BS: Euro 2004

Subject: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 28 May 04 - 12:52 PM

No this is not a thread about a Mudcat gathering, its about the football (soccer to N. Americans) tournament taking place in Portugal in a couple of weeks. So before anyone starts, if you don't like the game or the topic, then please don't participate. We had a little fun with the last world cup thread so I'd like to see a few predictions even weird ones. I predicted that Oliver Neuville would hit the post in the final and he duly complied. So what do you think? Who will win? Will it be host's Portugal, will it be Spain or current champs France, will they take it again. Will it be England or will this be Holland's turn for a major honour. The groups are as follows:

Group A
Greece
Portugal
Russia
Spain

Group B
Croatia
England
France
Switzerland

Group C
Bulgaria
Denmark
Italy
Sweden

Group D
Czech Republic
Germany
Netherlands
Latvia

So there you are. What do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 28 May 04 - 04:23 PM

The Netherlands

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 28 May 04 - 04:52 PM

My heart says England, my head says France.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 04 - 07:21 PM

Here's the official UEFA Euro 2004 site

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 28 May 04 - 07:41 PM

On paper Wolfgang I'd have to agree with you but they do have a habit of chocking in the big games.

BPL about time England did something but will they miss Ferdinand? I have to agree with France but you know I kind of fancy Portugal. They are at home and they have a young quality team and of course you can never count the Italians out.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 May 04 - 07:53 PM

Germany is not on form, I gather.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 28 May 04 - 09:35 PM

My prediction is they'll have those new moving colour video adverts facing the camera and as a player moves left the advert moves right and I can't concentrate and I'll switch off because money will have taken over even the field of play.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 May 04 - 01:37 PM

Heart says Greece, brain has a good laugh. I agree with Wolfgang - Netherlands, I think. And as an underdog, Croatia. They have shown ability to surprise and shame, and they are hungry.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 29 May 04 - 01:50 PM

Brain and heart say please let it be over soon!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 May 04 - 03:04 PM

That link I gave to the UEFA website went pear shaped. This one should work better.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Gareth
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:11 PM

Hmmm ! Round Ball Game I's not watching !

Just remember the Old Welsh saying " I support 2 teams, Wales, and whoever is playing England"

Gareth

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:13 PM

Racist!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 29 May 04 - 07:25 PM

Well, once you have run up against the more orc-like English football fans, there is a strong temptation to hope for whatever result will, in the words of God Save the Queen "Confound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks".

In Sainsburys today I saw they have produced hot cross buns with a St Georg's Cross. (But they were selling them off cheap because they hadn't sold at full ptice...)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 30 May 04 - 07:37 AM

As the great German trainer S. Herberger said: the ball is round, and a game lasts 90 minutes.
That means, these are the only things for sure you may predict.
The luckiest team will win.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 30 May 04 - 09:31 AM

I predict that England will be thrown out of the tournament because of unruly drunken louts.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Ranks
Date: 30 May 04 - 01:31 PM

Germany will win. But I always say that

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 30 May 04 - 03:37 PM

The only thing that could be said for the German team is that they have not been on form at the last world cup too.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 30 May 04 - 03:49 PM

The only thing that could be said for the German team is that they have not been on form at the last world cup too.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 11:50 AM

Portugal v Greece and Spain V Russia, tomorrow. I predict 2-1 to Portugal. I think that Spain and Russia will draw.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST, sick-of-cynics
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 01:05 PM

Well, once you have run up against the more orc-like English football fans, there is a strong temptation to hope for whatever result will, in the words of God Save the Queen "Confound their politics, Frustrate their knavish tricks".

In Sainsburys today I saw they have produced hot cross buns with a St Georg's Cross. (But they were selling them off cheap because they hadn't sold at full ptice...)

You're the Tim-wannabee, aren't you? It must suck to be you, permanently on the lookout to badmouth your parasitee.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Jun 04 - 02:44 PM

Den, the 2-1 was very close for the first game, only the wrong winner. Never mind, I alos would have picked the wrong winner and that'll be not the last time I'll be wrong.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:33 AM

Guest Den. Please tell me you've got France to win 3-0 today.


I reckon you've got my luck when it comes to score predictions!


C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: fat B****rd
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 07:10 AM

Oh F*ck it, I'm going to drink snakebites and yell at the telly. Whilst watching the Football that is. Normally it's BBC4 concerts etc. and real ale , honest.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 10:23 AM

For those not well-versed in 'yob culture' the 'snakebite' to which fat B****rd refers is a half & half mixture of lager & cider.
A waste of good cider in my view!

Nigel

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:21 PM

Well at least I'm willing to put my head on the block. I don't think anyone would have predicted the England v France result. I think though on the balance of play France deserved it. Ok now we have Denmark v Italy and Sweden against Bulgaria. I say 1 v 0 to Italy and 2 v 1 Sweden.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:35 PM

My wife who is Dutch reckons the Kruauts are going to get a big big bo*******G

van Nistelroy will giv ethem hell. :-)

As England are crap, I will be supporting Holland as well. :-)

Well its no good relying on England is it!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:48 PM

"Ok now we have Denmark v Italy and Sweden against Bulgaria. I say 1 v 0 to Italy and 2 v 1 Sweden."

