Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: mooman
Date: 09 May 04 - 01:26 PM

I can assure you jOhn is a LOT more literate than you might ever imagine, guest 05:22AM!

Unharshly and peacefully

moo

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: breezy
Date: 09 May 04 - 01:03 PM

as Lynne Heraud of the MOnday night Waltham Abbey folk club at the legion said, and Moses of the Herga at the Royal oak, Peel Rd Wealdstone on Mondays said,

go ,come to St Albans on Fridays at the Duke of marlboro,Holywell Hill next week Chris Flegg, one of the best guitarists in the country, followed on21st May by Cockersdale

or

Sundays at the Legion in Verulam rd, Tonight Dave 'avril' Bryant

n/w Rosa's daughters then Mike Sparks the w/after

this was not a sabatage, hi jack maybe.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 09 May 04 - 05:22 AM

Better to discuss it over a round of ammunition. RIP jOhn and your fIlk clOb.

Just a tip jOhn - Give up the folk scene and spend your time at adult literacy classes. Now THAT'S harsh.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Benjamin
Date: 09 May 04 - 01:52 AM

sorry to hear it jOhn. Perhaps we should discuss your folk club over a round of golf.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: harpmaker
Date: 08 May 04 - 08:55 PM

Keep at it john & good luck, bollocks to the mockers
(guest, you are right.)

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 08 May 04 - 06:30 AM

I believe something is being lost in the translation....here in the Americas "rubbish" generaly refers to trash, brasura, refuse, garbage.

What ARE you trying to say jOhn? From what I have read is appears Hull in a college town with a delightful set of low-cost-housing that has become a model for the world.

Surely, your "rubbish" must have a another UK meaning than what we yanks believe...you know...something like the confusion we have with:boat,bonnet,bird,bummer?

What ARE you trying to say jOhn? Many of us are now politely listening....what IS your message?....you have all our attention?

Sinceely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 May 04 - 04:20 AM

Keep at it john & good luck, bollocks to the mockers

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 May 04 - 05:04 PM

Besides, I'm arse-deep in rubbish. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 May 04 - 05:03 PM

Sorry I didn't make it, jOhn, but I'm halfway 'round the planet and these days commuting is a bitch.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Linda Kelly
Date: 07 May 04 - 04:35 PM

John -sorry I was guilty for not going but I already go to 2 weekly folk clubs, the monthly Monk's Session and the festival season is beginning, as well as helping to organise EthnoEngland, decorate and look for a job and after grandchildren. My other half is anti folk as you know and there is only so much time available. We were very quiet this week as well, so it was probably timing-don't beat yourself up over it.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 07 May 04 - 02:59 PM

I don't know if it's rubbish - I don't know where it is. If somebody tells me then maybe I'll try it next time I'm visiting my old home town (instead of going to up to Nellie's perhaps).

Jim

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 May 04 - 02:39 PM

Wrong place for this thread, according to the title it should be in BS
John

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jim.
Date: 07 May 04 - 01:33 PM

Perhaps you should try opera or ballet.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: brid widder
Date: 07 May 04 - 01:24 PM

I'm sorry you feel we've pissed you off John... I work hard too and my leisure time is precious... we gave it a try on the first night and no the club wasn't rubbish... but we prefer real ale and are unlikely to have a full evening out... with a longish walk and taxi home to drink something we don't enjoy.... I think the same fate befell Geoff's club at the Bull.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Oaklet
Date: 07 May 04 - 12:57 PM

Be still, my beating loins.......

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Ms Penelope Rutledge
Date: 07 May 04 - 12:28 PM

jOhn, everything you touch turns to rubbish. Face it.

* PR

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Moses
Date: 07 May 04 - 11:32 AM

Breezy may have used harsh words (subtlety and sensitivity are not his strongest points) but he IS successful in the clubs he runs.

Publicity is probably the most important point - yes he does hi-jack other threads and takes every opportunity (visiting other clubs, flyers, posters etc) to tell people about what's on at his clubs

Once you've got them in, it's value for money that will bring them back in. Give them what they want - it may be just a sing-a-round, the occasional guest or (like Breezy) popular and "big" names every week.

Not an easy thing creating a successful club. Some weeks, no matter what, will be disappointing. Don't give up yet. At Herga we've sometimes been down to 4 singers and we're still running after 41 years.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Arnie
Date: 07 May 04 - 10:56 AM

The Friday Folk Club, Deal, got down to about half a dozen regulars at one time but we kept going despite losing our venue. We've now been kicked out of another venue (thanks Shepherds Neame!!) but have found a new home in the Royal Marine Association Club. Despite these setbacks, the audience is growing and now regulary hits between 20-30 which ia a lot for a room over the bar. Unfortunately the room is pre-booked for a function tonight but not to be deterred, we're all meeting in a member's house and bringing our own booze - which will be just as much fun but cheaper than the club! Anyway jOhn, the answer is perseverance, a few good guest artists occasionally and,as has been said, advertising. We rely on What's On Folk, a Kent mag now run by Kathy & Bob Drage - must be working as we're still going despite some tough times. So don't give up - keep on folkin' in Hull!!! (although I'm from Halifax meself)

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 07 May 04 - 09:44 AM

Surely jOhn's not responsible for all the babies - just the baby hamsters.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: KJ
Date: 07 May 04 - 08:52 AM

You're making e feel guilty now jOhn, but I'm afraid the women of Hull just won't stop having babies!! Thursday is my regular shift & after a 13 hr day its all I can do to keep me eyes open!! Keep trying mate.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Leraud
Date: 07 May 04 - 07:36 AM

John - take a leaf out of Breezy's book and sabotage everyone else's thread with news about your own club.

