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Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk

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HE WAS A FRIEND OF MINE
SHORTY GEORGE
SHORTY GEORGE 2


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Subject: Chord Req: Dave Van Ronk song
From: GUEST,Joel
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 10:29 PM

Looking for the chords to Dave Van Ronk's version of "He Was A Friend Of Mine"
Thanks


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Dave Van Ronk song
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jun 04 - 10:41 PM

I dunno exactly how Dave did it, but the chords are essentially C, F, Am and G ( in the key of C).


C~~G~~~~~~~~C
He was a friend of mine
G~~~~~~~C~~~~~~~~
He was a friend of mine.
F~~~~~~~~~C~~~~~~~~~Am~~~~F
Never had no money to pay his fine
C~~~~~~~~G~~~~C
He was a friend of mine.

See if that works for ya! Fine tune the changes to suit.

A


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Dave Van Ronk song
From: Mark Ross
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 11:22 AM

Dave played it in A;

E       A
/ / / /   / / / /
E       A
/ / / /   / / / /
D    A   C# F#dim
/ / // /   /
A    E    A
/ / /   / / / /

Fingerpicked. One of the 1st songs I learned to play in that style.
Actually it's Dylan's reworking of an old song

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Chord Req: Dave Van Ronk song
From: Mark Ross
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 11:32 AM

Sorry, there should be a quick D in between the C# and the F#dim. Too damn early!

Mark Ros


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: dwditty
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:22 PM

My version of Van Ronk's version goes like this:

E B7                  E
He....was a friend of mine
(repeat)
A             E       G#          C#m (Dim chord xx5656)
Never had no money, to pay for his fine
(repeat first line)

the dinished chord is a quick step to the next line.

dw
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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: dwditty
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:26 PM

notes for above post by me:

1st 2 lines (The irst 2 chords are 4 beats, the 3rd chord -E- is 8 beats)
2nd line - same
3rd line - A (4 beats), E (4 beats), G# (4beats), C#m ans dim - 2 beats each
4th line same as 1 and 2


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: Nathan in Texas
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:45 PM

Ira Mayer's liner notes on the double LP "Dave Van Ronk" (Fantasy 24710)includes this note ". . . here one must note that he [Van Ronk] was one of the first to recored a Bob Dylan song - 'He Was A Friend of Mine'."


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: dwditty
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:50 AM

BTW, the City of New York will honor the DVR Street by naming a street near Sheridan Square after "the Mayor of MacDougal Street." The cermonies will be held on June 30th with pleanty of music, too.

Read about it HERE

DW


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Aug 08 - 11:37 AM

A7          D
He was a friend of mine
A7          D
He was a friend of mine
G            D
Never had much money
F#          Bm
To pay for his crime
D            A7
He was a friend of mine


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: Mark Ross
Date: 12 Aug 08 - 12:14 PM

Actually, the first Dylan tune to be recorded was one that Dylan wrote on a bar room bet IF I HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, I'D DO IT ALL OVER YOU. It was Van Ronk's dubious honor.


Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Aug 08 - 01:05 PM

Mark, thanks for the reminder ~ I had forgotten all about "...I'd do it all over you," a terrific song I used to sing many long years ago.

Those early-early Dylan songs, many of them pretty humorous, were always among my favorites to perform. People don't generally recognize them (only the hippest of the hip) but they certainly do appreciate them.


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:14 AM

not too sound like too much of an amateur but how do you change the key using a capo as in what fret to place it on any reply appreciated thanks


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:15 AM

i left out i want to change it to C


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Subject: RE: Chords: Dave Van Ronk - He Was a Friend of Mine
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Sep 08 - 08:27 AM

Chords in C


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 09:19 PM

does anyone know where to hear a recording of dave von ronks version of the song? only dylan's is on youtube.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 09:59 PM

The song is on iTunes:

http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=291489548&id=291489521&s=143441>


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 10:02 PM

Or this link
But apparently it requires iTunes to play it, which is a free D/L/ if you don't already have it.


A


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: GUEST,George Stephens
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 11:03 PM

Can't remember where I read it, but I recall Dylan was inspired to write "He Was A Friend of Mine" by Leadbelly's prison song "Shorty George".

