BS: The mysterious mamalucca

Subject: Obit: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:09 PM

I have been wondering what they look like? Are they dangerous? What are their habits and characteristics? Anyone who can shed light on this business about the mysterious "mamalucca", please post here...

Subject: RE: Obit: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:11 PM

Wait a minute! I did not intend to post that as "Obit", I intended to post it as "BS". Please fix it, Joe Offer or somebody like that. As far as I know, the mamalucca is not extinct at this time.

Subject: RE: Obit: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Megan L
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:15 PM

Ah but do you know that for sure?

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:20 PM

Humph!! There is no such critter, Little Hawk, and you know it. It's a telescope in Chile. You're just fantasizing about words that start with mamma...


A

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:30 PM

There's melaleuca, or the paperbark tree, an plant invasive to the US (esp. Florida) and native to Australia, and a company in Idaho Falls named for it....

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:35 PM

Clearly not what LH meant, though! He is just fueling about...every site that list mamalucca is in Italian, buit no translator will recognize it. Therefore I assume it is unacceptable language...




A

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:38 PM

Ah-hah! Now I am beginning to see a glimmer of daylight on this issue, Amos. Italian, is it? But not acceptable? Hmmmm. I am beginning to see more than a glimmer of daylight.

You are gonna pay for this, Spawk.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Kim C
Date: 13 May 04 - 05:51 PM

Isn't melaleuca the famous Tea Tree? As in tea tree oil & stuff?

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: open mike
Date: 13 May 04 - 06:02 PM

melaleuca is related to eucalyptus--the bottle brush family i believe..
yes tea tree....a good defense against fungus.
mamma lucca must be the mother of melaleuca

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Escamillo
Date: 13 May 04 - 06:50 PM

Mammalucco is Italian for MAMLUKS, an ethnic group of non-muslim origin who established a Sultanate in Egipt circa 1250. Their brief history: here

Mammalucca, as a feminine gender, applies to any name of feminine gender in Italian, for example "epoca mammalucca" = age of the mamluks, "alla mammalucca" = in the style of mamluks.

I don't see any derogating meaning in the word, but it really sounds awful.

Un abrazo,
Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 May 04 - 07:46 PM

I'm not sure what it is. But according to Spaw, its dick is broke.

As in "Hawk, you shit-for-brains broke-dick mamalucca! You are totally fucked up!"

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 May 04 - 07:53 PM

Precisely. Spawk is the smegmatic source of the use of that disgusting word on Mudcat, and I mean to get to the bottom of it and find out exactly what he means by using it.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 04 - 08:21 PM

That's a different usage altogether, LH. He is using his "garage talk subculture slang", which derives from the converging streams of Brooklyn tough and Bronx slut to form new words. In this case the sound of the Italian "mamalucca" is combined with the tribal threat "Ju' Momma!" to make an expression that is at ionce deeply insulting and intimidating, used only on people within spitting distance of the front office of Spaw's Garage and Used Oil Recycle Shop. I will not translate it as this is a site for mixed company but I think you can understand it. It has little to do with the original Mamaluccas so brilliantly defined by Andres up above.


A

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Escamillo
Date: 13 May 04 - 09:05 PM

You may like this one, from the Argentinean slang: MAMERTO !
Although Mamerto is an existent Spanish name, no parents will dare to name their sons Mamerto. It has been given the meaning of idiot in the maximum degree, probably because it sounds horrible.

Un abrazo,
Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Allan C.
Date: 13 May 04 - 09:27 PM

The world famous authority on all things Jamaican, (including, I presume, the voodoo of the island,) Harry Belafonte, can be heard crying, "Mamalucca, booboo day!" during at least one of his recordings. The reference remains a mystery.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Amos
Date: 13 May 04 - 09:42 PM

Allan!! That's "Shut your mouf! Go away! Momma, look at Booboo Day!". Not mammalucca at all!

A

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Allan C.
Date: 13 May 04 - 09:54 PM

oh

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 13 May 04 - 10:05 PM

Are there mamlish mammaluccas?

cliint

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: TS
Date: 13 May 04 - 10:09 PM

hehe...I'm glad I had an uninterupted oportunity to read all the posts to this one...most entertaining..and for that..I thank you all....Slainte!

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Allan C.
Date: 13 May 04 - 10:25 PM

Clint, I can almost hear you saying, "Hey, take a look at the mamaluccas on that one!"

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: catspaw49
Date: 13 May 04 - 11:15 PM

LMAO.....Gotcha' goin' on this one huh Hawk? The word is most assuredly real, nor made up, and one I have heard since childhood.....much to my mother's chagrin. I have even heard it used in quite a few movies lately so perhaps it's usage is growing.LOLLOLLOL...........

BTW, "broke-dick" is one I hadn't heard until maybe 10 years ago, but I fell in love with it from the moment I heard it.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 May 04 - 12:50 AM

In what language would you like your information? Choose one.

