DT Attribution & Minor Corrections - recorded msgs

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 02 - 06:32 PM

The Rose of York was cowritten by Mr. Lesley Hale and Mr. Ken Thomson. The lyrics in the Digital Tradition aren't quite correct - I've put out a request for corrected lyrics and copyright information to be posted in this thread.
^^ -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 10:48 AM

I Had An Coat should be "I Had an Old Coat." On her recording of the song, Sally Rogers says it was by Paul Kaplan, written in 1985. He published the song himself as Paul Kaplan Music, his address is 203 Heatherstone Rd, Amherst, MA 01002 - http://www.filbert.com/pvfs/kaplan/default.htm.
With Mudcatter Dan Milner (Liam's Brother), Paul is co-author of A Bonnie Bunch of Roses -- Traditional Songs of England, Ireland and Scotland. -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Nov 02 - 11:47 AM

Hi, Susan - in the Attribution PermaThread, how about if we do this: When you've collected the information, you put harvesting marks after the entry for each song. When the next DT comes out, I'll double-check. If the entry had been corrected, I'll delete the information from the PermaThread. That way, the information will be available to everybody until it's corrected in the database.
Thanks.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: LDH
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 07:58 AM

Hi Joe,

Well, you got the names right but not the sex! I'm a lady - you better believe it!

Lesley Hale

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 12:21 PM

Red Rose Cafe has songwriter names spelled wrong up top, on the line under the title. Full names of the songwriters are Kartner/Donald Black.

And Lesley, I beg a thousand pardons. I corrected the honorific on your name above, and I promise I will never, ever again forget that you are a female.

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The Digital Tradition attributes If You Love Me to Rosalie Sorrels, but I'm 99.385 % sure it's Malvina Reynolds who wrote it. Copyright 1974, Schroder Music Co., Berkeley, CA (ASCAP)

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 12 Nov 02 - 01:07 PM

From Origins: All Around My Hat, a post by Malcolm Douglas:

The other set in the DT, All Around my Hat (I will wear the Green Willow), although it says "recorded by Steeleye Span", is completely different. No source is acknowledged, but it's actually the set recorded by Peter Kennedy from Harry Westaway at Belstone, Devon, in 1951, and published in Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 22 Nov 02 - 01:11 AM

TRELAWNY (Cornish Gaelic):   Please note that there is no such thing as Cornish Gaelic!!! (My goodness, you're lucky that I spotted this before Phillippa...)

Cornish is a Brythonic, not Goidelic, language,and is closely related to Welsh and Breton; it is related to Gaelic in roughly the same degree as English is related to Dutch. The Cornish text in the DT is uncredited, but it is a 20th century translation into that language from the original English, and was made by "Talek" (real name Ernest George Retallack Hooper), 3rd. Grand Bard of the Cornish Gorsedd (1959-1965). Although he based it in part upon earlier (but also 20th century) translations, it would presumably still be in copyright.

The English and Cornish texts in the DT were both copied from Peter Kennedy's Folksongs of Britain and Ireland (1975).

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Al
Date: 23 Nov 02 - 12:29 AM

Guest Philippa, are you by any chance Philippa Robinson?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 10:50 PM

Strike the Bell, Landlord - Words written by Ron Shuttleworth of Coventry, England.
-Joe Offer (per Radriano, who knows these things)-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Barry cookieless for the moment
Date: 05 Dec 02 - 12:02 AM

If you can (whoever's doing this) would put copyright 1998 words by Barry Finn for Ida Lewis in the DT. I think I'd be thanking you Joe? Thanks. Barry

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Hi, Barry - Susan of DT is handling all the stuff that comes onto this thread, and I'm doing housekeeping on it.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 05:11 PM

Two queries:

On 24 Sep Dave Bryant claims 'In My Liverpool Home' was written by Stan Kelly. My Spinners LP attributes it to Pete McGovern:
[1970:] The best known song of Pete McGovern, who has written a number of Scouser songs. (Notes 'Spotlight On The Spinners')^^

On 5 Oct ard mhacha claims Master McGrath was written by Henry McCusker. In this thread last year he claimed the first name was James. Which is the correct one, please?

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I see Susan of DT has put harvesting marks on the incorrect entry. - I'll let her know about it.
-Joe Offer-
SO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE??