Well Ladbrokes took my money tonight (2-1 to England, Gerrard to score) but I'll take Sweden to beat Bulgaria 2-0 and a draw between Italy and Denmark.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:52 PM

My score predictions are nearly never correct (Netherlands - Germany 2-0 I'd say, nevertheless). The only time I did win a prediction lottery was some Euros ago when I predicted Ireland - England 1 - 0.

I got big praise (and a little money) from all the others and I only had wanted to make a foolish prediction but had failed.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:58 PM

I wish I had bet on Greece beating Portugal. A £1000 bet would have been nice :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:52 PM

........Oh well!.....only three goals out on my prediction!
Italy don't look quite the force they were. One less to worry about!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 09:21 AM

Boy was I off base. What a yawner from Italy and Denmark and Sweden...holy smoke. Who saw that coming...obviously not the Bulgarian keeper. I've got to take the Czech Republic over Latvia though. I say 3-0 to the Czech's and Holland 2 v 1 over Germany. I've got a streak going here.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 09:57 AM

Well done C-flat at least you got one right.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 12:35 PM

I've taken 3-1 in favour of Holland and opted for a Latvian victory over the Czechs of 2-1 (simply because I got 30/1 odds, so it's worth a quid bet!)
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:24 PM

I hope Holland win, otherwise it will be a tough night with my missus, who is Dutch.

There will be no love lost between the Krauts and the Cloggies. They do love to hate each other.

Bit like England and Scotland :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 02:09 PM

Well I picked the winner but blew the score. The Czechs won 2v1.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 02:22 PM

A pound lighter! In only 90 minutes! That's 1 each, Den.
For about 10 minutes of that 90 I was hopeful.
Ideally it will be 3-1 to Holland with either Van Nisterlroy(50/1) or Kluivert(75/1) to score first.
Kluivert has been a recent target for my team (Middlesbrough) so I hope he does it.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 03:09 PM

Ive heard he is coming to the Villa, with Angel going to Liverpool.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:10 PM

We'll have to see who's left after Abramovich has finished waving his cheque book and fight over the scraps!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 05:09 PM

Ive heard he is coming to the Villa, with Angel going to Liverpool.

Just trying to wind you up C-Flat :-)

Villa wont sign Kluivert, but Angel might be tempted away. Normally middlesborough are good at that !!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 08:43 AM

Villian, Just heard worrying news for all English fans, the second night of rioting between English fans and the Portuguese police has been reported on BBC News, and England are on a final warning.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 09:13 AM

They bring shame on the true football supporters.
I went to Cardiff for the Carling Cup final this year and the atmosphere was superb. Both sets of fans were there to enjoy the day, I didn't see or hear of any trouble between the fans and, later that evening, was amazed at how many of the Bolton supporters came over to shake hands and share a drink as we talked over the days events.
They were as dissapointed as we were delighted, but there was no hint of animosity on their part.
Those people are real football fans and I felt proud to be a part of that. These hooligans just make me embarrassed.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 11:14 AM

They did draw, Netherlands and Germany.
Therefore, today, in the Netherlands they criticize team and coach, but in Germany they praise team and coach.
Funny world.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 01:22 PM

What a goal from Van Nistelrooy though. Anyone for Portugal beating Russia? Dare I say 2-0, Portugal. In the other game which is in the 56th minute Spain are leading through a goal from Morientes. So far 5 yellow cards have been dished out. I say Spain will win ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 08:47 PM

Well I nailed that one, the win and the score. Portugal 2v0 over Russia but my other prediction...well we'll say no more about that. England v Switzerland tomorrow and Croatia against France. What will happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:15 AM

I've obviously taken England to win (well I couldn't bet against us!) but there were some good odds on Sol Campbell to score first. Given that he comes up for all the corners I thought it worth a small wager.
I've got 2-1 to England with Campbell to score first at 150/1
4-0 to England with Campbell again, at 375/1
3-0 to England with Gerrard to score first, at 75/1
4-0 to England with Rooney to score first, at 80/1

I don't really care, as long as we win!

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:26 AM

2-1 and Campbell scoring first but in which net????

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:27 AM

I dunno C-flat, it should be England but I'm going to say 1-1. And I'll say 2-0 to les Blues, with Henry scoring and Croatia hitting the crossbar (what the heck).

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:32 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 12:51 PM

Half time and Dens' 1-1 looking a better bet than my 4-0!!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 01:44 PM

4-0 to England with Rooney to score first, at 80/1


Blimey thats good odds

its 3 - 0 and Rooney scored first.

Has anybody taken the 4-0 bet?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 01:51 PM

So what were the odds 3 - 0 with Rooney scoring first.

