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BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'

SINSULL 05 Jul 04 - 08:30 PM
kendall 05 Jul 04 - 09:48 PM
John MacKenzie 06 Jul 04 - 04:29 AM
John MacKenzie 06 Jul 04 - 04:31 AM
GUEST,Noddy 06 Jul 04 - 05:28 AM
SINSULL 06 Jul 04 - 07:25 AM
Strollin' Johnny 06 Jul 04 - 07:54 AM
SINSULL 06 Jul 04 - 09:23 AM
greg stephens 06 Jul 04 - 09:34 AM
SINSULL 06 Jul 04 - 09:57 AM
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greg stephens 07 Jul 04 - 08:01 AM
GUEST,noddy 07 Jul 04 - 08:06 AM
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GUEST,leeneia 07 Jul 04 - 10:37 AM
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Strollin' Johnny 07 Jul 04 - 11:29 AM
SINSULL 07 Jul 04 - 11:50 AM
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Subject: BS: Scotland - I Know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Jul 04 - 08:30 PM

Actually I don't. Many years ago I saw this romantic movie about the laird and the wild north of Scotland, the whirlpool, the curse. That's the Scotland I want to see. Any Mudcatters up there? Any suggestions for next summer? I may go to England first. Just don't know...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: kendall
Date: 05 Jul 04 - 09:48 PM

The Celehi Place in Ullapool, Sandy Bells in Edinburgh, the Glenfarg folk club, and my favorite island, the Isle of Skye.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 04:29 AM

< a href=http://www.smithsonianmag.si.edu/journeys/01/aug01/ballad.html>
Corrievrekan
Try this link for both whirlpools, and Scottish romantic bits.

Whatever else you do Mary, you must visit us here in Lairg, there's a bed and drams a plenty.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 04:31 AM



Try again


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: GUEST,Noddy
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 05:28 AM

Stay north of the border you know it makes sense!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 07:25 AM

Thanks, Giok. What about the Shetlands? And where exactly will I find the laird?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 07:54 AM

The whirlpool's in the Gulf of Corryvreckan, Sinshull. It's a stretch of water between the northern tip of Jura and the southern end of Scarba, where the tide runs at 12 knots, and I had the 'pleasure' of sailing through there a few years ago. The rock which causes the whirlpool also produces a 5-metre standing wave which we went through - very pants-pooing!


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 09:23 AM

Johnny,
I am impressed. How much will it cost me to get you to sail me through it? (That was part of the movies, wasn't it?) So I've got the whirlpool nailed down, now all I need is a castle, a curse, a laird, and a wealthy fiance to dump. Things are moving along nicely.
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 09:34 AM

Corryvreckan is well worth a visit, though there are practical difficulties. I've been through a couple of times in small boats...I am innately cautious and have only done so when tide and weather conditions ensured a very gentle trip. The view of Corryvreckan from the top of Jura is reputed to rather thrilling in bad weather, thouygh it's not easy to get to..there is a ferry on to Jura, but no official road to the end. No scheduled boat trips go through Corryvreckan(for obvious reasons. However, there are plenty of well-found boats who will do you a week's holiday, or a day-trip out of Oban or whatever, and they will take you through if they judge conditions to be right.
    I would recommend Dorus Mor as quite a brown-trousers sort of confused sea place. It is another of those little gaps that boats like to slip through, but unfortunately so do tides, who often run into another tide coming in the other direction. In school physics tides are quite simple affairs, but not in places like Corryvreckan and Dorus Mor., It is more or less opposite Corryvreckan (towards the mainland), and represents the way into Loch Craignish round Craignish Point. Dorus Mor means "The Big Door" I think....it is a quick route into the safety of Loch Craignish from the turbulence of the Sound of Luing, but getting through can be quite a difficult task. And you can see enough whirlpools to get pretty sick of them!
   Basically, Scotland is full of fun. Enjoy it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 09:57 AM

The Legend of the Corryvreckan...
A Scandinavian Prince, Breakan, fell in love with a Princess of the Island, whose father consented to the marriage, on condition that Breakan should show his skill and courage by anchoring his boat for three days and three nights in the whirlpool.