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 05:31 PM

Stan Kelly (Bootle) wrote I Wish I Was Back in Liverpool, and others (see his website at Stan Kelly-Bootle), but never claimed to have written In My Liverpool Home. Pete McGovern is usually blamed for it!

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 07 Dec 02 - 06:17 PM

Thanks, Malcolm, for setting my mind at rest. I hope the first info doesn't make it into the DT by accident.

Which leaves my second question. Ard mhacha, where are you when we need you?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: masato sakurai
Date: 13 Dec 02 - 10:31 PM

"The Wreck of the Huron" (the original) was written by Geo. A. Cragg in 1878. See The wreck of the Huron.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From:
Date: 14 Dec 02 - 05:19 PM

Carroll County Accident - Several web-sites claim authorship to a Bob Ferguson.

Subject: Chivalrous Shark
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jan 03 - 04:28 AM

There's one line missing from Chivalrous Shark. Here 'tis:

Then he proffered his fin and she took it-
Such gallantry none can dispute
While the passengers cheered
As the vessel they neared
And a broadside was fired in salute.

Source: Song Fest
-Joe Offer-

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See this thread for full corrected text.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 08 Jan 03 - 05:04 AM

Appologies for the mis-attribution of "In My Liverpool Home" - I first heard Stan sing it in the 60's and always assumed that it was one of his.

Incidently, Stan was working with computers (EDSAC 1) in 1953 and that's nearly ten years before I wrote my first program for an IBM 1401.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 03 - 12:09 AM

Black Freighter/Wife of a Soldier has a wrong title. Should be just "Wife of a Soldier."

(Black Freighter is an alternate title for "Pirate Jenny," which is not yet in the DT)

-Joe Offer-

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Another one:
The DT calls it Folkie, but the title is "The Folker," written by Fred Wedlock.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:45 PM

Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder" was written by George L. Geifer, 1898. See Levy site for sheet music.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 05 Feb 03 - 09:50 PM

Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder" was written by George L. Geifer, 1898. See Levy site for sheet music

My error on the date of "Who Threw the Overalls in Mistress Murphy's Chowder"- The Levy site dates it 1937. I had 1898 in my notebook, which is probably wrong. The author is George L. Geifer, however.

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I think the Levy site is misleading on this one, Q. I have a Dover book called Favorite Songs of the Nineties. It has a copy of the cover of the sheet music, which lists the songwriter as George L. Giefer, publication date 1898. Other sources I have show 1898 and 1899 as the publication date. Some spell the name "Geifer" but the sheet music spells it "Giefer."
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Felipa
Date: 09 Feb 03 - 06:27 PM

http://www.themediadrome.com/content/poetry/churchill_dream_angus.htm attributes to George Churchill
others say the song is traditional
If you have further information, please add it here
(If you have info. other than regarding the author, there's a thread for Dream Angus)

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Feb 03 - 11:12 PM

What Does the Deep Sea Say? - songwriter is a feller named Woody GUTHRIE - note spelling of his name, so it will come up in searches.
I suppose it can be attributed to Woody, but it seems there are many versions - so the sonng might be better termed "traditional." -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Q
Date: 24 Feb 03 - 01:48 AM

Who threw the overalls- Re-reading the notes at the Levy site, the 1937 copy was published by the Calumet Music Co. I have an idea that the copy is a late printing. My notes (1898) were probably correct; did the Calumet Co. go back that far?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Mar 03 - 05:56 PM

Looks like we have two entries for Richard Thompson's "Dimming of the Day." The second is spelled "Dinning of the Day."
-Joe Offer-

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Also, please note the corrections from Malcolm that were posted along with the MIDI for Woman's Rights

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Stewie
Date: 12 Mar 03 - 06:06 PM

Meade et alia 'Country Music Sources' give 1899 as the date for 'Who Threw the Overalls ...'

--Stewie.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: Irving the Rover
From: Desert Dancer
Date: 05 Apr 03 - 01:38 AM

From Martin Grosswendt via his sister Tina Dodd when asked about "Irving the Rover" (unattributed in the DT):

"Irving the Rover was written by John O'Donnell and Truck Croteau VERY early one morning before we all left on a trip to Helen's (Schneyer) house for Thanksgiving in the blue Volkswagen squareback."

Tina says that was 1969.

~ Becky in Tucson

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 09:19 PM

Weight - should be "the Weight," by Jaime (Robbie) Robertson of The Band, 1968.