I am not getting excited about this result. I think England were pretty poor against poor opposition.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 01:55 PM

My palms were sweating for the fourth goal!! Never mind, I'm happy with 3-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:00 PM

I've also got 4-0 to France with Henri scoring first at 50/1.
It would be nice if one of these would come up!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST, sick of detractor chickens
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:01 PM

Villain, you are a miserable bastard with his colours nailed to both sides of the mast. You know nothing about football if you can't see the merit of a 3-0 win. Get onside, or sod off.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:03 PM

I didn't get a price on the 3-0 bet Villan.
I agree with you about the overall performance. The scoreline flatters us a little!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 02:05 PM

I should add that my average stake on these bets is £1. I work too hard for my money to throw it at the bookies in any meaningful way!
:-)
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:03 PM

Guest when you get personal and start swearing at me then I find that unacceptable. You are breaking the rules of the forum.

I have my viewpoint and if you don't agree thats fine, but don't get personal OK

If you want to discuss without getting offensive then do so.

Nuff said

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:07 PM

I've also got 4-0 to France with Henri scoring first at 50/1.

C-flat
Those are good odds, but I think Croatia are a difficult team to break down. Henri is a good bet at anytime.
Good luck with that one.

This is good betting if you only bet a quid and good fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:14 PM

There you go. Silvestre soon knackered that up for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Les from Hull
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:37 PM

It seems it was given as an own goal. That's one for the bookies!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:38 PM

Never mind, there's plenty more daft bets to be had in the coming matches. You only need one good 'un........

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 10:38 AM

lucky that the Swiss were down to 10 men for most the second half or the result would have been VERY different!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 12:16 PM

lucky Alan Shearer has retired or it would have been VERY different! Duh ...

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 01:41 PM

Anyone foe Italy and Sweden. I see a draw. I messed up with my predictions yesterday. How are we doing on the predictions score C-flat? Do we get extra points if we predict the score?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 02:13 PM

I think this is a really tough one to call, Den.
I haven't managed to get a bet on but I would fancy a 2-2 draw.
If Larsson were to score first you could get odds of 60/1 on that bet.
I think I might have also taken Italy to win 2-1 with Larsson as the opening scorer at 60/1.
(Of course now that I've don't have any money riding on it, one of those bets is sure to come in!!)
C-flat-broke.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 02:20 PM

Den, as far as the predictions go, your Portugal/Russia prediction puts you firmly ahead.
I did have the scoreline covered in one of my bets on the last England match, but my scatter-gun approach to betting doesn't really count!
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 11:34 AM

Any predictions for Latvia-Germany?
In the absence of a decent price on a German win, I've taken Latvia to win 2-1 with Ballack to score for Germany first. I got 150/1.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 05:19 PM

What a fantastic game of football tonight.

The best in the competition so far. Holland didn't deserve to lose, and I personally think the ref made a bad decision which caused the Dutch player to be sent off, which may well have influenced the outcome of the game.

Can't see many matches coming up to this level of game tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 06:12 PM

It was phantastic. But the referee really had not his best day. The sending off was not his only bad decision. The second Dutch goal was clearly at least 6 yards offside though the rule why it was offside is not well known. One Dutch player was in passive offside when the ball was played to some other Dutch player who then played the ball to the player who was previously in passive offside. This is one of the situations in which the decision not to call it offside at the moment the ball was played was correct since the player who was offside was far from the ball. But he was closer to the goal than the opposite players and five seconds later used this advantage to score. This is one of the rare situations in which the decision of offside has to come several seconds after the actual offside situation. But a referee at the Euro should see that.

One clear offside goal granted, one wrong booking, he was really a spoiler of a great game.

Now all Germany has to do is to beat the Czechs :-)

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 10:32 PM

I agree Wolfgang, the off-side decision was ridiculous but, technically, under the new rules, it can be argued to be fair.
Nistelroy continued to walk back to an on-side position untill his team-mate had passed him, before turning back in towards goal to receive the ball to score.
I don't know how a player can be regarded as "passive" inside the penalty area, which-ever way he's facing, but that's the rule.
It's a bad rule that is too open to interpretation and one probably made by someone who has never played the game.
Nevertheless, the best match so far. The gap in standard between the, supposed, main European sides with the big-name players and the rest has now closed. I think this year it could go to any of the teams I've seen, which makes for an interesting competition.
C-flat.(passive)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 02:40 AM

Worth having a look at the history of offside. Very informative.

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/corshamref/sub/offhist.htm

The rule that intrigues me is

gaining an advantage by being in that position

I consider van Nistelrooy as well as most Dutch players to be a very intelligent and knowledgeable about the game. They know the rules or should do. They know that if the ball goes out to the wing and Ruud is not interfering with play or a player, that he just needs to move back to be onside.

So was it a set plan or was it an accident that Ruud was standing where he was at that time. Did the player who made the initial pass realise that Ruud was offside and therefore played the ball to another player, or was it a set plan worked out in practice.

Personally I don't think it was a specific set plan. I think Ruud was where he should have been, but was offside if the ball came to him. It didn't and he was definately not interfering with play (under the current rules) in anyt way shape or form.