Breakan accepted the challenge and returned to Norway, where he had three cables made.. one of hemp, one of wool and one from maidens' hair. The women of Norway willingly cut off their hair and plaited the rope. It was believed that the purity and innocence of the maidens would give the rope strength to stand the strain.

Breakan returned and anchored in the whirlpool. On the first day the hemp rope parted, but they survived the night. On the second day, the woollen rope parted in a strong wind, but they survived the night again.

On the last day they set the plaited cable of hair and all went well until a gale of wind broke the rope. The boat was sucked under by the currents and a surviving crewman and Breakan's dog dragged the body of Breakan ashore - he was buried in the King's Cave.

When the crewman finally made it home again and told of Breakan's fate, one of the young Norwegian ladies was consumed with guilt, as she was not as pure as she had made out - it had been her hair which weakened the rope


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 01:07 PM

My small boat was a 300-ton schooner! Still a bit of a 'Bring Me My Brown Trousers' jobbie though!
:0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jul 04 - 02:06 PM

Is it worse than Carybdis?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 07:44 AM

It's very serious stuff indeed, and not to be messed with! The Admiralty Charts of the area describe it as 'un-navigable' but it can be sailed through with care at the right state of tide. I'd be very nervous about taking a small boat through at any time, although I have seen film of people kayaking through there, and even scuba-divers diving on the submerged (49 metres) rock and scourpit which causes the whirlpool/wave (albeit only for a 20-minute period around slack-water).

J :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 07:48 AM

Giok:

Good link! Thanks!

8-{E

I am afraid that I have only visited the Maelstrom, in Norway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:01 AM

beardedbruce: dont just tickle our fancies. What is the maelstrom like?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: GUEST,noddy
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:06 AM

Scuba diving in the CorryvreckAn SCARY! Sailing through it even in 300 tons of ship Perhaps. But I will just sit at home and read the news papers.

Oh Lots of castles to chose from all over Scotland.

Castle Menzies just out side of Abefeldy sometimes has music evenings in its great hall. And the laird is known to invite all the audience down to his bar in the dungeons for some late night refreshments and more entertainment. We left at 3.00am the party still going strong and his comment was "But the night is but a pup". we had to go!
And just down the road is the Taybank Hotel in Dunkeld a must for any visitor and lover of music.

Visit the Perhshire tourist board site for lots of whats on when.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:11 AM

Anybody wants a look at Corryvreckan, come to the Boat Band gig in Ardfern on August 7. Before or after the gig, pop down to Craignish point at the end of the road, or go up the lane behind Arfern, heading up Soroba Hill towards Lunga, till you are looking down into the Sound of Luing and across to Corryvreckan. This is one of the most amazing viewpoints I have ever seen...try to count how many islands you can see...on a clear day it's very difficult to come up with a consistent number.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:24 AM

greg,

It was a wide inlet from the sea, one of the few I visited in Norway that did not have mountains coming down to the water. Standing on the rock shelf, I looked out over what seemed a flat expanse of water- until I noticed small waves, about 6 inches high, running is several directions. At the same time. Not quite a whirlpool, but very fast moving water, some going out to sea, some in, some just across the flow. No boats on it when I saw it, so not sure how fast it was going.
the waves were moving at about 10 ft per second, I guess.
That was in 1972...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:35 AM

beardedbruce: thanks a lot. Sounds a lot like Dorus Mor, the small waves going in all directions, even on a flat day.
   Most of these dodgy places...Corryvreckan, Dorus Mor, Kull of Kintyre and doubtless the maelstrom, can be taken very easily in calm seas and at the right tide time. But wo betide you if you get it wrong.A point to remember(I've found this out the hard way): books of sailing directions can have mis-prints in tidal information. This doesnt always matter, but it did to me once going between Sanda and the Mull of Kintyre.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 10:37 AM

"When the crewmen finally made it home again and told of Breakan's fate, one of the young Norwegian ladies was consumed with guilt, as she was not as pure as she had made out - it had been her hair which weakened the rope"

Eve
Pandora
Guinevere
Nurse Cratched
and now this

Another plot uses a hackneyed trick - stick in a woman (preferably in a minor part) and make it all her fault.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: GUEST,leeneia again
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 10:49 AM

To address your question of where to go in Scotland, let me tell you how we've done it.

