't an ambulance filled with explosives implicated in the attack on the Red Cross last October?

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 03:39 PM

Take `em out!

Put `em in!

Move `em out!

Raw - HIDE!

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 04:24 PM

Oh my God- We worked out a settlement and won't have to fight door to door in Fallujah.    Pretty embarrassing for most of the above comments, but very consistant.

Before the war started, we were told by the left that all the oil wells in Iraq would be set on fire, Israel would be attacked, there would be riots in the arab street, there would be more attacks in the United States, and that 10s of thousands of Americans would be killed.    None of that happened.

That has evolved to you can't find Ossama, or Sadaam. After capturing Sadaam it has evolved to there were never any WMD's (we don't count Ricilin, long range missles, hidden laboratories, or weapon plans as WMD's) This has evolved to Clinton Lied and No one died.   (well maybe some innocent people in Iraq and Bosnia from bombings at 15,000 feet, but they really don't matter)

I can hardly wait till the next sound bite.   How about "we can wait, till two thousand eight"

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 05:13 PM

http://www.angelfire.com/md2/customviolins/bushfalluja.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 05:21 PM

And what, I wonder, is the "official" explanation for the sniper bullets being found in the heads of Iraqi children? I thought snipers were a precision weapon.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Strick
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 05:26 PM

So are smart bombs, but if you make a mistake in targeting you can still hit the Chinese Embassy easily enough. You don't see much through the scope, just someone moving over where you think the shots came from.

May God forgive them.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: CarolC
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 05:35 PM

Strick, I'm still not entirely convinced that that Chinese Embasy thing was an accident.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Jim McCallan
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 08:55 PM

"None of that happened (Larry K)

There is a 'yet' and an exclaimation mark, missing at the end of that sentence, Larry K.

It seems the rose-tinted glasses can be bought almost anywhere, these days.

Jim

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Bobert
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:20 PM

What's worse than this is we are reduced to focusing on details of battle plans which is exactly what the military industrial complex wants us to do rather than...

... talking about why folks hate us.

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Apr 04 - 09:22 PM

Or the plan to get us the hell out of Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: US poised to attack Najaf & Falluja
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Apr 04 - 03:42 AM

...leaving in power most of the people they went in to take out of power in the first place.