Not offside when he scored. I hope that all makes sense :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 05:39 AM

No, not a set plan, Villan, but very much a part of Nistelroys' game, as we've seen in the Premiership. Everytime Man.Utd have a free kick close to the opposition goal, Nistelroy can be found in an off-side position, there purely to unsettle the defence, although technically "passive", untill he steps back up to the defensive line or untill he becomes part of the "secondary" action, for which he is on-side.
We can't blame the players for exploiting a weakness in the ruling but there is so much opportunity for "interpretation" from Referees and Assistants that I believe it needs urgent attention.
All a striker needs to do is stand around the penalty area untill play comes his way. As long as he lets his team-mate with possesion get level with his position he is magically transformed from "passive" to "active" and quite within the rules.
I'd rather the off-side rule was completely scrapped than this non-sense.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 06:01 AM

A poor referee and a few bad decisions didn`t spoil a great game, well in advance of anything I have seen yet. A rare treat.
What a pity if the Dutch team are eliminated, they are a hugely entertaining side.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 06:36 AM

"A poor referee and a few bad decisions didn`t spoil a great game"

It did for the Dutch. Having a player sent off did spoil the game. This may have eleiminated them from the competition. They are such an entertaining team and really deserve to be in the next round.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 01:00 PM

Great game. The Dutch were very unfortunate and the odds of them making it to the next round are pretty much against them. The Czech coach will probably rest his best players against Germany giving them an advantage. I can't see Latvia rolling over either. Anyway another game that has the makings of a classic encounter, Portugal who must win against Spain and Greece against the already eliminated Russians. I say Portugal will do it by one goal to nil and Greece will beat the Russians 2-0.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 01:46 PM

Villian, The man to blame for the Dutch defeat was oul cold-ass , Manager Advocatt, he took off their best forward when they were leading, to replace him with a defender, and suffered the consequences.
Advocatt did the same in a European Cup game when manager of Rangers.
Replace this man with an attack minded manager, that is the way with Dutch football, their football is not meant to be stifled by cold-asses like Advocatt.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 02:08 PM

I agree the Dutch are best when attacking. However it doesn't help when you are down to 10 because the referee made a bad decision.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 20 Jun 04 - 04:53 PM

Well I got one right. I agree with Ard get rid of Advocatt.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 03:53 AM

if England lose tonight do we rename this thread as "Someone always has to be last"

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 05:12 AM

Only if Scotland were playing. BG!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:29 AM

It's going to be a tough one tonight but I think we'll do it. I've managed to get a few daft bets on, such as,
England win 3-0, Campbell scores the opening goal, at 200/1
England win 3-1, Lampard to score first, at 75/1
England win 2-1, Owen to score first, at 25/1
Beckham scores last goal (any result) at 9/1
and I've got Rooney down for a hat-trick but at the time of placing the bet there wasn't any prices available.

Realistically, I think it will end up as an ugly 1-0 but I remain hopeful.

For the France-Switzerland game I'm going 2-1 to the Swiss, with Zidane to open the scoring, at 200/1, which I think is the pick of my bets!
Total stake.......£6.(the bookies must be shaking in their boots!)

C-flat.(The bookmakers friend)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 09:36 AM

I've now got the price on my Rooney hat-trick bet. A measly 20/1! The same price on Rooney getting sent off!(far more likely)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 12:57 PM

The Czech coach will probably rest his best players against Germany giving them an advantage.

We don't see it that way, but remember the last Euro: Portugal was already qualified and did send only the B-team to the last (meaningless to them) game against Germany. The Portugese B-team sent Germany home with 3-0.

Seriously, if you are a player who under normal circumstances cannot be expected to make it to the team, you'd run like mad just to show the manager how good you are and how wrong he is.

Concerning the offside (or not), the head of the German referees that is the man who selects them and judges them has said in TV that it was a clear case of offside and should have been judged as such. But I agree that if there are differing opinions in different countries how that should be judged this is a clear case for reconsidering the formulation of the rules.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 04:47 PM

England

Good game
Good game

My favourite
Frank Lampard. What a lovely player and a pleasure to listen to.

I think he is Englands future captain. Watch this space.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 05:14 PM

Four good goals but England let in two.

Quarter finals so far France v Greece
                     England v Portugal

Wayne again - top scorer with 4.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 08:46 PM

Well, Wolfgang that is another way to look at it. I didn't get any predictions in for the England v Croatia or France v switzerland games. I was too busy today. It was an interesting game the England game. They played well in spurts with Scoles and Lampard doing what they should. However I think they may struggle to create against some of the bigger names. Rooney is a handful but he pretty much created his goals without much build up play well the second one anyway. He does well running at players from deep. He isn't your typical back to the goal type of striker. That's where he and Owen are similer but I think he outshines Owen.

France weren't at their best either and had trouble at times trying to break the Swiss down. I think they were deploying Henry in the wrong position for much of the game. He too is a player who likes to run at people although he tends to drift in from the wing and cut into the middle much like he did for the third goal. I don't think you knock long high balls to Henry and expect him to cope well.

