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Grownup love songs

Celtaddict 09 May 04 - 08:36 PM
GUEST,Russ 09 May 04 - 09:55 PM
Marion 10 May 04 - 12:12 AM
Celtaddict 10 May 04 - 12:55 AM
Jeanie 10 May 04 - 03:04 AM
LindsayInWales 10 May 04 - 05:48 AM
Chris in Wheaton 10 May 04 - 10:51 AM
emily rain 10 May 04 - 04:37 PM
TheBigPinkLad 10 May 04 - 04:45 PM
Heely 10 May 04 - 06:02 PM
GUEST,Roly Thompson 10 May 04 - 06:43 PM
michaelr 10 May 04 - 06:47 PM
McGrath of Harlow 10 May 04 - 06:55 PM
Joe_F 10 May 04 - 07:20 PM
YorkshireYankee 10 May 04 - 08:58 PM
Margret RoadKnight 10 May 04 - 10:59 PM
GUEST,leeneia 11 May 04 - 12:19 AM
dick greenhaus 11 May 04 - 12:20 AM
TS 11 May 04 - 12:21 AM
GUEST 11 May 04 - 01:07 AM
LindsayInWales 11 May 04 - 11:44 AM
AnneMC 11 May 04 - 03:21 PM
izzy 11 May 04 - 03:43 PM
Celtaddict 11 May 04 - 07:52 PM
mack/misophist 12 May 04 - 10:42 AM
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GUEST,Larry 14 May 04 - 05:35 AM
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Subject: Grownup love songs
From: Celtaddict
Date: 09 May 04 - 08:36 PM

I am gathering a list of grownup love songs. There are so many that strike me as adolescent; any that focus on the physical appearance of the loved one, or involve any whining, are to my mind essentially juvenile. But what about adult songs about mature love?
Fire in the Lake
The Bramble and the Rose
What ones come to your mind?


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 09 May 04 - 09:55 PM

I Believe if I lived my life again... (Utah Phillips)
Golden Mansions (Utah Phillips)
Rose of my Heart
Roseville Fair (Bill Staines)
If I needed You


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Marion
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:12 AM

Lockkeeper and Lies, both by Stan Rogers.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Celtaddict
Date: 10 May 04 - 12:55 AM

Good suggestions! Russ, I assume "If I Needed You" is the Townes Van Zandt one, but I am not familiar with "Rose of My Heart."


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Jeanie
Date: 10 May 04 - 03:04 AM

"Love Again" by John Denver - it's about the delight and surprise of letting love into your life again later in life. Lyrics and chords here: Love Again

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: LindsayInWales
Date: 10 May 04 - 05:48 AM

Dorsetshire folk son, "I Live Not Where I Love"


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Chris in Wheaton
Date: 10 May 04 - 10:51 AM

Don't forget Tom Paxton (see the new Best of Friends cd!) and Greg Brown - Band of Gold et al., Anne Hills - Follow that Road, Steve Gillette - Bed of Roses --
Chris in Wheaton


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: emily rain
Date: 10 May 04 - 04:37 PM

joe crookston's "dance and sway"; about a fiddler, long in the tooth, who still loves to watch his wife move to the music...

and that one that a friend of mine plays all the time -- i don't know who wrote it. the chorus goes:

and those old ways of mine
i've left them behind
those crazy days are through
the only thing i still do
like i used to do
is carry this torch for you


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 10 May 04 - 04:45 PM

Shakespeare's Sonnet 130.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Heely
Date: 10 May 04 - 06:02 PM

OK, how about "Jonathan my Jo, John" by Robert Burns? There are several musical settings. I stifle a tear every time I hear it. I just recieved a recent recording from a friend, but I have no idea who did it.   Here's to love at 50. Heely


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,Roly Thompson
Date: 10 May 04 - 06:43 PM

I wrote a song called "the Longer Love" about the joys of the long-term relationship. It's a good song, and I'm in the midst of recording it. Unfortunately for myself, it's a fantasy - I'm single.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: michaelr
Date: 10 May 04 - 06:47 PM

Heely -- do you mean "John Anderson my Jo"? If you've heard a new ecording, it's likely Eddi Reader. She just put out an all-Burns album.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 May 04 - 06:55 PM

My Lady of Autumn - Dave Webber

Why not stick in a link to the songs you suggest?


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Joe_F
Date: 10 May 04 - 07:20 PM

"Minnie the Freak" by Leslie Fish.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 10 May 04 - 08:58 PM

Old Love by Neal & Leandra -- great song! Although my all-time favourite has already been mentioned: Stan Rogers's Lies. What a song! Took me months of practice before I could actually sing it without choking up. Had a friend sing it at my wedding -- along with Paxton's Home to Me is Anywhere You Are -- which, come to think of it, is another good one.

