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Subject: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Bill D Date: 01 May 04 - 10:10 AM There is a full-page ad in todays Washington Post for this group Its heading is "Could this advertisement SAVE the World?" These ads are not cheap, but perhaps they already have their first couple members....I think a fellow named Ponzi may be on board already ;>) (scroll down to Foundation Members) |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Bill D Date: 01 May 04 - 10:12 AM (now if we can get this thread next to "All the scams aren't in Nigeria") |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: freda underhill Date: 01 May 04 - 10:20 AM I see the Chairman is Edward de Bono |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Allan C. Date: 01 May 04 - 10:22 AM If I understand it correctly, for a fee, (reduced by half if one is a memeber,) these kind folks are willing to think about whatever problem you might present. Hell, I just thought about all of this, decided it was crap and didn't get paid anything! I must be doing it all wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: freda underhill Date: 01 May 04 - 10:31 AM why pay? we get this service for free right here in Mudcat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Peace Date: 01 May 04 - 11:24 AM Nude Thinking. Million dollar idea. It will play hell with the clothing industry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 01 May 04 - 11:26 AM Wait! Wait! What if this is a real organization?? What if we really could save the world by thinking differently?? I feel we should all get together, come up with (what is an endowment exactly) a million bucks and let Mudcat join this thing. That would make us all associates!! We could rule the world!!
What a concept! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 01 May 04 - 11:29 AM What would be our first problem we would tackle? L,A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: freda underhill Date: 01 May 04 - 11:30 AM first, all we have to do is to come to some agreement....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 01 May 04 - 11:36 AM right! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Donuel Date: 01 May 04 - 11:45 AM Many of us already pay others to do our thinking for us. Their scheme is basicly an evangelist scheme. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 01 May 04 - 12:01 PM No, Donuel! You miss the point! WE would be doing all the thinking and coming up with the answers. As I said previously, right! L.A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: CarolC Date: 01 May 04 - 12:08 PM First problem we could solve could be how to keep the people who only want music threads happy, while also making a place where people can shoot the breeze together. Oh, wait... Jeff already did that! Maybe those New Thinking people should be paying us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Ebbie Date: 01 May 04 - 12:29 PM Question: "What would be our first problem we would tackle?" L,A. Answer: "It hasn't happened yet. See?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: pdq Date: 01 May 04 - 12:33 PM All from the little island that has givem us so much: Malta'd milk, Maltese cats and a very famous falcon. What a place! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 01 May 04 - 01:06 PM So I erred. How adroit of you. What would be the first problem we could tackle? I reiterate, L,A. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 01 May 04 - 01:33 PM We could start with "What is Folk?"... |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Cluin Date: 01 May 04 - 02:04 PM Stop, children! What's that sound? It's Jiddu Krishnamurti spinning in his grave. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Peace Date: 01 May 04 - 03:32 PM I am going to hold out for the nude thinking thing. I want to work with lots of girl people. And the goat. In Malta. At the meeting in ten years. I don't care what we think about. At all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: artbrooks Date: 01 May 04 - 07:06 PM And after we answer the first question "what is folk music?" we can go on to the really hard one: "Does 'Celtic' exist, and what is it really?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Little Hawk Date: 01 May 04 - 07:18 PM Well, their concept of the New Thinking makes pretty good sense to me, but I'm a bit puzzled by their approach to dealing with it in a procedural sense... The following statements, however, are extremely apt: "Research at Harvard shows that something like ninety per cent of the errors of thinking are errors of perception. Errors of logic are rare. If perception is limited or inadequate the outcome will be rubbish no matter how excellent the logic. Goedel's theorem points out that from within a system it is impossible to logically justify the starting points. Such starting points are arbitrary perceptions and assumed values. There is a need to be able to change perceptions." That, in my opinion, is quite correct. It will be interesting to see who decides to join the organization, assuming it does get formed. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: katlaughing Date: 01 May 04 - 07:41 PM Here's new thinking for them...people who really already are new thinkers don't have to pay a cent to join up and contribute their way of thinking! A worthy idea they have, perhaps, but how the hell do they expect to get anyone in with new ways of thinking without baggage and agendas attached to their money? Am I being too cynical? |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: LadyJean Date: 01 May 04 - 10:58 PM I'm too damned tired to think. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: ddw Date: 02 May 04 - 03:29 PM Wonder if these guys ever heard of Noam Chomsky and the general semanticists.... It's tautological to say 90 per cent of errors in thinking come from perception, not logic. Especially if you're restricted to Aristotelean — i.e., linear — logic. Computer nerds wrapped up that argument pretty neatly with the phrase "garbage in, garbage out." That's why the contract theorists all disagreed. The started from different points — Hobbs saw man as basically evil, Locke saw him as basically good and Rousseau said he was neither. Marx, as far as he's considered a contract theorist, also thought man was basically good and noble. I have no idea who he was watching to arrive at that..... Anyway, if somebody wants to initiate "new" thinking, they have to chuck out linear logic and look for something else. Chomsky said the person is most successful who best manipulates man's symbols. Never mind substance — it's symbols that count. And he and the general semanticists say logic must be pursued in concentric circles of understanding, not just from Point A to Point B in a logical line. According to them, a person should perceive things in his immediate time/area and all the interconnections between them before expanding the time/area and taking in new things and new connections. Interesting stuff. And BTW — I'm not completely convinced this is a hoax or a scam, but I have some pretty serious doubts about the way it's structured. It'll be interesting to watch. cheers, david |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 02 May 04 - 03:35 PM "Noam Chomsky and the general semanticists".. Rock band? Tee hee. Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: annamill Date: 02 May 04 - 03:35 PM No, alternative! |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: ddw Date: 02 May 04 - 03:40 PM Shame on you, Annamill. LOL. david |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: John MacKenzie Date: 02 May 04 - 03:45 PM Perhaps we could figure out how 95% of Americans are descended from Irish forebears, and the other 95% aren't. John |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Little Hawk Date: 02 May 04 - 04:14 PM Man IS good and noble in his basic nature, ddw. And if you observe the majority of people most of the time you will see that they are basically decent, friendly, and wish to be left in peace. The counterpoint to that is: it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the whole barrel. If only 1% of a society is composed of aggressive, ruthless, antisocial individuals who are good at accumulating money and firepower they can majorly screw things up for the rest...and that is exactly what tends to happen. Think back to when you were in school. One or two bullies can mess things up for 100 basically nice kids. - LH |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: ddw Date: 02 May 04 - 05:06 PM I don't disagree with that assessment of individuals, LH, but if we're talking about the collective, we can't exclude the few who mess it up for everybody. And as long as they exist, then we have to assume the larger entity (i.e., the society in question) is going to act evil and needs to be treated as evil. We can still be nice to individuals and hope they will be nice to us, but we have to be prepared to deal with those who don't share those values. Never mind the school analogy — think about what's going on in the world right now. Seems to me a few radical Muslims and radical Christians and radical Jews are making things difficult for everybody. And now, god help us, the Buddhists are trying to spread their views so we can have more dissent about beliefs. Yeah, we really need that.... One other point re the goodness of man.... How do you judge "goodness," since, as long as there are scarce goods (food, shelter, etc.) to be distributed what is "good" for one group; is "bad" for another. Are we all gonna be one big happy family of Earthlings? I'm not gonna hold my breath for that.... cheers, david |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Cluin Date: 05 May 04 - 08:48 AM A lot of people think they're thinking when what they're actually doing is rearranging their prejudices. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: SueB Date: 05 May 04 - 11:29 AM Yes, Cluin, or rationalizing their belief systems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: New Thinking!! YOU can join--maybe From: Ellenpoly Date: 05 May 04 - 11:48 AM "I think, therefore I scam" I don't know who said that, maybe I thought it up myself!..xx..e |