So Italy v Bulgaria and Sweden v Denmark. The Italians need to win and score goals. I see them winning but only by 2. So Italy 2-0 Bulgaria. Sweden and Denmark will be difficult to predict. I see this as either being one of the games of the tournament or a dull stalemate. There's really only pride at play here with both teams really only needing a draw. So I'll say 1-1.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: s6k
Date: 21 Jun 04 - 08:51 PM

futball = rubbish

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:16 PM

Well I guess s6k just doesn't read very well. Anyway C-flat what do you say?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:22 PM

Bulgaria have been woeful and even the under achieving Italians should manage at least two goals, the Danes v Sweden is a hard game to call, so I will go for a draw, and take England to beat Portugal on Thursday.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 03:50 PM

Working late today, so wasn't able to make any predictions or lose any money at the bookies!
At this moment Italy are a goal down and sitting at the bottom of their group! I think I would have gone for an Italian victory too Den, but maybe taken the Danes over the Swiss.

"futball = rubbish " s6K (Essex Kay?), you're not going to be a happy bunny for the next few weeks are you?

Maybe you can take some pleasure from the post-match interviews?
There are some real gems to be had.
"We didn't under-estimate them, they were just better than we thought!"............Bobby Robson.

I'm working myself up for Thursday night and have made my usual flurry of bets across a 2-1 or 2-0 result to England, with an assortment of first scorers, ranging from Rooney at 25/1 (2-0 win) to Campbell at 200/1. Someone's going to do it for me soon!
Worst thing is, I've got a gig on Thursday and, try as I might, I can't back out! I'm considering playing with an ear-piece tuned to the match commentary. Could make for some interesting ad-libs.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:05 PM

C-flat you could stick a telly on the stage disguised as a monitor, with the sound turned down...

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:14 PM

That's a bloody good idea!!! I've got a couple of redundant wedge-monitors which could house a small TV.
I feel a spot of D.I.Y. coming on McGrath of Harlow!

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Guacermo DiLuca
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:22 PM

Italy ... fnarr!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:49 AM

Hero to zero moment of Euro 2004?

Casano scoring Italy's second goal in the game's last moments - running in joy to the bench, only to be told that because of Sweden and Denmark's 2-2 draw - Italy were out.

This, despite not losing a game and finishing with 5 points.......

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 02:52 AM

Or is it Totti, sitting and watching and waiting for his 'spitting' ban to enable him to rejoin in the semi-final....?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:43 AM

Poor Casanos' face. One moment jubilation, the next, desperation!
I was amazed at how quickly the news reached the players, especially with so much noise in the stadium.
As for Totti, he didn't deserve to get back into the tournament after the spitting incident.
Hero to Zero sums it up right.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:59 AM

Someone should have told Italy earlier in the Tournament that in order to score goals you have to go forward. They can whine all they want, Nesta says that they didn't deserve to go out and that they are better than both Denmark and Sweden but they were easily the most boring team to watch. Anyway Holland and Latvia and Germany v the Czechs. Holland need to win but then so do Germany. Will the Czechs second team give Germany a run for it. Wolfgang thinks so and I tend to agree with him but it will be difficult without the likes of Nedved and Poborsky. My prediction Holland 3 v 0 Latvia. Germany 2 v 2 Czech Rep.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 10:49 AM

The German strikers' lack of desire in front of goal is going to have to be overcome if they're going to beat the Czechs. Even with a second string side, the Czech players are going out to fight for their places in the first 11 and are not going to roll over for the Germans.
I'll go for a Czech win 1-0.

The Dutch side should meet less opposition from the Latvians and may be able to turn in a good performance, despite their recent problems. Much depends on Nistelroy and Robben (and Advocaats' use of substitutions?)
Holland win 2-0

C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:40 PM

Predictio. The German team will win and go through, or I'm a Dutchman.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 12:41 PM

I fancy the Germans to go through to-night , hard luck on Holland, a good team managed by a moron.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 01:15 PM

All the pressure is off the Czechs as a team - but for the reserves playing who wouldn't normally be playing it'll be a do or die situation. They'll go all out to score.

I've got a feeling that Shambles might find he is a Dutchman after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 04:34 PM

Repeat after me, Shambles,.........."Ik ben een Nederlander!"

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 05:28 PM

Repeat after me Shambles,......... "Ik heb geen flauw benul van voetbal"

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 06:02 PM

I am really sorry Wolfgang - but Kevin is right - would appear to be a Dutchman!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 06:20 PM

I should think there are many people unexpectedly wearing clogs tonight. It's amazing how many times the Germans managed not to score!
The one time they did hit the net was an absolute stunner though. Likewise the Czech first goal from their free kick.
Apparently the German press is no kinder than ours in the UK. The returning team is in for a hard time it would seem.

C-flat.


P.S. Good call on the Dutch result Den! I hope you had a small wager.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 07:12 PM

Anyway Wolfgang, you're in the World Cup in two years time.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: John Routledge
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 07:44 PM

The German tabloid press had already superimposed player's heads on the top of sausages because of earlier failure. What will they say/do now.!!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 02:05 AM

Prediction:

England are not going to get knocked-out of Euro 2004 in a penalty shoot-out, well with the German team, anyway.....

Before the game Des Lynham said to Terry Venables, (ex England manager whose side was knocked out of Euro 96 by the German team on penalties) "what have the German team ever done to you"?