1. If you are not used to driving on the left, get some toy cars, draw some maps on big sheets of paper, and practice driving the toy cars on the left. You'd be amazed how much it helps.

The best maps are those sketched out from actual street layouts, the more complicated the better. Practice making right turns, left turns, lane changes, and going in and out of driveways, and whatever other maneuvres (sp) you can think of.

2. Obtain the best map you can. We used a book of topographic maps bound in a spiral notebook and published by the government. Sorry I can't lay my hands on it right now to give you the correct name. It showed hills, major and minor roads, towns, nature reserves and cultural sights such as castles and stone circles.

3. Go to Inverness or Perth by train, rent the smallest car you can get, and start exploring to the north and west, as your fancy dictates. You want the small car for easier passing on the one-lane roads and more better mileage, because fuel is expensive.

4. I cannot recommend getting a car in a really big city and driving on the major highways. A vacation is supposed to be relaxing and restorative.

5. If you are bird-watcher, be aware that the bird reserves they indicate may be for over-wintering birds and are virtually empty in the summer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 11:29 AM

Sinsull,

Places to go on the West side of Scotland:-

Loch Lomond - wonderful scenery only 30-40 minutes from Glasgie

Inverary - beautiful drive from Glasgie, take a look at the Inverary Gaol (Jail to you foreign Johnnies!) :0)

Drive from Loch Lomond to Fort William - some of the best scenery anywhere, including Rannoch Moor and Glencoe. Glencoe Visitor Centre and old village well worth a visit.

Cross the Corran Narrows (between Ballachulish and Fort William) by the ferry, turn left off the ferry and take the road through the Morvern Hills, by Loch Sunart out to Ardnamurchan Point, the most westerly point on the British mainland. Nice lighthouse, museum and tea-rooms there. Wonderful views across the sea of the north tip of Mull, Rum, Eigg, Muck and Skye, rain permitting :0) And it's fairly devoid of those pesky tourists.

Take 'The Jacobite' steam train from Fort William to Mallaig - stays in Mallaig a couple of hours, enough time to look round and have lunch at The Backpackers Rest (try the Cullen Skink and a pint of prawns), then returns to Fort William. Wonderful scenery and the train passes over the curved viaduct seen in the 2nd Harry Potter film.

Drive the Fort William - Inverness road through Fort Augustus (more good food) and up bt Loch Ness (forget about monsters, it's just a story the locals invented to get the daft tourists to spend money up there!)

Skye - take the Road to the Isles out by Loch Garry, passes through beautiful mountains and along loch-sides, visit Castle Eilann Donan on the way, cross the Skye Bridge. Skye is heaven on Earth - attractions include The Storr, The Quiraing (both volcanic lava flows), Dunvegan Castle (don't forget the boatie trip to see the seals out in the loch) and THE CUILLINS!! And a lot of other stuff.

Just a few of the 'Touristy' but nice bits out West. Lots more, too much to go into just now.

Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 11:50 AM

Thank you.
Sad note to self: the whirlpool in tne movie is NOT Corryvreckan which was deemed too dangerous for filming which makes no sense to me since the scenes with actors are obviously filmed against a screen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 11:53 AM

Sinsull: do go and look at Corryvreckan.you wont regret it, even if it's not doing anything dangerous looking that day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 12:36 PM

It and Giok are on my itinerary. Thanks, Greg.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 12:59 PM

Well if you've got a native guide you'll have no problem getting around safely! Just watch out for midges - those little b'stards have big teeth!! :0)
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 01:53 PM

Anything like Maine blackflies or NYC gnats?
Where are you Johnny - you seem to have travelled widely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 02:02 PM

Quite why they make horror films about sharks, killer bees or birds I dont know, when they've got Scottish midges available.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Megan L
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 03:03 PM

Johnny you forgot to mention the brig at Inverary :) Shetland wild and beautifull but expensive to reach. Sins we could do you the Laird the castle on Orkney but Uncle John is in his 80s now and would be upset if folk called him the laird.

