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Subject: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 03:56 PM

This review may surprise quite a few people, and will definitely traumitise others who find it difficult to escape their limited, partisan political worldviews.

'Fahrenheit 9/11' Gets Standing Ovation


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 05:10 PM

And here is the "Michael Moore is the Anti-Christ" response--a well funded, orchestrated attempt to censor the film by intimidating and attempting to extort theatre chains so they won't show the film:

http://www.moveamericaforward.org/


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST,Clint Keller
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 05:28 PM

Congratulations to Fox news.

I have only tuned in to Fox three times, and each time got a blustering bully. One fool backed up his statements by showing the flag in his lapel to the camera. So I decided they're not worth watching.

It is refreshing to read this.

clint


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: Ed.
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 05:36 PM

The Move America Forward site saddens me deeply.

Please tell me that the views espoused are extremist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 05:58 PM

Take heart! Did you read through the messages that people have posted? Some are Hannity/Limbaugh caliber, but other people definitely get it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: Amos
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 07:04 PM

The views espoused on MoveAmericaForward are extremist, Ed.

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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: Amergin
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 11:48 PM

People only start movements like the "Stop Michael Moore" deal when they're scared....or extremely worried....


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 04 - 11:55 PM

And the RRWN (Republican right wing nuts) are really scared and worried about this one.

As well they should be.

I don't know how many of you have heard that the MPAA has given the film an R rating, and Michael Moore is fuming again (as he well should be), especially because it will keep out the kids who are future cannon fodder in the Bush doctrine wars.

Here is the excerpt from the Internet Movie Database news about it:

"Former New York Governor Mario Cuomo is coming to the aid of Michael Moore and Fahrenheit 9/11, agreeing to represent him in an appeal of the MPAA's decision to slap the film with an R rating. In its decision to bar children under 17 from seeing the film unless accompanied by a parent or guardian, the MPAA's ratings board cited the film's "violent and disturbing images" and language. In an interview with Newsday, Cuomo commented, "I've seen it three times, and I think every American should see this film." He said that he had already spoken to members of the appeals board and that "they seemed receptive."


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: LadyJean
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 12:19 AM

I was thinking, when I read that Bush continued reading after hearing about the first attack on the WTC, it occurred to me that I would have done the same thing. I don't handle surprises well.
Of course I'm not president.
I believe I was 13 when I went to see "Alice's Restaurant", which was rated R. It was running as a double feature with "Yellow Submarine" I carefully worked out my birthdate, to make myself four years older. But the woman at the movie theater never asked for anything except money.
I've seen twelve year olds buy tickets for R rated movies. The clerks are, mostly, kids themselves, and they don't care.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: CarolC
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 11:58 AM

I got in to see A Clockwork Orange when it was still X-rated and I was only 16.

For the last few weeks, I've noticed that FOX seems to be promoting an agenda to get Bush out of office. Makes me wonder what they know about Kerry that we don't know. I don't trust Rupert Murdoch, or anyone who would be willing to work for him for that matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 12:00 PM

Well, I agree that a lot of kids do get in. But I think this is obviously another attempt to limit and prevent Americans from seeing the film, pure and simple.

To suggest that the violence in the film, which is taken from news organizations that have in many cases already published the film clips, is R rated, is saying we shouldn't allow anyone under 18 to watch the news.

Typical of the right wing nuts, though. When they aren't able to exert the control they want over the adults, they punish the kids. So American patriarch of them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 12:45 PM

This just in folks. The PR firm linked to above will protest the release of F9/11 on the airwaves:

"Reportedly the group will begin airing TV commercials to protest release of the movie Fahrenheit 9/11 while producers of the film will expend several millions of dollars in the film's promotion over the balance of the month and into July."

Google News link to the complete story:

The Movie Bush Conservatives Do Not Want You To See: "Fahrenheit 9/11"


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 05:23 PM

Given all the hoopla and money being spent to urge people not to see it you can bet on it that the effort will only increase ticket sales.

