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BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

The Villan 13 Jun 04 - 04:42 PM
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Subject: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:42 PM

What a bloody idiot. I dont know about Heskey being the donkey, I think Beckham has won that title.

This is the saecond time he has let us down.

Why doesn't he retire and live with his beloved posh.



Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 04:55 PM

Ranks just posted this on another thread.

England was leading up to the 90th Minute. Beckham missed a penalty in the second half. Zidane scored a free-Kick in the 91st minute. In the 93rd Minute he scored a penalty after a terrible mistake of the English defense.

Ranks did NOT sound too impressed. (I had asked who won.)


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:03 PM

come now it's a game of two halves ...no need to carry on. Be brave....another month to go of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: greg stephens
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:29 PM

Gig deal. When did France last beat us at cricket?


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:37 PM

Weelittledrummer

Its no good having a game of 2 halfs if you lose. :-)


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From: Skipjack K8
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:38 PM

Beckham didn't miss, Barthez made a great save. Beckham is just about the only bloody statesman we've got left in English football, and he carried the defeat with dignity, congratulating Zidane in a most magnanamous way. All power to the bloke. Stop yer carping, Les!


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:46 PM

LOL
Are you a Man U fan then Skipjack?

Of course he is going to congratulate him after his pathetic miss.

"the only bloody statesman we've got left in English football"

LMAO


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,BIG ANDY
Date: 13 Jun 04 - 05:47 PM

I wonder how many flags are been thrown ripped cars, and been left at the side of the road, at this very minuet.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Hrothgar
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:57 AM

The rugby was even worse. Poor Sir Clive!


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Teribus
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:13 AM

If memory serves me right wasn't it a last minute goal scored by this very player that actually got England there? Or am I thinking of another occasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:21 AM

Anyone who blames Becham for this loss was looking at a different match than I was.
The donkeys were calamnity James the goal keeper and Gerard who made a stupid back pass.
I'm not a Becham fan but he was the best English forward on the pitch.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Sweetfia
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 08:37 AM

I can't remember what goal is was but what i do remember is that James went one way as the ball went the complete opposite way!! Idiot!


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,Den
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:03 AM

Well from what I saw Beckham didn't seem to get much purchase on the spot kick and to be honest Bartez did very well. He was across very quickly to make the stop. If its donkeys your looking for. Look no further than Heskey it was his needless foul that gave away the free-kick. James' positioning on the kick was poor. He rooted himself dead centre on the goal line. The wall is there to cover part of the goal. The way they had set up would allow James to move a little to his right and guard that side of the net. And finally Steven Gerrard had enough time to hit the ball anywhere other than where he put it. What about the 30th row of the stadium.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:08 AM

Get used to it YOU LOST!


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:10 AM

I think it unfair to blame Beckham for the loss but it is fair, as suggested in another thread, to suggest he was unwise to take the kick. Here is another angle - from the BBC.

As for the comments about the goalkeeper, as a Norwich supporter, I can assure you the real problem in that area was overlooking Robert Green... Mind you, in fariness to James and with regards to the penalty istelf, I thought it was really well struck.

Jon


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Les from Hull
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:12 AM

This is what happens when a team defends too deep and fails to clear the ball, other than giving back to the opposition. We could have put more pressure on the French midfield players, other than having a clumsy striker leg one up. You're right about James' positioning, Den, but even then it was a brilliantly taken free kick.

Bartez has seen enough Beckham spot kicks to know his technique, but you can't really blame James for not saving the penalty, Sophe. Keepers will often decide which side to dive to before the kicker takes it. It's a 50:50 thing.


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From: s6k
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 09:18 AM

ze germans will defeat all ze infidels!

and i will boil beckhams eye with a hot poker one day


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From: Fergie
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:05 AM

Ahh! Did yis not feel sorry for poor England, I was sitting in front of the telly here in Dublin and I had tears in my eyes, Honest.
Adieu for now
Monsieur Fergus


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From: GUEST,Frog
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 10:26 AM

Let's face it England are crap - I'm glad they lost because I hate the low life sun-reading, no brain scum that support In-GRRR-Lund!

Three lions on a shirt! Don't those tossers realise that, The Three Lions is a french symbol brought to scumland by the plantagenets. Also St George was a Turk and the stupid red cross flag is of eastern european origin.

Beckham? - overpaid poof!


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From: Blackcatter
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 11:33 AM

Deutschland uber alles.


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From: breezy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 11:41 AM

its agame of two parts, the 2nd being longer than the first due to the addition of Added Time, England dont know about that.

No one has told the boys to keep on playing till the end.

It was in the minds of the players that they had won long before the final whistle was blown.
The failure to drive this point home rests with our motivators especially that swede of a manager who is a creep and too many think the sun shines out of his fundamental.

Lack of finishing the race to csoss the line in first place, cost England the game, loss of concentration, loss of determination, loss of pride, loss of direction and the lack of a man to kick arse on the field of play to lead the team to the end .

Dont tell me they were good when they lost.

England messed up, big time.

If you want rewards you have to work for them.

Michaela Breeze's reward has been achieved by exactly that, she puts these prima donnas of footballers to shame as can many real athletes.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: breezy
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 11:43 AM

and my wife says that John Motson's a plonker.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 01:15 PM

keep it up, this is ten times better than the match!

those Plantaganet bastards, wouldn't you know it was them all along. that's why we lost......a kebab munching patron saint and t-shirts with French heraldry, all that money in the captain's handbag weighing him down....well it was hardly a level playing field

if they were anything like sportsmen, they'd give us a doggy's chance - say a penalty shoot out

the only thing is, we have this trouble with penalties.....