Cheers,

YY


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Margret RoadKnight
Date: 10 May 04 - 10:59 PM

Tom Chapin's "One and One Makes One"
and by that surprisingly under represented songwriter Dillie Keane -
"Out of Practise" and "Love Late"


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 11 May 04 - 12:19 AM

Send in the clowns
I'll be seeing you in all the old familiar places


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 11 May 04 - 12:20 AM

Well, if you're not sticking strictly to trad (and nobody seems to) there's MacColl's "Love Song for Modern Times" (usually referred to as "The First Time Ever".


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: TS
Date: 11 May 04 - 12:21 AM

I thikn "I'll be Seeing you" is if nothing else, one of the classiest of Love Songs!..


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 04 - 01:07 AM

TIREE LOVE SONG

Horee horo my bonnie wee girl
Horee horo my fair one
Will you come away with me love
To be my own my rare one

All together down by the sea
Down by the sea in the gloamin'
Stepping it lightly with dancing feet
And then together homin'

Smiling the land, shining the sea
Sweet was the smell of the heather
Would we were yonder both you and me
The two of us together


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: LindsayInWales
Date: 11 May 04 - 11:44 AM

How about "my" song, Leezie Lindsay?? Not sure about the Ronald MacDonald thing tho.....


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: AnneMC
Date: 11 May 04 - 03:21 PM

How about a Civil War (?) love song :

When the Roses Bloom Again

Well, they're strollin' in the gloamin',
When the roses are in bloom.
A soldier and his sweetheart, brave and true.
And their hearts are filled with sorrow,
For their thoughts are of tomorrow,
As she pins a rose upon his coat of blue.

"Do not ask me, love, to linger,
"When you know not what to say.
"For duty calls your sweetheart's name again.
"And your heart need not be sighing,
"That I'll be among the dying.
"I'll be with you when the roses bloom again."

When the roses bloom again,
And the sun is on the river:
The Mockingbird will sing it's sweet refrain.
And in the days of Auld Lang Syne,
I'll be with you, sweetheart mine.
Oh, I'll be with you when the roses bloom again.

With the rattle of the battle,
Came a whisper soft and low:
"Our soldier, he is fallen in the fray."
"I am dying, I am dying,
"And I know I've got to go,
"But I wanna tell you before I pass away."

"There's a far and distant river,
"Where the roses are in bloom,
"And a sweetheart who is waiting there for me.
"And it's there, I pray you'll take me.
"I'll be faithful, don't forsake me.
"I'll be with you when the roses bloom again."

When the roses bloom again,
And the sun is on the river:
The Mockingbird will sing it's sweet refrain.
And in the days of Auld Lang Syne,
I'll be with you, sweetheart mine.
Oh, I'll be with you when the roses bloom again.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: izzy
Date: 11 May 04 - 03:43 PM

Not quite folk, but Jacques Brel's Marieke and J'aimais are both beautiful and poignant. Marieke to my mind has something magical about it...I don't know whether there's an English version of it.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Celtaddict
Date: 11 May 04 - 07:52 PM

Wonderful stuff! Obviously this is going to be a great collection. (I have others to add myself, too; Bogle's "Belle of Broughton" and several different ones called "Lady of (the) Autumn" and "Darling Ailie" and "Beat of a Lover's Heart," for a few.) My preference is toward traditional, or those that have the gift of sounding traditional, like "Belle." There are some good contemporary ones too though, even "pop" like Billy Joel's "You're My Home" that definitely should be on the list.
AnneMC, there are several Civil War songs based on letters home from men who died in the war. (Maybe they wrote more letters then?) If you are interested yourself in any more of that ilk, let me know, as I know some that are fairly obscure.
Thank you all and keep them coming! (The hope is that this will develop into not only a special concert or series, but a couple of CDs.) (Male singers, though I tend to agree with Martin Carthy and many others that a song has no gender and a good singer can sing from another's viewpoint, as happens in all traditional songs. Some, though, like Linda Allen's "October Roses," change entirely with a different singer; that one was a sort of "woman power" song from her, but a wonderful grownup love song by Danny O'Flaherty.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: mack/misophist
Date: 12 May 04 - 10:42 AM

It's semi-Victorian, not trad, but one of my grandmother's favourite songs was Silver Threads Among the Gold.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Celtaddict
Date: 12 May 04 - 07:37 PM

I think anything dating to Victoria's era which is still sung today has acquired a certain level of "tradness" anyway...


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Irish sergeant
Date: 13 May 04 - 03:06 PM

"Weeping, sad and Lonely" from the Civil War Of course if I was impolite (And I am) I would add Jimmy Buffet's An alternative love song aka WHy don't we get drunk and screw? But back to being serious The old Irish air "Eileen Aroon" would works also. Kindest regards, Irish Sergeant


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,Russ
Date: 13 May 04 - 07:16 PM

Rose of My Heart is a relatively new song with an old sound. Credited to Hugh Moffat. The version I am familiar with was done by the Whitstein Brothers. Harmonies to die for. If you do a search on the title you'll find mp3 sample.