We just came back from a wee walk at yesnaby scotland to your left and somewhere out there america, it is a lovely evening and so peacefull.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 04:06 PM

Went to Dunrobin Castle today, the ancestral home of the Dukes of Sutherland. One of whom was responsible for the arrival in the US and Canada of an awful lot of you forefathers. The Sutherland Estates were virtually cleared of all inhabitants during the highland clearances, with his factor being a noted enthusiast for empty crofts. It is however an impressive building and well worth a visit, especially in the summer when they have falconry displays. You can always spit on the doorstep as you leave.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 06:24 PM

The Duke of Sutherland (history is surprsing) also had a massive mansion in trentham, Stoke-on-Trent, and there's a massive statue of him on the hill above the site(it's beeen demolished now).
   If i was constructing the definitive Scottish trip,apart from Corryvreckan I'd get onto the ferry to the island of Mull from Oban, and take a look at Iona and Fingal's cave on Staffa(both islands a short boat trip from Mull). always music in the Mishnish in Tobermory(Mull), and many other places on the island.
   Iona is a very very strange place (even to me, and I am a very very normal person). Dr johnson, a cynical old sod, was fantastically affected by Iona. he said something along the lines of, nobody could go to the pass of Thermopylae (or possibly the plains of Marathon, I cant remember) without feeling patriotic, and nobody could go to Iona without feeling religious. And believe me, he's right. You will feel very odd there. it's something in the pink granite.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 06:26 PM

Ladies don't spit, John.

80 is a good age.Is your uncle independently wealthy, single, and heirless? Just curious. Of course, without a curse I wouldn't be interested.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Fiona
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 08:59 PM

I love that movie Sinsull, 'The Maggie' and 'Whisky Galore' are also worth checking out if you like that kind of thing.

As for you trip, you could do worse than to begin in Glasgow, like the heroine of the movie. It has to be said though, Glasgow's only worth visiting if you like people, history, shops, museums, parks, food, theatres, music and dancing. Be warned though, Glasweigians have a tendancy to be friendly and may well try to engage you in conversation, this is a normal local custom and you'll soon get the hang of it.

If you like myth and legend Kilmartin Glen in Argyll has an embarrassment of riches, more standing stones than you could shake a stick at, not to mention Dunadd, an Iron Age fort where they used to crown the ancient Kings of Dalriada. Steep climb up, but well worth the view.

http://www.stonepages.com/scotland/scotland.html

Fiona


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Cuilionn
Date: 07 Jul 04 - 09:44 PM

Forget the mainland & Inner Hebrides (or set them aside for a wee bit, and come back to them later)-- get out to Barra, South Uist, & Lewis & Harris. Wander the hills near the Carloway Broch, meandering among stone circles scattered through the landscape like myriad ripples from a tossed handful of sand. Head up to the northern tip of the Isle of Lewis and stare down the cliffs, with the seabirds careening and the dark waters roiling below.....

(Just don't go on a Sunday. Everything's closed, and I do mean EVERYTHING. I believe they still padlock the swings in the public park in Stornoway, to prevent any sinful Sabbathday swinging. That said, please don't deride the locals for this-- their pinched looks and grim religiousity are the scars of a terrible history from which few could emerge unscathed, and I've seen a better side of them: gracious hospitality and heartfelt, joyful singing at many's the ceilidh.)

An beannachd oirbh / blessings,

--Cuilionn


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:27 AM

Sinsull, dear friend, is their room in your suitcase for me? When are you going?

Allison


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 07:53 AM

Sinsull, I live near Lincoln, UK, but I've travelled the UK very widely by both land and sea.

MeganL - I did forget the brig, and I also forgot the Puffer that takes people on trips up and down the Loch.