Think of the great story about the fledgling Fox Network (Not Fox News) many years ago. They had a so-so show called Married With Children. Ready for cancellation. A lady from the Mid West was offended and started a campaign to make advertisers quit sponsorship and urged Fox to take it off.   Result---a hit show that ran for years and Fox, some exec said, should have built a statue of that lady for singlehandedly getting the nation to watch Fox.


Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 06:03 PM

The powers that be don't learn, and history is to be repeated then. Just see what happened when the govt tried to block the release of the "Rabbit Fence" a couple of years back. Best promotion the film could have received, and all for free. Lucky Mr Moore.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jun 04 - 06:26 PM

I am SO looking forward to seeing this movie!


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Subject: RE: BS: Fox News review of Fahrenheit 9/11
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 04 - 01:27 AM

More interesting tidbits about the Republican party's attempt to censor the film.

PRNewswire today reports that:

"Behind the effort to silence the film is the group Move America Forward, run by Howard Kaloogian, a former California state legislator and right wing operative who takes credit for stopping CBS from airing "The Reagans." However, it has been discovered that Move America Forward's website was owned by Russo Marsh & Rogers, a very well connected Republican consulting firm. When this fact was discovered, the registration of the website mysteriously changed hands over night."

Reuters reports that the predictably vicious backlash smear campaign by the Republican report is well underway with this story:

"A statement this week by Move America Forward claimed "Fahrenheit 9/11" was endorsed by the Lebanese-based organization Hezbollah, which the U.S. government has identified as a terrorist group.
The claim of Hezbollah backing was based on a gossip column item in London's The Guardian newspaper, which in turn cited a story printed in trade publication Screen International.

"It would be more appropriate to have this propaganda shown at Al Qaeda training camps rather than American movie theaters," said Morgan, a talk show host on San Francisco radio station KSFO AM and vice chair of Move America Forward."

However, it appears that Michael Moore will not entertain these fools, as the NY Times reports:

"So how will Moore's movie stand up under close examination?

After a year spent covering the U.S. commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks, I was recently allowed to attend a Hollywood screening. Based on that single viewing, and after separating out what is clearly presented as Moore's opinion from what is stated as fact, it seems safe to say that central assertions of fact in "Fahrenheit 9/11" are supported by the public record...
The most valid criticisms of the film are likely to involve the artful way that Moore connects the facts, and whether he has left out others that might undermine his scalding attack. A great many statistics fly by in the movie - like assertions that 6 percent to 7 percent of America is owned by Saudi Arabians, and that Saudi companies have paid more than $1.4 billion to Bush family interests. Moore and his team say they have news reports and other evidence to back up the numbers, and that it will be posted on his site, www.michaelmoore.com, after the release of the documentary...

Moore is readying for a conservative counterattack, saying he has created a "war room" to offer an instant response to any assault on the film's credibility. He has retained Chris Lehane, a Democratic Party strategist known as a master of the black art of "oppo," or opposition research, used to discredit detractors. He also hired outside fact-checkers, led by a former general counsel of The New Yorker and a veteran member of that magazine's legendary fact-checking team, to vet the film. And he is threatening to go one step further, saying he has consulted with lawyers who can bring defamation suits against anyone who maligns the film or damages his reputation. "Any attempts to libel me will be met by force," Moore said. "The most important thing we have is truth on our side. If they persist in telling lies, knowingly telling a lie with malice, then I'll take them to court."
.
Joanne Doroshow, a public interest lawyer and filmmaker who shared in a 1993 Oscar for documentaries and who joined the fact-checking effort last month, said, "We have gone through every single word of this film - literally every word - and verified its accuracy." That said, Moore's fact-checkers said they did not view the film as straight reporting. "This is an Op-Ed piece, it's not a news report," said Dev Chatillon, the former general counsel for The New Yorker, adding, "The facts have to be right, yes, but this is an individual's view of current events. And I'm a very firm believer that it is within everybody's right to examine the actions of their government."


And finally, the San Francisco Chronicle reports:

"The California-based organization, called Move America Forward, is headed by former GOP Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian and aided by Melanie Morgan, a talk show host on KSFO 560 AM, both of whom had high-profile roles in support of last year's recall election of former Democratic Gov. Gray Davis."


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