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Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)

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cetmst 11 Jun 04 - 09:52 PM
GUEST,songster 26 Jan 13 - 06:03 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 26 Jan 13 - 06:57 PM
Joe Offer 27 Jan 13 - 03:39 AM
Sandra in Sydney 27 Jan 13 - 05:38 AM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Jan 13 - 11:23 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 27 Jan 13 - 11:42 AM
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Subject: Lyr Add: NINE RED HORSEMEN (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: cetmst
Date: 11 Jun 04 - 09:52 PM

NINE RED HORSEMEN
Eleanor Farjeon - Mexican Folk Tune

I saw nine red horsemen
Riding over the plain,
And each held his charger
By his long flowing mane.

Refrain:
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!

Their hair streamed behind them,
And their eyes were a-shine;
They all rode as one man,
Though I knew there were nine.

Refrain

Their spurs clinked and jingled,
And their laughter was gay,
And in the red sunset
They all galloped away.

Refrain


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: GUEST,songster
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 06:03 PM

My cousin was taught this song by her Romanian grandmother. Are you sure it's a Mexican folk tune?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jan 13 - 06:57 PM

Joe Offer has the Silver Burdett Centennial songbook, 4th grade, which contains this song.

I can't find it in any of my Mexican references.

There is a song, "Nine Red Horsemen, by Richard Leigh, but I can't find any information on it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 03:39 AM

The lyrics are more-or-less the same as what was posted by cetmst, but there are differences. I wonder where cetmst got his lyrics. I'll post the Silver Burdett lyrics and tune later this week. Interesting that the English lyrics are by Elanor Farjeon, an English hymn writer best known for "Morning Has Broken."
The Silver Burdett book does identify the tune as Mexican, but doesn't give the name of the Mexican tune.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 05:38 AM

I know Eleanor Farjeon as a childrens author, I wasn't aware she wrote Cat Steven's hit.

Wikipedia says the tune is Celtic, tho Wikipedia is only as accurate as the person entering the info.

Wikipedia - Morning has broken
intro -
"Morning Has Broken" is a popular and well-known Christian hymn first published in 1931. It has words by English author Eleanor Farjeon and is set to a traditional Gaelic tune known as "Bunessan" (it shares this tune with the 19th century Christmas Carol "Child in the Manger"[1]).

The hymn originally appeared in the second edition of Songs of Praise (published in 1931), to the tune "Bunessan", composed in the Scottish Highlands. In Songs of Praise Discussed, the editor, Percy Dearmer, explains that as there was need for a hymn to give thanks for each day, English poet and children's author Eleanor Farjeon had been "asked to make a poem to fit the lovely Scottish tune". A slight variation on the original hymn, also written by Eleanor Farjeon, can be found in the form of a poem contributed to the anthology Children's Bells, under Farjeon's new title, "A Morning Song (For the First Day of Spring)", published by Oxford University Press in 1957.

Origina -
"Bunessan" had been found in L. McBean's Songs and Hymns of the Gael, published in 1900.[3] Before Farjeon's words, the tune was used as a Christmas carol, which began "Child in the manger, Infant of Mary", translated from the Scottish Gaelic lyrics written by Mary MacDonald. The English-language Roman Catholic hymnal also uses the tune for the Charles Stanford hymns "Christ Be Beside Me" and "This Day God Gives Me", both of which were adapted from the traditional Irish hymn St. Patrick's Breastplate. Another Christian hymn "Baptize In Water" borrows the tune.

Reference [1] on wikipedia page goes to this url which has a midi so I'll leave it to the Mudcat experts to listen & add to the story

sandra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: cetmst
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 07:20 AM

From 'Rhythms and Rimes' by Mabelle Glenn, Helen S. Leavitt, Victor L. F. Rebmann and Earl L. Baker, C. Valentine Kirby, Art Editor, Ginn and Company 1936. One of a series, "The World of Music'. Other books in the series: For Kindergarten, 'Sing A Song', 'Play a Tune' For Elementary Grades, 'Listen and Sing', 'Tuning Up','Songs of Many Lands', 'Blending Voices' (I also have this one) and 'Tunes and Harmonies' For all Grades "Singing Days'


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: cetmst
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 08:18 AM

I find that I had posted indices to 'Rhythms and Rimes' and'Blending Voices'in the School Songbook Index PermaThread. Wonder whether it's recent memory loss or remote memory loss, both of which are creeping on. - Charles


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 11:23 AM

It seems that the song may be based on a Mexican(?) tune, but the lytics are a recent invention by Farjeon(?).

Perhaps if the tune midi is put in this thread, someone can identify the tune.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 27 Jan 13 - 11:42 AM

A number of songs in school songbooks use tunes from some country, but the words are completely unrelated to the tune; the whole is then assigned to the tune's source country. The name of the person who provided the "marriage" is given but no refernce is made to the source tune. Sometimes the tune is slightly altered to fit the lyricist's "poetry."

I have dozens of school songbooks; a common fault is the poor information provided with the songs.

A bastard kind of "fusion"?
Crediting the whole to the country of the tune's origin, without proper references, is misleading at best.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Feb 13 - 12:52 AM

OK, so here's the Silver Burdett version - from the Fourth Grade book from the Centennial Edition.


NINE RED HORSEMEN
(Eleanor Farjeon)

I saw nine red horsemen
Ride over the plain,
And each gripped his horse
By its long flowing mane.

CHORUS:
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!
Ho hillo, hillo, hillo ho!

Their hair streamed behind them,
And their eyes were ashine;
They all rode as one man,
Although they were nine.
CHORUS

Their spurs clinked and jingled,
their laughter was gay,
And in the red sunset
They galloped away.
CHORUS


Click to play (joeweb)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Feb 13 - 04:11 AM

Any other information on this song?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: GUEST,Herb Melvin
Date: 17 Dec 14 - 10:15 PM

I learned this song in the 4th grade in the 1930s and would love to find a book with that song in it. Can anyone help me? Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Nine Red Horsemen (Eleanor Farjeon)
From: GUEST,M Balke, Wisconsin
Date: 14 Jul 15 - 12:32 AM

I learned this song in grade school in Shawano, Wisconsin, Catholic grade school, around 1960-65.

They definitely had ANTHOLOGIES THAT HAD POLISH, CZECH, HISPANIC, AND OTHER CATHOLIC-COUNTRY-ORIGIN SONGS, but also all-world items like "Our Lady of the Seas" "The Fishermen of Gloucester" and songs like "There's a tiny brown bird in the gable singing" and "Mockingbird, in the old willow tree" and "through the darkness gleaming, lights are dimly beaming, desert folk are sleeping, such a lonely land"

Is there a publisher, like Hal Leonard, who has records of what anthologies might have been published THEN, which might have had these songs in them?


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