"Nous louons une voiture avec Fabien et Amielle pour decouvrir la Vallee de l'Elqui: Vicuna et son observatoire astronomique"

Die grossen Observatorien können nur nach m esichtigt werden, so sind wir mitdem kleineren"


"Reisehandbuch August Conradi Bagatella,
Ciro dpm 3 Akte Pariati 9. Febr. 1715 Wien, Vorzimmer des Hofes; mit
intermezzi Bagatella, Mamalucca, Pattatocco (Pariati). Teseo "

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: polaitaly
Date: 14 May 04 - 06:39 AM

Escamillo is right on the origin of the word, but now in Italian "mammalucco" is a derogatory term, meaning " stupid,slow in thinking" . It's a word that sounds very funny in Italian too.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Amos
Date: 14 May 04 - 07:16 AM

But now in Italian "mammalucco" is a derogatory term, meaning " stupid,slow in thinking" .

Wow, a real reference that makes sense. Thanks. Why the Italians would choose a minor non-Muslim sect from Egypt as a derogatory term is or course one of the great mysteries. The answer goes all the way back to Marco Polo's grandson, who traveled the ancient spice trails back to the valley of the Nile and was ripped off by Egyptian teenagers belonging to the sect who charged him ten dollars to show him the pyramids and then charged him ten ore to show him the way back from them. He was so incensed he used the term as a curse words and would spout it out at random intervals all through his declining years. Thus the usage grew as family and neighbors grew accustomed to hearing him holler "Goddamned dick-broke mammaluccas!!" over and over again in his sleep.

A

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 09:50 AM

Appropriate that a term for "idiot" is also idiomatic.

Great thread. Thanks for the reminder.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 10:09 AM

Audrey Hepburn played a nun called MammaLuke by the Congo natives

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Ellenpoly
Date: 09 Dec 04 - 10:15 AM

LOL GUEST!

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 08:42 PM

Sniff * This thread brings back such golden memories...

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 08:55 PM

Spaw has me so well trained that when I saw this thread, the first thing that popped into my head was 'brokedick.' sigh

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 09:07 PM

Yes it does have fond memories for me as well Hawkster, you broke-dick mamalucca. And it is kinda' funny too since I was having some fond memories reading another old thread today, one from your very early days on the 'Cat. I found it while reading the Worst Song thread running currently and reviewing THIS GREAT OLD THREAD made the latest one look a little lame.

I probably need to drop in on the new one and give them "Major Tom, Psychotic Astronaut."

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 09:24 PM

What tosh! The mamalucca is a Peruvian percussion instrument. Basically, you hit a coconut with the shell of an armadillo.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: catspaw49
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 09:35 PM

ROTFLMAO..............Geeziz that was GOOD!!!!

Sorry leeneia, but a Peruvian percussion instrument can't have a broke dick..............

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 09:49 PM

In the well-known novel, "Baldus," by Teofilo Folengo, one may read ..."deque zenoveso portu passate marinam, donec arivetis soldani ad regna Gurassi, gens ubi guerrigeras lactat mamalucca fadigas, tenta, fac ve provam per drittum, perque roversum, si talem fortasse queas convertere sectam, ad Christi non dico fidem sanctaeque Mariae, sed..."

But surely this is well-known to Mudcats- no further explication is needed.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Escamillo
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 10:21 PM

Broke-dick is a Bolivian percussion instrument made of wood, that has to be hit very hard while both your hands are busy playing the charango.

Un abrazo
Andrés

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Apr 06 - 10:21 PM

To refresh your memories, the fragment I quoted in from Liber Sextus of "Baldus." The entire tome is on line, libros 1-25, at:
http://www.libromania/it/capitolo.asp?autore=Folengo%2C+Teofilo&titolo=Baldus&capitolo=libro+6

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 11:04 AM

Q, warum nicht das auf Esperanto ubersetzen, um das wir allen es verstehen konnen?

(Sorry about the missing umlauts.)

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:26 PM

Sorry, leeneia. Would Sanskrit do?

I quickly found two websites which reproduce "Baldus" in its entirety, so there could be more. I had never heard of the book. From Amazon, it seems there was an edition published in 1997, in the original Latin, and it is called an Italian classic (out-of-print).
Abebooks lists two copies of the 1997 reprint (each over $100). Would you help us all out by ordering a copy and translating it for us?

Seriously, I am a little bit curious. One edition has a subtitle "e altre opere latine e volgari ..." and vulgar things always catch my attention.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: GUEST,The Roving Gambler
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 02:45 PM

You just kind of wasted my precious time.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: gnu
Date: 27 Apr 06 - 03:15 PM

Ya win some, ya lose some.

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 12:16 AM

From Abdul Abulbul Ameer by Percy French:

Then this bold Mameluke drew his trusty shibouk
WIth a cry of "El Allah Akhbar!"
And with murd'rous intent he ferociously went
For Ivan Skivinsky Skivar.

Not a mention of dick - broke or otherwise - in the whole song.

Seamus

Subject: RE: BS: The mysterious mamalucca
From: Bill D
Date: 28 Apr 06 - 01:27 PM

in "Cool Hand Luke" his mama died, thus altering the basic story line..




well....seems significant to me!