Lynne

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 07 May 04 - 06:25 AM

tis not craP!!!!!

when ive recovered, i gonna kick all your arses for not going shame on you.

if i was feeling alive id rant some more but im gonna go to bed again.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: el ted
Date: 07 May 04 - 06:24 AM

Wise words Sir Roger. I have been to jOhn's club when even he hasn't turned up.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 07 May 04 - 06:22 AM

John

Remember the time when you and I were the only ones in the acoustic workshop in the Sun? Now, if you don't get there by about ten past eight you can't get a seat - we regularly get 20 -30 players there every week. So life can get better.

Rog

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: mooman
Date: 07 May 04 - 05:49 AM

So probably your folk club is a non-starter, and crap too.

Rather harsh words Breezy, you should know better. I ran a folk club for six years too and sometimes shit happens.

Don't get downhearted jOhn. You have tried to make it happen and if you stick with it I'm sure it will. Hull is packed with talented folkies and you just need to keep the word going round and it WILL build up, especially if you create a welcoming ambience. YOU took the initiative and deserve credit for that. I'd have come only I live in Belgium now.

All the best mate!

Peace

moo

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 04 - 05:40 AM

No commitment eh, so if they are not playing they will come along, if only for the curry, keep at it johN

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: ossonflags
Date: 07 May 04 - 05:17 AM

Weelll, I went all the way to Beverley on Thursday and did'nt see you John.We were playing at the "Foresters".

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 07 May 04 - 04:29 AM

It's a long drive up from SE London jOhn.

On the other hand, when myself, Linda, Les, & Yorkshire Yankee turned up at the curry ship last Saturday afternoon - it was shut ! It did evidently open about 1/2 hour later, but by that time we were on our way back across the bridge. You never did turn up at the Eurogathering, so we've got the huff now !

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 07 May 04 - 04:13 AM

Don't take it personally, jOhn, sh*t happens>
I don't frequent folk clubs but the jazz/blues club I go to often has poor attendances despite good bands. They blame: footy on telly, the weather, the night of the week etc. but I suspect it is down to poor publicity. There are very few of us who turn out every week (pushed out of the door by our better halves- even driven to the club to make sure we're out!) whoever is on, so you need to have a wider range of occasional visitors to make up the numbers and that means letting them know what's on. Most local papers are desperate fo copy so an "infomercial" article on the club and the upcoming attractions, an "interview" (ie press release) with an artist etc might get people coming. Our club is getting better attendances now, and I'm sure it's just beter publicity, including a regularly updated website.
...and the rest of you Hullcats: give jOhn the support he deserves, (I'm sure he'll always wear it), I'm sure running a club is a thankless task at times.

RtS

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: breezy
Date: 07 May 04 - 04:00 AM

when no-one came to my singaround in 2002, well 7 came I decided that I had to book guest everyweek as a focus of attention,an interest factor.
So now I have had 3 good years, built up a good club that books big names.
Non - attendance tells you that if you have nothing, you will get nothing.
So probably your folk club is a non-starter, and crap too.
But who am I to say?
Forward planning means that I have guest booked till May 2005, just hope Vin G and Bob F are still going then

Good luck.

Tonight Graeme Knights opens our summer season

visit www.folk4all.net

we are in St Albans, Fridays and Sundays

Sunday Dave 'Avril' Bryant

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: el ted
Date: 07 May 04 - 03:42 AM

Sorry jOhn, something came up. oo er missus.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Jesabel
Date: 07 May 04 - 03:29 AM

Get to the point jOhn and stop beating around the bush, name and shame.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 May 04 - 12:31 AM

It was my turn to mate hamsters with the gerbels. Next week I will go if you will take my place. You seem well versed and kind hearted so I know no harm will be done if we trade positions.

Subject: RE: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 06 May 04 - 10:14 PM

anyway=i notice thaty people go, wehn famous people are going, like greg stephens and jIm Eldon etc, and Rory Mcleod etc, but wehn not famous people are going, i bet they sit on there arse and watch eastenders etc.

Subject: Is Hull Folk Club Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 06 May 04 - 10:08 PM

If not, why don;t you go then?
tonight= i am pissed off, loads of folk people in Hull, but only people that could be arsed to turn up is Les, John the Harp and Chirstine.
so where was ther rest of youy then?
[i knoew Bassicc got problem tonight, so i not shout at him],
but the rest of you = should go, and you dident go, so pissed me off, = people moan ="no folk club in hull anymore etc etc etrvc"
but i made a folk club, and you dont go, tonight is cost me night off in lost wages, [40 quid plus tips], and Les went, [he goes to all the folk things] and jOhn and Christine went [all rthe waey from beverley], so whty didny any other people go???

any way= loads of folk people in hull, but they too lazy,
i took tonight off to make a folk club etc , but i'm not going any more so just get lost.john