DT Attribution & Minor Corrections - recorded msgs

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Jul 04 - 07:11 PM

At SWIMMING SONG, Loudon Wainwright III's name is misspelled.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Jul 04 - 10:00 AM

The song that is called HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU in the DT should properly be called CUT THE CAKE. See John McCutcheon's website. (It is correctly attributed. John recorded it, but he didn't write it.) Also, the way the verses are divided, and the way the chorus is labeled, are incorrect. See JM's website for a better layout.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: OldPossum
Date: 29 Jul 04 - 03:26 PM

Some of the things mentioned near the top of this thread: Administrivia still need to be corrected (I am checking against the on-line version of the database).

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 29 Jul 04 - 03:33 PM

as far as I know there hasn't been an release of a new edition of the DT since this thread was started...

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Aug 04 - 09:50 AM

REDNECKS, WHITE SOCKS AND BLUE RIBBON BEER was written by Chuck Neese, Bob McDill and Wayland Holyfield. It has been recorded by Johnny Russell and by Hank Thompson.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:27 PM

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:34 PM

ANCIENT GREEKS should be titled THE CLASSICAL GREEK, according to the recording we found. See this thread. The attribution is correct.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Aug 04 - 12:35 PM

There are two misspellings in the title of WHISKEY FOR NY JOHNIE. NY should be MY and JOHNIE should probably be JOHNNY, since that's the way it's spelled in the lyrics (and the way Americans usually spell it).

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Sep 04 - 07:50 AM

John Gibbs wrote IRISH WAYS AND IRISH LAWS.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 06 Sep 04 - 09:52 AM

DARK AS THE DUNGEON should be DARK AS A DUNGEON.

allmusic lists 98 recordings called DARK AS A DUNGEON (including those by Merle Travis) and only 2 called DARK AS THE DUNGEON, both by Johnny Cash. (But even Johnny Cash is inconsistent; he has also recorded it as DARK AS A DUNGEON.)

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I have the song on two Marle Travis CD's "Dark as A Dungeon" on both of them.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 09 Sep 04 - 10:50 PM

These 2 are nearly identical (except for spelling) and therefore redundant:
YE CANNA SHOVE YER GRANNIE
YE CANNA SHOVE YER GRANNY

Also, the spelling inexplicably changes from "canna" to "cannae" and from "grannie" to "granny" within the same set of lyrics. IMO "cannae" and "grannie" are more authentically Scottish.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Sep 04 - 07:44 AM

when did this become a general DT correction thread rather than a thread for crediting song composers?

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Hi - people have been posting minor corrections here for quite some time, and it seems to work well - so I changed the thread title to fit the contents.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: MMario
Date: 13 Sep 04 - 01:40 PM

my understanding would be so that it cuts down on the number of places people have to check for corrections.

it's an edited thread anyway.

midi beakshm missing from both mudcat and downloaded versions.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Sep 04 - 10:33 PM

TUNE FILE: KEMOKIMO is missing from both the online and downloadable versions of the DT.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 22 Sep 04 - 03:31 PM

lyric correction for The Waxies Dargle

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 12:14 AM

According to this message and several Internet sources, DANNY BOY was written by Frederic E. Weatherly.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Oct 04 - 07:37 AM

I posted the lyrics to DANNY BOY from the 1913 sheet music in this thread. In addition to several differences in wording, it should be printed as 2 verses of 8 lines, not 4 verses of 4 lines.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 12:12 PM

According to this thread, PLASTIC JESUS was written by Ed Rush and George Cromarty, but I don't know whether PLASTIC JESUS or PLASTIC JESUS (2) is closer to the version they wrote.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 09:10 PM

I'LL TAKE YOU HOME AGAIN, KATHLEEN was written by Thomas P. Westendorf.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Oct 04 - 11:41 PM

Thanks for your efforts here. A lot of old material in the DT lacks good attribution, and it takes time to run it down.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 08:22 AM

THE TRAIL OF THE LONESOME PINE is missing a verse, and the spacing gives the wrong impression of which part is the chorus. A more complete and accurate version is given here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Oct 04 - 04:42 PM

The Regular Army, O was performed by Harrigan and Hart, Words by Edward Harrigan. Music Adapted and Arranged by Dave Braham, published in 1874.