Usually when the England team are winning, why do the comentators come out with, 'I don't wish to tempt fate but' - and then proceed to do just that?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 09:18 AM

Well, a comment from a real newspaper this morning was that there is no reason to be disappointed about this German team. They did what they could and that was not good enough. A bit more luck in one of the games only would have concealed the fact (like it did in the world cup) that the German team since at least ten years is no longer among the top teams in Europe.

If the English coach could pick players from the German team to improve the English team he might take two or three, if the German coach could pick players from the English team to improve the German he'd pick five to seven.

Even back in the times of brilliant Fritz Walter and Beckenbauer, the majority of the German players were from the technical point of view underendowed, too bad for a forth league team in Brazil. What made them strong was the physical aspect and the teamwork. They could outrun most teams they played late in the second half. Which is why we had so many famous comebacks after being down during the game. There is no other team in the world that has an even remotely similar record in World cups of still winning a game or drawing after being 2-0 down.

The physical strength is still there but the other teams, with the technically better players, don't break down anymore in the second half. The physical advantage of German teams has more or less disappeared while the technical skill gap is still there.

The German team will still be able to beat one of the best European teams on a good day, but les frequently.

The number of German players in the German first league is decreasing since many years. Last year, for the first time, we had one team starting the game with 11 players uneligible for the German team. If you look at the 18 teams of the first league in Germany and count the German players that play more than half of the games during the season, you'll find between fifty and sixty. These are the ones Rudi Voeller had to chose from. So if you are a German player playing regularly in your team you have a fair chance to be at least among the 22 nominated.

Often someone has played for Germany who in his home team was only the replacement for a better foreign player.

One particular problem is that there was no good German striker at all since Rudi Voeller himself and Juergen Klinsmann. I see no one to change this soon.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Les from Hull
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 10:15 AM

English football is a bit similar in lots of ways, Wolfgang. We've had Premiership teams with only one or two England-eligible players for quite some time. And players in the England squad like Phil Neville and Nicky Butt are basically reserves for foreign players in the Manchester United squad. English teams stand the best chance of winning if they play at a higher tempo (more physical effort) than their opponents.

Would Owen Hargreaves get a place in the Germany squad if he was German (rather than being Canadian!)?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 11:39 AM

I agree Wolfgang, the sheer size and fitness levels of previous German squads was very intimidating. These days strength, fitness and speed are in abundance everywhere.
Another great leveller for what used to be the top European sides is the quality of coaching throughout all clubs. Teams without recognised stars are turning in quality performances by being well organised and working to a game plan.
It makes for more interesting competition but it's still hard to watch your team being overturned by, supposedly, less skillfull players.
There will always be a handful of players that stand out above the rest but one, or even two, in a side may not be enough.(I'm hoping this applies to Figo and Ronaldo tonight!)
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 11:54 AM

the streets are VERY VERY QUIET. Why? Whats happening???

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: alanabit
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 12:08 PM

England will be praying for rain, rain and more rain. It looks like the only thing which will save them from a certain exit this evening. I expect the technically superior Portuguese to pass the ball at whatever speed they wish until the inevitable mistakes are made by the English defence. There is no harm in England having a run at goal though, They have done all that can reasonably be expected of them and I wish them luck. England have bee wonderful to watch, but I am afraid their defence couldn't stop a taxi. They have done us proud and put the smile back on my face for sure. Now we shouldn't burden them with unrealistic expectations.
It looks like a Holland France final. The Dutch are back from the dead and I think they will continue to improve. I wouldn't mind another helping of the thrilling football they served up last Saturday.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 12:08 PM

Hargreaves?

My guess is he would be among the nominated but not play in the first team. He would play as substitute.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 12:15 PM

The other day the only player on the French team who plays in France was the goalie. It's a general picture - it's always applied for the smaller countries that most of their best players pay abroad, and now it's the bigger countries as well. I imagine it must make life difficult for the manager getting people together to train and so forth.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 12:39 PM

Now we shouldn't burden them with unrealistic expectations.

Amen to that. It is a real shame that at a time when the England outfield squad is really strong - that the long-term strength of England teams for so long - the goalkeeper is now the weak point. There are only four goalkeepers qualified for England selection that are regular Premiership starters.

Is it unrealistic to expect the outfield players to score more goals than our goalkeeper lets in?

I hope not and we will soon find out.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Les from Hull
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 02:27 PM

Good point, Shambles. And these three Premiership goalies, where did their teams finish at the end of the season? 2 relegated, 1 almost relegated. God knows how many goals they let in between them! It certainly seems that goalkeeping is no longer an English skill. Their inability to cope with crosses rivals Dracula's.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 24 Jun 04 - 06:14 PM

What more has poor Sol Campbell got to do to score a championship goal for England? Poor sod, him and Ashley Cole do not deserve to be on the losing side after tonight's game.

I don't really go along with the idea that Portugal were the better team at all. They were as good as England but without more than a little help from the referee, they would be out.....

Prediction:

England are not going to get knocked-out of Euro 2004 in a penalty shoot-out, well with the German team, anyway.....