George


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 11:05 PM

'"He Was a Friend of Mine" is a traditional folk song in which the singer laments the death of a friend. The earliest known version of the song is titled "Shorty George" (Roud 10055).[1]

The song has been recorded by many artists, including Bob Dylan, Dave Van Ronk, Bobby Bare, Mercury Rev, The Mitchell Trio, Willie Nelson, Nanci Griffith, Cat Power and, in a reworded version, The Byrds.[2][3] The version recorded by Willie Nelson was used in the film Brokeback Mountain and credits Bob Dylan as the songwriter.[citation needed] Dylan had arranged an early version of the tune in 1962 and his version can be heard on The Bootleg Series Volumes 1–3 (Rare & Unreleased) 1961–1991 compilation album.[4]'

From Wikipedia


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: Peace
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 11:08 PM

'Bobby Bare also recorded "He Was a Friend of Mine" in 1964, in memory of air crash victim Jim Reeves.'


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: GUEST,George Stephens
Date: 17 Aug 09 - 11:36 PM

"He was a Friend of Mine" is a traditional folk song of which the earliest known version is "Shorty George" in the same sense as "Don't Think Twice" is a traditional folk song of which the earliest known version is "Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons for Your Hair" or "Bob Dylan's Dream" is a traditional folk song of which the earliest known version is "Lady Franklin's Lament" -- and dozens of other examples. Dylan's a genius, but he's not careful about citations.

George


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: Kenny B (inactive)
Date: 21 Aug 09 - 04:58 PM

Ramblin Jack Elliot recorded it on " Friends of Mine" a graet rendition


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: Songster Bob
Date: 22 Aug 09 - 01:08 PM

Actually, "Bob Dylan's Dream" is more a case of using the form and tune, but not the content, of "Lady Franklin's Lament." Dylan uses the setup verse about the dream, but then veers into his own story. I don't know what category this falls in -- parody, I suppose, since it's more than just borrowing the tune, it's borrowing some lines of actual text, but it isn't reworking a traditional song. "Don't Think Twice" is closer to reworking the whole traditional song -- more of the original is kept within the new song.

Now that I think of it, there's a lot of that sort of thing that happens in folk-song-writing circles. I have done it myself, using more than just the tune from a traditional song. I think I posted a version of "Son of Davy" here, which uses several versions of "Gypsy Davy" as a template to tell a new story. I even sing it to my favorite "Gypsy Davy" tune, "Clayton Boone," but it fits several other traditional tunes, too.

Dylan didn't exactly not cite where the structure of some of those songs came from, though he didn't exactly cite them, either. If you have a new song on an old structure, do you call it the old song ("new words and music by Songer Singwriter")? No, if it's honestly a new song, you call it the new song, and, if asked, admit that you got the structure from an old one.

I don't know if very many people asked Dylan, in those days, where he started a particular song. I know he didn't go around telling folks, though. I suppose he felt if no one asked, it wasn't his job to tell them he got X song from Paul Clayton, or Y song from Hobart Smith. He knew his tradition, and used it, but it wasn't important to him to make those connections obvious, especially when he was working on "Bob Dylan's Legend."

I probably wouldn't, either.

Bob Clayton

("Bob Clayton's Legend" is not yet in your music stores, and may never be, alas.)


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: GUEST,van honk raver
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:45 AM

Youtube Dave van and Nancy Griffith at Eli folk fest. What chords does he use? Cap on 2nd, a and e shapes, then what? The thumb prances about. Any lip readers pls transfer skill to finger work.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:21 PM

A rendition of 'He Was a Friend of Mine' was Dave van Ronk's contribution to Phil Och's memorial concert, Felt Forum 28th May 1976.

A recording of Dave van Ronk? Better than that, the recent Ken Bowser documentary film of Phil Ochs concludes with film of Dave singing the song for Phil at the Felt Forum, and although the picture fades to the credits after the first verse, the whole song continues in sound. I can't imagine anyone doing a better job of it than van Ronk did there.

Rog


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:32 PM

I just converted a Greenbriar Boys & Dian James vinyl LP to CD, and their liner notes say "music arrangement and new lyrics by Hoyt Axton, Nina Music BMI". Great version, by the way.


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Subject: RE: Chords Req: He Was a Friend of Mine (Dave Van Ronk
From: GUEST,Rog Peek
Date: 05 Jun 12 - 05:42 PM

Guest at 5.21pm was me.


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