The version in the Digital Tradition is, as stated, from Loesser's Humor in American Song. There is sheet music at the Levy Sheet Music Collection. The Harrigan version is different from the DT version. It could be that a traditional version predates the Harrigan-Hart version.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Oct 04 - 11:48 PM

PASSING THRU should be spelled PASSING THROUGH, and it was written by Dick Blakeslee in 1948. It has been recorded by Dick Blakeslee, Leonard Cohen, Cisco Houston, and Pete Seeger.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 03:05 PM

According to the sheet music at The Library of Congress American Memory Collection, WHY DON'T THEY DO SO NOW? was written by E. F. Dixey in 1865. (This seems to be the ancestor of I WISH THEY'D DO IT NOW.)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Oct 04 - 03:13 PM

I forgot to mention: The text of WHY DON'T THEY DO SO NOW? needs to have a blank line inserted to separate the chorus from the second verse. The chorus is actually only 2 lines long.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 19 Oct 04 - 07:29 AM

In LE DÉSERTEUR, letters with accent marks have been lost or converted to "_". The original can be found here

Accents can be a problem and can change from machine to machine. Is there a good way to handle them? SofDT

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Oct 04 - 05:33 AM

STEP IT OUT, MARY was written by Sean McCarthy, according to information in several threads.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 24 Oct 04 - 01:52 AM

The title BIRD IN A GUILDED CAGE is misspelled. It should be "GILDED".

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 07 Nov 04 - 10:20 PM

GENERAL GUINESS unfortunately misspells "Guinness" both in the title and twice in the lyrics.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Nov 04 - 10:48 PM

Eve of Destruction: Words were by Phil F. Sloan, 1965; music by Steve Barri. Barry McGuire did the definitive recording of the song.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 21 Nov 04 - 11:32 AM

THE LITTLE DRUMMER BOY was written by Katherine K. Davis, Henry Onorati, and Harry Simeone, according to several web sites, for example, this one.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Dec 04 - 11:53 AM

According to Bill Watkins' web site, THE ERRANT APPRENTICE has words by Bill Watkins and music by Andy M. Stewart and Gerry O'Beirne.

Also, the last two lines should be:
"For there's many things worth trying for and occasionally worth lying for,
But there's bugger-all worth dying for, so I'll stick to the single life."
(The first change is essential for the lines to make sense.)

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 07 Dec 04 - 12:43 AM

Liverpool Lullaby is copyright 1960, Heathside Music. It should be Lyrics - Stan Kelly. The tune is the traditional Tyneside "Dollia", arr. Stan Kelly (as cited on an old Stan Kelly web site).

Dollia itself is entitled "Dol-li-a" in the DT, and the connection with Liverpool Lullaby is made there, as well as in a couple of messages in the Forum.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 04:50 AM

ALL HAIL TO THE DAYS and IN PRAISE OF CHRISTMAS are practically identical—they even have the same source—except that the first is printed as 8 verses of 4 lines and the second is 4 verses of 8 lines. I think the second arrangement is more accurate, but that copy also contains more typos.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Dec 04 - 07:39 AM

Ewan MacColls 'Go Down Ye Murderers' is missing an R in the title , making it rather difficult(IMPOSSIBLE) to find from 'Search'.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Dec 04 - 03:57 AM

This thread provides corrected lyrics and songwriter attribution for Pete Mundey's Take Your Time. It's NOT by Loudon Wainwright I, II, or III.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 04 - 04:49 PM

See this thread (click) for information about the two versions of "The Good Boy" in the Digital Tradition. The first DT version is from Carl Sandburg, whose source was Lemuel F. Parton - Parton was NOT the songwriter. There are a few typographical corrections in the version posted in the thread.