What idiot said that?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 04:05 AM

Repeat after me Shambles,......... "Ik heb geen flauw benul van voetbal" :-)

you are worse than the TV Pundits. You put the mockers on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 06:19 AM

I am sorry for putting the 'mockers' on things but, in all truth when it came to the penalty shoot-out - did anyone really think England would win it?

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 06:22 AM

not really :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:09 AM

No, 'fraid not :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:11 AM

Busy making Swiss referee voodoo doll.    :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:21 AM

LOL

Don't eat Swiss Chocolate for a year. That will ruin their economy :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:28 AM

and if England had won the ref would not have been mentioned.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 08:57 AM

Too late, the pins are going in :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 09:36 AM

Go for it sledge.

I have removed all chocolate with the slightest hint of Switzerland in it from the shelves. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 09:42 AM

Should you wish to let the ref know your feelings on the matter try sending to:-

[e-mail]

I'm sure he'll be interested.

Apparently Asda are offering Swiss nationals free eye tests, referee Meier is also being offered free spectacles if required hehe.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ex-pat
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:23 PM

Ha!There go our amphibian friends.....that'll teach 'em not to pick Nicolas Anelka.
I'm off for a nice Greek salad.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST, TheBigPinkLad
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 05:32 PM

... and suddenly the black misery of yesterday fades and the sun shines again ;o)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 06:28 PM

.......and my £3 bet on Greece provides me with my first win of the tournament!!!
Only a tenner, admittedly, but still......
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,patriot1314
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:36 PM

have to agree with noddy I'm afraid.
if the penalty incident had happened half way through the game, we would have heard no more about it

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:41 PM

Did Greece win then?

Just got back from the Ceilidh at my club, so haven't seen any football.

If Greece won, ther will be no stopping El Greko :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 25 Jun 04 - 07:53 PM

YES!!! The boys deserved it too, which is even better.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 03:36 AM

How were you able to watch it George. I thought you were at the MWR show? Did they give you a Tv on the night.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 04:13 AM

I was MCing there, Les, you're right. But I visited frequently the main lounge across the yard over some pretext or another (another beer, a cigar, a Number 1...) and luckily, actually caught the goal.

"Hell-ASSS, Hell-ASSS" (as in "...kicking...")

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: sledge
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 04:35 AM

The Swiss Ref has so far failed to reply to my constructive and helpful email :-) How rude.

Go Greece, a thoroughly enjoyable game.

Sledge

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 11:47 AM

It should be said that the Greek team have played very good football. So far, they have beaten both France and Portugal, something certain other more fancied teams teams have struggled to do.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 26 Jun 04 - 05:49 PM

Good on yer Holland.

Could it be Holland V Greece in the final????????

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 05:33 AM

Was it just me or was Holland v Sweden the most boring game so far?

Sol Campbell was on David Frost's show this morning and saw for the first time, the reply of his last minute 'winning goal'.

He was still convinced that it was a pefectly good goal and was also convinced that had it been scored, at this late stage in the game at the other end by the Portugal team, that the referee would have considered it to be a pefectly good goal.

Sadly I tend to agree with him. I can only hope that his England glory day goal is yet to come, he certainly deserves it.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 27 Jun 04 - 09:04 AM

Had you been given the choice, before the Euro2004, to pick your semi-finalists from one of two sets of teams,
A: France, England, Italy, Spain, Germany, or,
B: Greece, Denmark, Portugal, Czechs, Netherlands,
which would you have chosen to predict from?

Same as me? That is, the wrong set?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 05:57 AM

There does seem to be a pattern emerging. Small is beautiful.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wilfried Schaum
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 06:54 AM

Now the Greeks are the substitute German team over here because they are coached by a Bavarian. In TV they are mostly called not "The Greeks" but "Rehhagel's team".
The German Football Association denied that they will offer the national coaching to Rehhagel - he is too old for the job!
Best of all is the notion that the Davids still have their chances.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 07:55 AM

How are The Mighty fallen!! Fantastic to see the 'little' teams of 'no-hopers' kicking arses. Come on Greece, let's see you take the cup - a nation of kind, generous, hospitable people like you deserves the pleasure.
J :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Petr
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 01:03 PM

yaay Czechs,
kdo neskace neni Cech, hop hop hop.
p

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Firecat
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 02:52 PM

I'm STILL furious about that ******* Swiss referee! I was screaming at the screen!! Probably just as well I wasn't there!

Poor Darius Vassell. I feel so sorry for him.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:06 PM

Last night I could hear who was winning when I was cycling through my town: The German crowd was cheering, that only could mean the Dutch were losing.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:20 PM

Nice people, the Dutch.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 12:20 PM

JUST JOKING WOLFGANG!! :0) :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 07:34 PM

YES!!!
The dream continues...