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST, clear light of morning
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 01:55 PM

England were much the better side. The scoreline was a travesty. But the scoreline is all that counts. On this showing, however, sober thinking knowledgeable punters would bet on the English to beat the French should they meet again later in competition.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 02:28 PM

To mangle George Burns' words, too bad the people who really know how to sort out England's soccer problems are too busy running folk clubs. ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 03:14 PM

I can't believe that grown men [allegedly] could get so wound up over something so unimportant.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: alanabit
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 03:31 PM

France were the better side and it would have been a travesty had they left the stadium with anything less than the three points which they deserved. They passed the ball to each other and played composed, confident football even when they were behind. They had passion, discipline and skill.
I'll still give England a chance if the two sides meet again though. They weren't all bad. There were some good things in their performance and they can do better.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:06 PM

Do I sniff a bit of Scottish jealousy somewhere :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:21 PM

I hate football, I would ban it with immediate effect in favour of classes in good manners, and civic responsibility.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 04:51 PM

I love football, and am good mannered and am providing the good folk of Market Rasen with a folk club, which together with all the artists, we all put a lot of hard work into.

Don't judge everybody by the minority.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:27 PM

A missed penalty is when the ball goes wide or over the top, and it is always an embarassing mistake. A saved penalty is when the keeper guesses right, jumps the correct way or stays in the middle, and stops the ball going into the goal, and statistically that is bound to happen every now and again. Not at all the same thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 05:48 PM

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr -- what an odd surname.


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From: The Walrus
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:12 PM

I don't see what all the fuss is about!

We won the important match yesterday.
IIRC it's the first time we've whitewashed the Kiwis since sometime in the mid 1970s (and they've pasted us a few times since then).

Walrus


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 14 Jun 04 - 07:16 PM

Oops, sorry Les, in this instance I am guilty of forgetting you run a club. My chiding was meant as a riposte to Breezy's polemic. Honest!

Giok, start your own thread and maybe we'll come over there.


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From: The Villan
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 01:43 AM

LOL Does that mean you are planning to visit Market Rasen Folk Club, in the forseable future then Skipjack :-) Worried I might attack you LOL


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: alanabit
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 02:13 AM

Kevin, I have to disagree. A well hit penalty takes a twentieth of a second to reach its target. The goalkeeper doesn't have a chance if it is hit properly. I think it would be fairer to say that it is unreasonable to expect the penalty taker to get it right every time. To be fair to Becks, he has more than once taken penalties at nerve wracking moments and done the job perfectly. One memorable occasion was against Argentina in the World Cup two years ago. For those who are moaning about his recent miss, it is worth noting how quickly they have forgotten his excellent free kick, which resulted in England taking the lead against France.


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From: AKS
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 03:57 AM

But isn't it still in the book that the goalie may NOT move before the ball moves? Barthez was well on his way when Beckham was only jogging to the ball's (general) direction!

re: "...quickly they have forgotten his excellent free kick..."; say no more, Alanabit, beautiful stuff it was!

AKS

ps did you see the Swedes kick the Bulgarians - boy can they run! Or then maybe the B's are slower than average...


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:15 AM

I believe the rules are such nowadays, that the goalkeeper can move along the goal line but not come forward.

Is that correct referees?


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:39 AM

Skipjack, are you saying that you can freely express an addiction to football, while others must pay attention and not disagree?
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,Asterix
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 04:51 AM

It was a game of two halves.... one 87 minutes long and the other..... six minutes long. Two goals in six minutes now thats what I call a Team.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 09:14 AM

You are right The Villan. The goalkeeper can move at will from side to side along the goal line aslong as he/she does not move forward away from the goal line. Barthez is a master at distracting the penalty taker just ask Steed Malbranque.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:08 AM

has anyone realised that all those little red and white flags are as good as a speed camera. Drive down the road at more than 70mph and the little bu**ers break off.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Den
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 11:51 AM

Oops the guest above was me.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: The Villan
Date: 15 Jun 04 - 12:04 PM

The DVLA are sending out letters to all drivers.

Here is what it says!!!

"In order to assist other motorists in identifying potentially dangerous drivers, it's now compulsory for anyone with a lower than average driving ability to display a warning flag.

The flag (comprising of a red cross on a white background) will be attached to the top of at least one door of their vehicle.

For drivers of exceptionally low ability, additional flags are required."

It comes into force this summer apparently.


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From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 07:36 AM

Get your black arm-bands here.
Delivery due in Thursday. Apply now to avoid the rush.
Comes with free sick -bag.


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: GUEST,V
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 01:28 PM

Beckham? Statesman? Slight problem in the language department - let alone the wife. Thick as mince. Still if England see him as a statesman???????


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Subject: RE: BS: B eckham Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 09:03 PM

What does a statesman do. Whatever Michael Howard's supposed to be doing - I bet ya Beckham could do it better.


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From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:32 AM


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From: The Villan
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 03:11 PM

Beckham? Statesman? Slight problem in the language department - let alone the wife. Thick as mince. Still if England see him as a statesman???????

I like that one :-)


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From: Sweetfia
Date: 18 Jun 04 - 04:58 AM

Rooney!Rooney!Rooney!


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