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GUEST,adavis@truman.edu 07 Feb 03 - 09:05 AM
MMario 07 Feb 03 - 09:20 AM
GUEST,Q 07 Feb 03 - 02:24 PM
masato sakurai 07 Feb 03 - 07:27 PM
GUEST,adavis@truman.edu 07 Feb 03 - 11:17 PM
Geoff the Duck 22 Jun 04 - 11:28 AM
Geoff the Duck 22 Jun 04 - 11:31 AM
GUEST,MMario 22 Jun 04 - 11:37 AM
SINSULL 22 Jun 04 - 11:55 AM
wysiwyg 22 Jun 04 - 11:57 AM
JenEllen 22 Jun 04 - 11:59 AM
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Subject: slave songs of the united states
From: GUEST,adavis@truman.edu
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 09:05 AM

"Slave Songs of the United States" (1867) is now available online, in digital, searchable form; I put a link from the Missouri Folklore Society front door, along with one to the current Big Muddy Festival site.

Best,

Adam


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Subject: RE: slave songs of the united states
From: MMario
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 09:20 AM

url? (for us lazy peoples who can't be bothered to search on the information given)

http://docsouth.unc.edu/church/allen/menu.html

Slave Songs


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Subject: RE: slave songs of the united states
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 02:24 PM

Allen, Slave Songs, has been linked several times before.
Also linked before is Fenner (in Armstrong), Cabin and Plantation Songs, from the same period (1865-1875) Cabin songs
Also see the Spirituals Permathread, 38686: Spirituals . Many of those in these two volumes have been discussed in that thread with more versions added.

Also see , for the earliest collection, Negro Spirituals, by Higginson (1867): Spirituals


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Subject: RE: slave songs of the united states
From: masato sakurai
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 07:27 PM

As I said somewhere in the forum, one score image (I've forgotten which) is mistakenly given. There have been four reprinted editions; the Dover edition is inexpensive and easy to get, the Oak edition (out of print) is a newly reset one with piano arrangements & chords.

~Masato


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Subject: RE: slave songs of the united states
From: GUEST,adavis@truman.edu
Date: 07 Feb 03 - 11:17 PM

Sorry about duplicating existing info -- it was passed along to me as news, and I thought I'd share it. But thanks for the additional pointers.

Best,

Adam


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Subject: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:28 AM

Hi all - I just happened across this web site and thought we ought to get it listed in Mudcat. "Slave Songs of the United States - Allen, William Francis, 1830- 1889, Charles Pickard Ware, 1840-1921, and Lucy McKim Garrison 1842-1877.".
The book was mentioned in a thread asking for lyrics for "Down in the Valley to Pray" and quoted as an early source of the song, so I did a search and found the whole work online. It contains scanned music and the whole text re-typed for your benefit.
Happy reading!
Quack!
Geoff the Duck.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:31 AM

136 songs.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:37 AM

see also midi project


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:55 AM

Thanks, Geoff. Something to keep me busy on a cold night.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:57 AM

Please glance at the Spirituals permathread before starting a mass harvesting of these songs, and the MIDI thread MMario linked above...... hate to see wasted/duplicated effort.... glad to welcome folks to an ongoing effort....

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: JenEllen
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 11:59 AM

Nice find, Quackers. Thanks!


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:00 PM

I've got midi or Noteworthy Composer of #'s 74 through 83 and also 119 through 136 if anyone wants.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:13 PM

Point taken WYSIWYG and MMario. I put up this thread as a link to source material. It might be more useful to have a permathread with links to as many online versions of old books as we can find. e.g. ones such as this White, B.F. The Sacred Harp, A Collection of Psalm and Hymn Tunes, Odes, and Anthems, Selected from the Most Eminent Authors... Philadelphia: S.C. Collins, 1860, rather than one for a specific book?
Anyway - it's here now if somebody searches for it. (p.s.-it was from your reference elsewhere, Susan).
Quack!!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:35 PM

Thanks, Geoff. It is a treat.

A


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:37 PM

The Slave Songs website has been linked many times in spirituals contained in the Permathread, and lyrics of these songs are already in Mudcat (see Spirituals Permathread mentioned by WYSIWYG). Other versions from various collections often are included with them in the individual threads on spirituals.
In thread 65605, Joe Offer asked for volunteers to make midis for the collection. I believe MMario is one (only one?) who answered the call.

To find the Spirituals Permathread, look in FAQ or use this link to 38686: Spirituals Permathread

Thread 65605: Request

I seem to remember that Allan's "Slave Songs" was in the "Links" but the list seems to be gone and I can't find any of the old links with the new, abbreviated fill in the blanks system.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:39 PM

Actually, Q, I'm coordinating the MIDI effort on these. MMario has done quite a few, but others are doing them as well and I have all of theirs.   The thread he mentioned (and you both linked) is "project control center" for them.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:49 PM

Also linked several times with the threads on spirituals is the small collection of 36 by Thomas Wentworth Higginson, 1867:
Negro Spirituals

Higginson also included "Hangman Johnny" in his article. Those interested in chanteys might be interested in the form.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 12:59 PM

Cabin and Plantation Songs, Thomas P. Fenner: Plantation Songs


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: masato sakurai
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 01:46 PM

The University of Michigan's Making of America also has Hampton and Its Student (1874), which includes "Cabin and Plantation Songs" arr. by Fenner (pp. 171ff.).