Greg - didn't mention Iona, Staffa, Rum, Canna, Muck, Eigg as destinations because of the difficulty/distances involved in getting there, but you're right - they are absolute gems and should be visited at least once in a lifetime

Cuillion - How right you are about the Outer Hebrides, Castlebay holds some wonderful memories for me (the great view of the bay and Kisimul Castle from the pub being one of them) LOL! Also the view from the top of the hill. Magnificent! But the best of all is, of course, the St. Kilda group. Difficult to get to but, if you're allowed to land on Hirta, well worth the effort. A mystical place, you feel as though you're on the edge of the world. Definitely on my list of 'Must-Return' places.

Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 08:01 AM

Strollin' Johnny: you mention the puffer that takes people up and down the loch (Fyne, that is). Correction, that should be W"took people up and down the loch".Alas, said puffer, the Vic 32, has just had its boiler fail a safety inspection. This is going to involve a 2-year lay-off, at a cost of possibly £120,000plus(never mind two years loss of earnings). At the Ardfern gig I mentioned earlier in the thread(Aug 7), maritime paintings(donated by the artists) will be sold to raise money for the boat. And I am involved with setting up fundraiser concerts in Stoke and Liverpool in the autumn, for steam and boat well-wishers to dip their hands in the pockets to get this wonderful boat back on Loch Fyne where it belongs as soon as possible.
(Bit of thread drift there, but it had to be said).


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 12:33 PM

Greg, that's sad news. Any chance of some Lottery money? Seems to me that if the Lottery can stump up millions for the National Opera (and I mean a lot of millions, thirty at least!), a couple of hundred grand to preserve a fine example of our nautical heritage should be sweetie-money to them. Or am I just being naive?
J :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 12:40 PM

Sinsull, another grand Scottish area to visit is the Arran/Kintyre/Kyles of Bute region.

If you follow everyone's advice here in this thread it'll take you at least six months to get around them all! LOL

Best,
Johnny :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: greg stephens
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 02:58 PM

They are applying for some lottery money for the Vic 32, but they will only ever put up a percentage, it has to be matched. In any case, in the end it's energy, not money, that keeps boats afloat(isnt that Archimedes principle?). I mean, the fun of fund-raising events will reinforce the many friends of the Vic 32 round the world in their resolve to make sure she keeps going. The Clyde puffers are a wonderful bit of Scottish history.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 08 Jul 04 - 11:37 PM

Wendy Hiller and Roger Livesey in that film made me want to definitely get to Scotland and spend some real time there -- and possibly even live there for all the rest of the healthful times given to me. But I never was able to make it happen. The doc has told me to quit the Laphroaig. But I can still sniff it---and imagine I know some of the truths I hear you speaking at least. This is a good thread. And thanks to you all for taking me with you.

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Fiona
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 03:27 AM

You could do a lot worse than get hold of the Luath Guide 'The West Highlands-The Lonely Lands' by Tom Atkinson. He uses a curious mixture of history, geography, myth and legend and writes in a very accessible style. So for Loch Fyne you get local history and information as well as the tale of the witch who fell asleep in the sun and did not cap the well she used to water her cattle. The sweet water of the well overflowed and became Loch Fyne. I once saw two complete rainbows on Loch Fyne, it's one of the most magical lochs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Teribus
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 05:20 AM

Greg,

What about applying to NESTA, might be worth a try.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Cuilionn
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 12:02 PM

Onyane whae can get access tae the DVD (issued as pairt o the "Criterion Collection", Ah believe) micht enjoy watchin this maevie aince mair, wi aa the extra features. There's a hale wee documentary on the makin o the film--quite fascinatin stuff, in the verra airly days o "special effects." Ah appreciatit the actors muckle mair, tae, when Ah lairnit whit they aa went thro tae create the film.

Ah fairst saw this film--a raither bedragglit videotaped copy--durin a Scottish Gaelic language class, an oor job wis tae listen claise tae aa the Gaelic dialogue bits an try tae kythe & translate 'em. We haed sae muckle fun!

There's a local DVD rental plaice that haes a copy o this film. Ah've rentit it tae watch wi friends at least hauf a dozen times, an it disnae lose its appeal. Noo, if Ah can jist get 'em tae acquire a copy o "Whisky Galore" (said tae be the anely "all-Gaelic" film title for an English-language film), then Ah can stairt arrangin some double-features!