Forgot one of my favorites. Love Minus Zero No Limit (Dylan)


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,Larry
Date: 14 May 04 - 05:35 AM

Have you ever heard Greg Brown's "I Just want to Tell You I Love You?" I heard him sing it on NPR but have never been able to find a recording of it. A sweet, emotional love song.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 14 May 04 - 06:11 AM

I suggest:

Sailor home from the sea

Take your Time


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,gigix
Date: 14 May 04 - 09:04 AM

"The Devil's Only Daughter" is a great song fron Brian McNeill. The albun is called "The Busker and the Devil's Only Daughter". I did not find it in the Mudcat archive, so here are the verses:


Now that I had a drink or two, just enough to tell you true,
so if you keep from interrupting me again.
You're quarter saint and quarter bitch, half cantakerous old witch,
so hold your tongue while I am trying to explain.
'Cause it's time we fell to talking you and I
'cause every time I took a dram I heard you curse
that you saved me from the gutter, but I kept you from the pawn
and it seems to me the bargain could be worse.

(Chorus:)
For still I love you best of all, and we never shall be parted
we won this far together and we'll finish what we started
you're the Devil's only daughter
but to leave you now would make me broken-hearted
so I tell you now I love you best of all.

God knows I've been untrue, how many times I wish I knew
you could as well to count the stars up in the sky.
But the truth be here to tell, you bring them to my bed yourself
so you can laugh whene'er you hear me tell a lie.
You saw me singing songs that painted jades and faithless whores
and I watched you, and I wondered at the game
'cause you know the score damn fine between the lasses and the wine
I'll be back without a penny onto my name.

        (Chorus)

I've stolen from your eyes every tear you ever cried
and I've gathered them to see what they may bring
For the turning of the year can win the winter of your tears
to the promise of a harvest in the spring.
So though you're old and bruised and battered sit you down upon my knees
and we'll have another drink before we go
Put your head upon my shoulder, lay your back against my breast
and have patience while I'm rosin' up your bow.

        (Chorus)


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 14 May 04 - 09:37 AM

A lot of good suggestions.   I agree with Lies, and Lockeeper by Stan Rogers.    I would also add "45 years" to the list.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 14 May 04 - 09:55 PM

I'm not familiar enough with his repertoire to list songs, but there must be at least one or two Richard Thompson songs that are fit the bill... any RT experts out there?

Larry K -- hi! It's Vikki in Sheffield. Tell Robin I said hello. (I'd PM you, but you're a guest...)

YY


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: cobber
Date: 15 May 04 - 02:08 AM

I heard John McCutcheon sing a song called "The Old Coat" which he said in the intro was written to fill his wife's request for a love song for those who had "been round the block a bit". She was apparently complaining that all the songs on the radio were by, for and about people half her age.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 May 04 - 02:50 AM

'Dark-Eyed Molly' - Archie Fisher
'Home For Me' - Paxton
'The Dimming Of The Day' - Richard Thompson (lost love, but still counts for me!)
'Mary Magdalene' - the monk whose name escapes me but Sooz will tell us.
'Delivery Delayed' - Stan Rogers (filled with amazement and love on the birth of his(?) child).
'Who Will Sing Me Lullabies?' - Kate Rusby (an eloquent expression of her love and the sadness of loss for her mate Davy Steele following his untimely death).

And, of course, Stan's '45 Years', 'Lies', and 'Lock-keeper' -absoluement!

IMHO.
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: matai
Date: 15 May 04 - 03:48 AM

Just about anything by Joni Mitchell.

Matai


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Bearheart
Date: 15 May 04 - 08:35 AM

Guest where can I find Tiree Love song? Like the words but have never heard it. Could use a recorded source if you have one.


Bekki


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Sooz
Date: 15 May 04 - 09:27 AM

Mary Magdalene by Richard Shindell (one time Jesuit Priest)
Climbing on a Rainbow (Kim Seymour)
Black Clothes (Robin Laing) not very grown up but my own favourite!
He fades away (Alistair Hulett)
Out of season (John Conolly)
Not a matter of pride (Mike Silver)


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 May 04 - 01:26 PM

Jesse Winchester's (Bless your) 'Foolish Heart'


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 15 May 04 - 05:11 PM

Thanks Sooz. Too much Lightyear last neet!

And I forgot Joni's 'A Case Of You'. Stunning.


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Subject: RE: Grownup love songs
From: matai
Date: 16 May 04 - 05:54 AM

Just before our love got lost you said
I'm as constant as the Southern cross
I sit constantly in the darkness where's that?
If you want me I'll be in a bar
On the back of a carton coaster in a blue TV screen light
I drew a map of Aotearoa.
Oh Aotearoa, with your face sketched on it twice.
You're in my blood......

New Zealand version (am I allowed to do that?)
Matai


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