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:05 PM

The Fenner site takes a long time to load. Scroll down to find the songs.

More for your list, Geoff- Hope these work, having trouble with my computer today.

Southern Harmony by William Walker: Southern Harmony
Useful old hymn source

Olney Hymns: Olney

Southern Zion Songster, 1864: Zion Songster

Oremus hymnal: Oremus 1874
Old Irish hymns.

Baptist Hymns: Baptist
New listing, but many old ones included.

Making of America Books- includes "The Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual Songs of the Rev. Isaac Watts; Worcester compilation, 1856. Haven't bookmarked this one yet, but can be found through Google.

A Collection of Hymns for the Use of the People Called Methodists, John Wesley, 1889 : Wesley

Hymns for the Camp, 1862: Hymns for the Camp
Sabbath School Hymns, 1863: Sabbath

Seven Sunday School Hymnals, 19th c.: Hymnals

Thomas Ravenscroft Psalter, 1621: Whole Booke of Psalmes

CCF Chordbook (hymns): Chords

Songs of Love and Liberty 1864: Love and Liberty

Harmonia Sacra, 1818: H. Sacra

Many more...


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:11 PM

Permathread with old books on line- what limits??
Stop at 1000 of them?


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 02:21 PM

There is already a thread for online hymnals, too, and many of the above are in them.

It's always helpful when we add to existing resources.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 03:15 PM

Q - for the sake of tidiness, my thinking was group links to online folk song source books - i.e. the earliest references we are aware of - in one place.
On problem with the way Mudcat works is that we often refer to something (and often do Blue Clickies) within a specific thread, but if you are not aware of that thread - even with a forum search, if you put in the wrong string it comes up blank - then you will not be aware that the linked site exists.
Let's face it, once thread creep or trolling hits a thread, then it can be difficult to even attempt to find a specific piece of information.
At least with a permathread the junk can be edited out and only the useful information retained.
My own agenda is that I'm not particularly into Gospel or Spirituals, but every now and then I chance across one which leaps out. I do prefer to have as accurate information on songs as I can get, but don't necessarily have the time or resources to take it further. A set of links such as the ones you and Susan have already posted in this thread are invaluable in saving me time repeating other people's efforts.
Quack!
Geoff.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 03:23 PM

p.s. - I specify BOOKS online, rather than internet collections of songs. Often somebody will refer to a vintage printed work form the 1800s. My chance of happening across such a book in real life is slim. If however it is scanned and pictures put online, then I can see how worthwhile it is (or isn't). Likewise something such as the Slave Songs collection where there are scans of the music and the text has been retyped (So that I can cut and paste it into my own notepads), is a valuable resource I would probably never be in a position to acquire.
There are plenty of online references and lyric collection - including Digitrad, but they often contain inconsistencies, mistakes, and are lacking references to where the site builder got the information in the first place. For the sake of authenticity - or a close as you can without having the person doing the original collecting - it is nice to see the full original printed text.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 04:05 PM

I like to go to the full text as well, and have bookmarked many. I will presume that you mean books with songs, since there are many history, fiction, etc. etc.
Are you interested in original children's books with songs-poems? Robert Louis Stevenson' poems have mostly been set to music. His books are online but finding who set tunes to them can be difficult. Other old books for children with songs-poems are on line.

All of Kipling' poetry books are on line, and much of Service. There are the old Scottish books being put on line, also Child, Minstrel, etc.

I see your point, and think some sort of Permathread could be useful, but you should try to work out some categories, with Joe's help, into which to place the material.

Hymns, spirituals and gospel (with or without carols?) could be one group, 18th c. Scottish, English, Irish could be another, others could be Minstrel, Modern poets (19th-20th c.), children's books of songs and rhymes, Lomax' Southern Collecting Trip (his religious songs are posted but without much of the discussion and the secular ones have barely been touched), etc.

A helter-skelter thread is bound to become unwieldy.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 22 Jun 04 - 06:01 PM

I agree about unwieldy threads, that is why I suggest a permathread which could link to more detailed discussion threads, or a linked set of permathreads if one is too confusing. It is the editability of a permathread which I like. I would even volunteer to keep one tidy if necessary.
Quack!
GtD.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 06:35 PM

There's the book "Slave Songs Of The Georgia Sea Islands" by Lydia Parrish. It's out of print, but try www.bookfinder.com.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: masato sakurai
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 08:11 PM

Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands has been republished by the University of Georgia Press.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 09:22 PM

Parrish, Slave Songs of the Georgia Sea Islands, has been reduced to $20.75 at Amazon. Allan's Slave Songs also available for $9.95. Some others also available.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Chanteyranger
Date: 23 Jun 04 - 11:13 PM

Oy, am I out of date. thanks for the correction.


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Burke
Date: 28 Jun 04 - 09:57 PM

Permathread with old books on line- what limits??
Stop at 1000 of them?


How about 20,000? (Probably another link around here to this one as well ;-))


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Subject: RE: Slave Songs of the United States:website
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Aug 13 - 04:21 AM

There's an interesting video about this book at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JtD_YpyXYU


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