--Cuilionn


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jul 04 - 03:33 PM

Forget what they tell you, the Lowlands are a lot nicer. If you book you can stop in the student rooms at Stirling University and all the buildings are round a loch. Drive cross country through places like Peebles and Aberfeldy. Some of the most beautiful country in Europe. Edinburgh is unforgettable. Take in the Velasquez of an old lady frying eggs at the the Scottish national gallery and the museum of modern art just outside town
If you go right to the top of Scotland, its a long way and you can't travel very fast - its like Ireland in that. In Scotland you need a damn good car- don't try and do it in an old banger or the hills (actually mountains) will find your car.

The Highlands are magnificent but they go on for miles. I think most people can only take in so much magnificence.

Have a nice time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 10:25 AM

No Loch Ness?


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 12:50 PM

Fiona.... Not much sweet water in Loch Fyne these days.

Just more and more pollution from increased housing development for retired English people,and effluent from all the fish farms ,which produce fish unfit for human consumption...Ake


Just to ruin the idyll completely I'll post the words to Davie Robertsons' "Anthem for Scotland" when I get the time.
Scotland is just like everywhere else, slowly being ruined by the capitalists...


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 02:36 PM

Sinsull, I did mention Loch Ness in an earlier post. For my money it doesn't hold a candle to Loch Lomond, especially if viewed from the summit of Ben Lomond, and the best of the lot is Loch Sunart (especially in the Autumn when the forested hills around the loch are resplendent with gold).


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 03:04 PM

Loch Ness is not very scenic, I should know I looked at it out my front window for years. The Kyles are prettier than the lochs usually, the Kyle of Sutherland is lovely, while the Kyle of Tongue is better still.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Megan L
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 05:07 PM

ach lads yer no being fair to Loch Ness on a thundery day it has an almost claustrophobic magnificence and brooding quality you dont get at the more open Loch Lomond. get out in the middle of the Loch, its quiet safe Nessie has been vegetarian since St Columba gied it a telling aff fur eatin fowk :)


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: Amos
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 05:15 PM

Megan, luv:

What the fowk is fowk? I thought Nessie ate with her hands....

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 05:40 PM

Megan, are you related to littlejohncameron? I have the same difficulty following you as I did John?
Does anyone know where John is buried? I would like to visit him and share some single malt.
SINS


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Subject: RE: BS: Scotland - I know Where I'm Goin'
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Jul 04 - 05:55 PM

"Anthem for Scotland"
Davie Robertson.    Tune "God save the Queen"

Scotland the first and best,
bung fu' o' interest
By but its braw
hover a blink wi' me
ah'll tellye twae or three
things that ye'll maybe see
God save us aw.

Mountains tower to the sky
hells bells they're bloody high
By but they're braw
High on the craggy slopes
mountaineers hing on ropes
what an effin bunch o' dopes
God save us aw

Islands oot in the sea
some o' them offie wee
By but they're braw
Sail tae them wi' MacBrayne
suffer severe eye strain
tae mak' them oot through the rain
God save us aw

Castles high up on rocks
gerdit by token jocks
By but they're braw
wi tartan mak' great play
but at the end o' day
Westminster rules OK
God save us aw

Glenfarklas and Highland Park
Glencinchie and Cutty Sark
By but they're braw
slainte wi' loud halloo
we quaff the bricht amber dew
then stagger hame tae spew
God save us aw

Tartan clad fitbaw fans
sookin lager oot o' cans
By but they're braw
blootered on Special Brew
pussies aw pentit blue
some advert for me and you
God save us aw

Girls in Adidas gear
like rhinos fae the rear
By but they're braw
squawkin like craws an gulls
rings through their nebs like bhulls
no a braincell in their skulls
God save us aw

Dinnae forget the chaps
shaved hieds an basebaw caps
by but they're braw
gerdins waist high in weeds
rotweillers withoot lead
wee weans wi beastie heids
God save us aw

Scotland my native hame
deep tho thou sink in shame
By but yer braw
Oft tho thy name I curse
and grievances I nurse
Englands a dambed sight worse
God save us aw


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