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Pat Cooksey
Date: 01 Jul 04 - 08:07 PM

Congatulations George, just returned from a fabulous night at our
local Greek restaurant in Nuremberg, 5 Televisions, Greek T. V. a fabulous band from Salonika, danced the Zitaki, probably spelt it wrong, the street outside of our house is closed for the celebrations to continue into the morning.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: C-flat
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 03:01 AM

You must be pinching yourself El Greko!
Prior to this tournament, Greece had never won a single match in any major competition. Now they can't stop winning!
As the underdogs, Greece are going to have a great following in the final and, given who they've played and beaten to get there, only a fool would think that it's already Portugals trophy.
Looking forward to a good game.
C-flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 05:23 AM

In Salonika people were still in the streets at 5 in the morning - my sister phoned me to describe the celebrations. In an instant, from deathly quiet (everyone was indoors watching and biting nails), the whole city erupted - people in pyjamas and slippers who never watch footie were screaming, grannies dancing in the street, an almighty traffic jam to the White Tower (did I mention that we do the BEST traffic jams ever?), horns blaring, pickpockets having a field day - aahh, and how I wish I was there!

Now, anything can happen in the final. We did beat Portugal in the opening game of the championships of course, but I think we caught them napping - they will be fully alert now, and playing in front of a home crowd. The sensible money goes for Portugal to win.

But hey, we are Greeks - we take pride in not being sensible. So we dream on and hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 05:29 AM

Good luck in the final George.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,Ellenpoly
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 05:48 AM

GO GREEKS!

I'm thinking of calling my wasband just to see if he's been glued to the telly, but I already know he has.

Lots of things about Greeks (BIG generalization here, so forgive me in advance) are not necessarily to my fancy, but I would just love to see them win the Cup. I have a sneaking feeling that the Olympics are going to be fraught with troubles, and I'd like to see them get some sense of pride now before the games begin.

I love the way you keep saying "We", El Greko! Have you ever played professional soccer??? (Just kidding ;-D )


..xx..e

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 06:36 AM

Even my 86 year old mother says "we" over this, ellenpoly... what was a fluke, then a nice change and then a dream, is a matter of national pride now.

I have it on good authority that the Orthodox Church is organising prayers for the final, by the way.

Crazy? Who? Us? Never!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,petr
Date: 02 Jul 04 - 05:24 PM

the czechs should have won, they had more shots on goal
and the Greek goal was a fluke. But congrats to Greece.
Im rooting for Portugal now.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Wolfgang
Date: 04 Jul 04 - 06:28 PM

Now, who was the one betting a single pound against all odds? Congratulations for winning a small fortune for betting on Greece before the Euro 2004 started.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: JennyO
Date: 04 Jul 04 - 07:13 PM

Big congrats to Greece. It's nice to see the underdog win.

I live in Sydney's inner west, which has a large Greek community. For the last few days, cars have been going up and down the streets with flags flapping and horns tooting. You should hear them now!

The local RSL club in my street, only about 200 metres away in the next block, will be one of the main gathering places for celebration tonight. Just as well I have off-street parking, I think. It'll be a hot time in the old town tonight!

Jenny, (who is not at all interested in sport, but can't help feeling caught up in the excitement.)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Rasener
Date: 04 Jul 04 - 07:24 PM

El Greko
Ik denk dat je bent heel trots met de voetball resultaat.
Gezontheid :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 04 Jul 04 - 08:23 PM

Villan:
Dank U well youngen!

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 05 Jul 04 - 07:12 PM

Thanks Villan. The boys "done good"...
Still, the two memories I retain are:
a) Ronaldo's face breaking into tears - so much heartbreak! I fgelt really sorry for the guy
b) The Portuguese President crying. OK, he's a politician, perhaps they were corcodile tears, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. The Portuguese should be proud of a President who truly shares their disappointment.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 01:14 PM

I'd have been over a hundred quid better off if Portugal had won, having bet them before the tournement started, but you have to be happy for the Greeks at home and abroad when you see the level of happiness victory has brought them.

wr.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 01:56 PM

I hope you put a few quid on Greece back at the start, El Greko, as a gesture of loyalty, even if you thought it hadn't a chance.

I read in a paper somewhere that there were a lot of people in Turkey rooting for Greece, which sounds the kind of development to be welcomed.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: ard mhacha
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 02:35 PM

Well done Greece, and good riddance to Dick Advocatt the Dutch will hopefully select a Manager who will resort to what the Holland team knows best, attacking football.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 04:14 PM

No, I don't bet, so I had no money on Greece...Never mind.

Indeed, Kevin, the Turkish reaction is most heartwarming, and appreciated by the folks back home too. In fairness,things have been much better the last 10 years or so - since a couple of earthquakes in the two countries where we helped each other; and the two Foreign Ministers are young and enlightened with none of the old baggage, and that helps too.

I'd have liked an "old" Holland v "new" Greece match too...As it turned out, my Dutch friends were all supporting Greece and they were the first to phone me to congratulate me.

Subject: RE: BS: Euro 2004
From: Den
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 01:21 PM

Well done Greece. How's that for beating the odds. Well I didn't have any money on them at all either. I was at ALA in Orlando Florida so I missed both semi's and the final. It wasn't televised on cable in the states. Anyway here's to Ireland in the next World Cup. Greece beating France has given me heart that there is hope for the underdog, since we've ended up in a group with France for the qualifiers. Watch this space.