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Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia

GUEST,Jean-Paul 12 May 04 - 08:43 AM
GUEST,JTT 12 May 04 - 01:46 PM
GUEST,Jean-Paul 13 May 04 - 08:30 AM
GUEST,JTT 13 May 04 - 08:57 AM
GUEST,Philippa 14 May 04 - 06:39 AM
Fear Faire 14 May 04 - 11:05 AM
GUEST,Philippa 15 May 04 - 07:36 AM
GUEST,Jean-Paul 17 May 04 - 03:50 AM
GUEST,Philippa 17 May 04 - 05:08 AM
GUEST 17 May 04 - 06:07 AM
GUEST,Matt 05 Aug 09 - 09:12 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,Jean-Paul
Date: 12 May 04 - 08:43 AM

Hi,
   I'm a french guy, fond of irish music.
   I've heard a carol song : Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia ( Mary bore a son to God)on a Horslips's album called "Drive the cold winter away".
   I am wondering if anyone might have the Irish-Language version of this and the english one.
   I know this song is mentionned on Mudcat by Philippa,on the thread "Lyr Req: Irish Language Wexford Carol".
Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 12 May 04 - 01:46 PM

You could try emailing Horslips from their website: http://www.horslipsrecords.com/ - they're nice guys and would probably give you the lyrics no bother. Sorry I can't be more help; not much good on hymns, and a quick look at Ceolta Gael, both books, and Cas Amhrain and Croch Suas E, my usual sources, came up empty.

The other thing you might try is joining the Gaeilge-B maillist (google it) and asking there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,Jean-Paul
Date: 13 May 04 - 08:30 AM

Thanks, I've already tried emailing Horslips and have got a nice reply ("I dare say not"); I've to try the other solution.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 13 May 04 - 08:57 AM

The other thing you might try is the Faith of Our Fathers CD - I have a vague feeling that the inlay on that has the words of the various hymns on it. Nice CD, too.


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Subject: Lyr Add: RUG MUIRE MAC DO DHIA
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 14 May 04 - 06:39 AM

RUG MUIRE MAC DO DHIA

Rug Muire mac do Dhia,
íosa Chriost, triath na reann,
Maireann dá éis ina hógh,
An bhean is dóigh do gach dall.

Buime a's máthair Mhic Dé Bhuí,
Bean mar í ní fhaca súil,
Bean ler osclaíodh Flaitheas Dé,
Do mholfas mé os gach dúil.

Ní cosúil í le mná,
Muire Mjhór an bláth nach críon,
Ní cosúil balsam le moirt,
Le lionn goirt ní cosúil fion.


Source: "Fáilte Roimh Íosagán" , cassette tape and booklet produced by "Cór an Ghrianáin", the choir that sings at a long-established weekly Irish-language mass in Derry City. "Fáilte Roimh Íosagán" is dedicated to the memory of one of the founding members of the choir, Prionsias Ó Ceallaigh.

"Rug Muire mac do Dhia" means "(Holy)Mary bore a son to God"

I don't know if there is any difference between these words and the words sung by Horslips. I do remember the seasonal "Drive the Cold Winter Away" album, which had traditional song and was one of the rock group's more 'folksy' productions. There were two other Gaelic songs on the album that I recall and both are already posted at Mudcat, "Don Oíche Úd i mBeithil" (Irish) and "Ny Kirree fo Niaghtey" (Manx).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: Fear Faire
Date: 14 May 04 - 11:05 AM

Wonder what the origin of this is. It is noteworthy that all words at the end of lines are monosyllabic; there is end-rhyme between lines b and d; and, there is internal rhyme in lines b and d with the finals of lines a and c respectively. LInes of seven syllables abound but there are a few of only six. Those lines might repay further scrutiny as to possible corruption although the metre may have always been of this form. Definitely not a folk composition - this poet knew the game.


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Subject: RE: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 15 May 04 - 07:36 AM

corrections:
íosa should be Íosa (anywhere,not just at the beginning of a line) and Mjhór should read Mhór

One way to find Gaeilge-B, recommended by JTT, is via http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,Jean-Paul
Date: 17 May 04 - 03:50 AM

Thanks to all of you.

I've already bought the CD "Faith or our Fathers" on an american site called "Valley-entertainment"; is there any site specialised in irish music where you can buy without difficulty any sort of music media (CD, tapes,...) ?

Philippa mentionned on "Lyr Req: Irish Language Wexford Carol " the CD "Ceol na Nollag" (Christmas music) issued in Dublin by Cló Chaisil in cooperation with Foras na Gaeilge; I've googled it without result, is the only way to get it, to send a letter ?

I finish with this question : is there a site where you can find the lyrics of irish traditionnal songs like "Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia" ?


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Subject: RE: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 17 May 04 - 05:08 AM

http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/ should read http://www.smo.uhi.ac.uk/

There are a number of sites with songs in Irish, but I don't know that any is really comprehensive.

You can find some info on dealers of Irish-language publications via http://www.acmhainn.ie

Cló Iar-Chonachta is a good source of Irish language recordings and song books and they do mail order, but the catalogue is mostly of their own productions, not those issued by other companies.

Are you in France at present?

You may well have to use snail mail to order Ceol na Nollag. As you would if you want the Fáilte Roimh Íosagáin tape (I don't know if it's still available but I know members of the choir)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST
Date: 17 May 04 - 06:07 AM

Thanks Philippa.

Yes, I'm in France at the present time that's what I'd prefer mail orders but if I had to scrive...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Rug Muire Mac Do Dhia
From: GUEST,Matt
Date: 05 Aug 09 - 09:12 AM

I realise this thread is more than five years old, but I'm quite interested in the origin of this song. I know it was in Seán Óg Ó Tuama's collection, but he didn't write it (apparently). Philippa, you say you know members of Cór an Ghrianáin: can you put me in touch with them? Or with "Fear Faire"? He only seems to have posted to Mudcat in '04, but he seemed intrigued by the bardic quality of this poem, and he might have learned more about it since. I don't know how to get in touch directly with you, but I'd prefer not to post my email address. Go raibh maith agat.


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