The second version in the DT is unattributed - as explained in the thread, lyrics are by Bruce "Utah" Phillips, and tune is traditional.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Mark Ross
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:23 AM

Joe,
I notice that you have my song BILL PICKETT in the DT twice, under 2 different names, BILL PICKETT, and OLD BILL PICKETT. Only one of them is attributed to me. A small thing I know. Is it possible to fix it?

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: GUEST,Paul Kaplan
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 09:51 PM

Joe,
Three of my songs are in DT, which I consider a great honor. However, all three songs have mistakes, some minor and some less minor. Should I list the corrections on this forum, or should we correspond privately, or should I despair of getting them fixed? Looking at this thread, I have cause for hope!

Paul Kaplan

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Hi, Paul - I set up this thread (click) for Paul Kaplan songs. Please post corrections there, and Susan of DT can follow the link when she's collecting corrections. I've crosslinked the thread to the Digital Tradition texts of your songs.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Dec 04 - 10:24 PM

Paul Kaplan, I would suggest that you post the correct lyrics to the thread with the bad transcriptions- if there is a thread- or start a new thread devoted to Paul Kaplan lyrics. Post the complete lyrics, not just corrections. That way, everybody can see the correct versions. Preface each title with Lyr. Add:

Joe Offer may have a better suggestion.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:47 AM

Go Down Ye Murderers is till wrongly titled !

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:47 AM

Oh And By The way

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:47 AM

100 !!!

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Susan of DT
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 06:39 PM

Paul - post them here so I will see them.

Leadfingers - it is down to 100 because I have finally gotten back to chewing on this thread and deleting the ones I fixed, so this is my to do list.

The new version of the DT will be a long time coming (we have done 2 since the last one posted here) - late 2005 maybe. Dick produces a DOS version of the DT. The person who used to convert this into Mac/windows/web has other projects. Max's remaining elf promised to look into automating the conversion from DOS, but has other projects ahead of that.

What I am fixing is the master copy for the next version of the DT, NOT the one posted here, so links are less helpful than the title or filename as it currently appears in the database.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 07:27 PM

OK Susan - Thank you - Just a reminder ,

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Dec 04 - 10:26 PM

Susan: Please don't delete messages from this thread until the corrections actually show up in the DT! And I mean the version of the DT that we can see here at Mudcat! Otherwise how can I know which errors you already know about, and which ones you don't?

I don't want to waste my time posting new corrections if there's a chance that those very same corrections have already been posted and deleted!

I don't keep any record of what corrections I've already posted (or that anyone else has posted, for that matter). And my memory isn't that good. This thread is my only record!

I've put a lot of work into researching and posting corrections to the DT. I don't want to see my work disappear into a black hole. I want these corrections to be accessible to me and to other Mudcat users at least until the corrected version of the DT appears.

Susan, please find another way of maintaining your "to do" list that doesn't involve deleting messages.

Please keep in mind that if you take something off your "to do" list because you consider it "done" – it still isn't "done" as far as I'm concerned, if I can't see the corrected version!

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I have a solution:

Messages will be moved here to thread 71227 (click) after they are recorded.

Hope that's satisfactory.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 02:40 PM

[Yes, Joe. Thanks.]

AS TIME GOES BY was written by Herman Hupfeld in 1931, NOT Hoagy Carmichael (as it says in the DT) and NOT Hupfield (as it says in some places in the Forum).

See Indiana University Sheet Music Collections or Songwriters Hall of Fame.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:11 PM

ALICE BLUE GOWN
Words by Joseph McCarthy, music by Harry Tierney (1919).
A more complete version is given here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 03:59 PM

THE BAGGAGE COACH AHEAD should be titled IN THE BAGGAGE-COACH AHEAD
It was written by Gussie L. Davis in 1896.
A better transcription is given here.

Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 10:59 PM

BLUE HAWAII was written by Leo Robin, Ralph Rainger in 1937.