I didn't know the name until today - I always thought it was "Take a Load Off (Your) Fanny" - and I have no idea what it means.

-Joe Mondegreen-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Apr 03 - 09:39 PM

THE WATERFORD BOYS   Wrestling With Rats (The Waterford Boys): Harry Clifton (1832-1872). See sheet music at Levy:

The Waterford Boys

Discussion here: The Waterford Boys

What did you want changed, Malcolm?

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 May 03 - 01:53 PM

Not exactly an attribution problem, but we have the same song twice:
Mickey's Mouseketeers
Mickey's Mousketeers

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 20 Jun 03 - 10:04 PM

There's a song that's identified in the database as "GLOBAL VIEW (Monty Python);

This is the way the same song is described in the soundtrack listing for "Monty Python's The Meaning of Life" (1983) at IMDb:

"Galaxy Song"
Lyrics Eric Idle
Music by Eric Idle & John Du Prez

At AMG it is described thus:

The Galaxy Song (Duprez/Idle)

Eric Idle, of course, is a member of the comedy team called Monty Python.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 22 Jun 03 - 02:40 PM

There is a song in the DT called SOME LITTLE BUG.

The Lester S. Levy Collection of Sheet Music gives this info (and somewhat different lyrics):

SOME LITTLE BUG IS GOING TO FIND YOU
Words by Benjamin Hapgood Burt and Roy Atwell.
Music by Silvio Hein.
Copyright 1915 by T. B. Harms and Francis, Day & Hunter, New York.

A complete transcription is in the thread called Songs about a hospital (for school program).

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jun 03 - 05:40 PM

Please check the thread on Gordon Bok's Cape Ann. Despite the extraordinary amount of verbal abuse I endured in the thead, I think I'm right. I transcribed the lyrics from the Bok CD booklet, and they're the same as in the Bok Time and the Flying Snow songbook. The DT lyrics aren't off much, but there are differences (the tune seems OK).
But at the very least, the DT title should be changed so it's spelled Cape Ann (the DT spells it "Anne" - you could be run out of Gloucester for that).
Actually, I have to admit I enjoy the abuse...
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: OldPossum
Date: 25 Jun 03 - 03:42 PM

Walk Awhile, filename[ WALKWHIL has Words and Music by D. Swarbrick and R. Thompson, according to the songbook Fairport (Fairport Convention On Tour) 1976.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Peterr
Date: 02 Jul 03 - 11:56 AM

Dublin Lady, attributed to John Connolly, I believe was originally written by Patrick Carroll, tune by Andy Irvine.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jul 03 - 02:11 AM

I'm confused about The Miller's Will (2) and Locks and Bolts. Both have DT #328, and they don't seem to be related. I believe the three "Millers' Will" songs should have DT #348
Thanks.
^^ -Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Aug 03 - 12:32 PM

We have "Greenback Dollar" (Hoyt Axton and Ken Ramsey) twice:
filename[ GRENDOLR
and
filename[ GRENBACK - titled "Greenback Dollar 2"

The second rendition is probably the better one, although I could do without affectations like "greenback-a dollar."

-Joe Offer

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Aug 03 - 10:01 AM

The name of Bernard Cribbins is misspelled in the notes for RIGHT SAID FRED (CUP OF TEA). (He is correctly identified as a performer, not the author.)

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 22 Aug 03 - 05:28 AM

The 'New Morning Dew' in the DT is correctly titled
THE WHOLE WORLD'S TURNING PADDY and is by
Pat Cooksey

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Sep 03 - 01:26 PM

Hi, Susan -
On Okie From Muskogee, please correct the spelling of the title and note that the song is by Merle Haggard and Roy Edward Burris. Copyright 1969, by Tree Publishing Company.
Source: Sing Your Heart Out, Country Boy. The lyrics seem OK, although the chorus isn't sung until after the second verse.
Thanks.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 12 Oct 03 - 04:49 AM

I've just found that the great song 'The Yew Tree' is in the DT, complete with extensive notes, but no attribution to its author Brian McNeill. I'd be grateful if this could be added soon.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 03 - 11:12 PM

Note misspelled title of Lydia, the Tattooed Lady. Words by E.Y. Harburg, music by Harold Arlen.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Oct 03 - 10:45 PM

Correct attribution for THE FATAL WEDDING :
Words, W. H Windom. Music, Gussie L. Davis. Copyright 1893.
This is based on the sheet music at The Lester S. Levy Collection.

I have posted a new set of lyrics, with minor corrections, in this thread.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Oct 03 - 03:53 PM

Note extra words in the first line of The Lumber Camp Song.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Oct 03 - 03:21 PM

Uneasy Rider, words and music by Charlie Daniels, 1973.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 28 Oct 03 - 03:45 PM

SALLY WHEATLEY

The DT credits this to Alex Glasgow, though the entry includes "differing opinions" which identify the real writer of the song, Joe Wilson of Newcastle (c.1840-1874). There is plenty of documentation available, and attribution is not in doubt. Glasgow provided the tune generally used nowadays for the song, which was originally sung to The Happy Land of Air-in (i.e. The Happy Land of Erin, itself based on the American song The Happy Land of Canaan). Details at Tune Req: Sally Wheatley. So far as is known, Glasgow wrote the new tune himself, either because he was unable to identify the original one, or didn't like it; but he did not write the lyric.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 02 Nov 03 - 02:00 PM

I've been checking spellings. This list is probably not complete.

BALLAD OF HARRY POLLITT - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters
BY THE BANKS OF THE REEDY LAGOON – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndom-Read
CONSTANT LOVERS – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham Read
CRUEL SHIP'S CAPTAIN - should be MacColl, not McColl
DIAMOND JOE – should be Ramblin' (with an apostrophe) and Elliott, not Elliot
DIAMOND JOE (2) – should be Elliott, not Elliot
DIAMOND JOE (3) – should be Elliott, not Elliot
DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters
EDELWEISS - should be Rodgers, not Rogers
GAOL SONG - should be Wrigley, not Wriggly
GENTLE ANNIE 2 – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham-Road
HOBO BILL'S LAST RIDE - should be Rodgers, not Rogers
HOW FAR IS HEAVEN - at the bottom of the page, should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
MAID OF AUSTRALIA – should be Wyndham-Read, not Wyndham-Reed
MOTHER, THE QUEEN OF MY HEART - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
MRS. ADLAM'S ANGELS - should be Ralph McTell, not Brian Bower (which is misspelled anyway)
MY ROUGH AND ROWDY WAYS - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
PEACH PICKING TIME IN GEORGIA - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
RED ROSE CAFÉ – should be Fureys' not Furey's
RIGHT SAID FRED (CUP OF TEA) - should be Cribbins not Cribbens
SHAPE OF MY LOVE - should be Limeliters, not Limelighters
SISTER JOSEPHINE – should be Thackray, not Thackeray
TORN A' MA GOON - should be MacBeath not McBeath
TWIN BALLOTS – should be Vance Randolph, not simply Vance
VERY UNFORTUNATE MAN - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
WHY SHOULD I BE LONELY - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy
YOU ARE MY SUNSHINE - should be Jimmie, not Jimmy

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 07:20 PM

THEY DON'T WRITE THEM LIKE THAT ANY MORE was written by Pete Betts, as explained in this thread where Pete himself posted some lyric corrections and explanations.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Alaska Mike
Date: 08 Nov 03 - 09:56 PM

The song "First Kill" in the DT was written by me (Mike Campbell) in 1993 and recorded on my first CD "The Sculptor".

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 03 - 05:55 PM

Add author attribution:
"Wal, I Swan," by Benjamin Hapgood Burt, 1907, sheet music pub. by Witmark and Sons, from the play, "The Yankee Tourist."
(AKA Ebenezer Frye (on sheet music as subtitle) and Git Up, Napoleon).
Sheet music in Levy Coll. but not shown.

Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 03 - 01:17 AM

Looks like we have the "Ballad of John Williams" twice: 5802 and 447. Attribution to Johnny McEvoy is correct, says Martin Ryan.

We also have A Memory of You and Memory of You - same song, except that the latter song does not seem to have any grammatical errors (there shouldn't be an apostrophe in the possessive "its"). No attribution or tune for "Memory" - where did it come from?
-Joe Offer-

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More Duplicates:
1175 CHRTRAV CHRIST WAS A TRAVELER
9250 CHRITRAV CHRIST WAS A WAYWORN TRAVELER

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More:
8863 The Hash My Father Scored (Micca)
8864 Hash My Father Scored (Micca)

I heard this song sung by a guy in a cape in a genuine pub in England, and I'll agree it's memorable, but TWICE???