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Subject: Need song suggestions - Irish emigration
From: TxCelt
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 11:23 AM

Hiya everybody,

I'm trying to help a friend put together a show and need some song suggestions. I have faith that the all-knowing crowd on the 'cat can help.

We're working to the overall show's theme, and we need some songs to fill out our Irish music part of it. We need famine-era "going to america" emigration songs, but here's the catch... We need upbeat. We've got a few like "Muirsheen Durkin", but I'm drawing a blank for more. We can also use upbeat ocean travel songs. Someone has suggested St. Brendan's fair Isle, to give you some idea.

Any and all suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

P.S. A wee bit of advertising... Here's what the show proceeds will be supporting:
http://www.irishtradmusic.org/


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: breezy
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 02:08 PM

do the slower ones faster!

song : Stattan Island

my source The Fureys

it begins with the line


We sailed our ship up the Hudson River

its very upbeat tempo




Wild geese


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: cujimmy
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:28 PM

Some people do " The Fields of Athenry ", upbeat but a lot of people don't like that because the song was not intended to be.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Deckman
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 03:40 PM

This might be a stretch, but I'm trying to help. How about "Starving To Death On A Government Claim?" It's to the tune of "The Irish Washerwoman. I hope this helps. Bob


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: TxCelt
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:03 PM

Thanks for the idea's... I'm not familiar with a couple of them and will start chasing them down.

Also, in reply to an offline comment I got on this... I did lookthrough the DT and the forums, as well as my own piles of songbooks. Since this is a "show", for an audience, I am trying to get ideas not only of what's there, but what other people might like to hear that I wouldn't otherwise think of. Maybe I should have stated that better when opening the thread, but thanks for the response and the commments.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Marion in Cornwall
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:26 PM

How about Isle of Hope, Isle of Tears as sung by Sean Keane.

lyrics


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:28 PM

The Wolfe Tones did an entire album on this theme which was entitled "Across The Broad Atlantic", and has 13 songs that you can use. Any store specializing in Irish music would carry it.
SOL ZELLER


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 05:57 PM

Don't know much in the way of upbeat Emigration songs. Wouldn't expect a whole lot really. People dealing with loss of friends, separation from family would be usually sad. That not withstanding, have a look at When the Boys Come Rolling Home

Now, once here, there was a thread on Happy Immigration Songs


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: DonMeixner
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 06:16 PM

Skibereen


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 06:33 PM

"because the song was not intended to be"

Thankfully things change...   

I'm not even sure 'intended to be' is relevant when applied to music...

Anyway...

I have a 'medley' I guess you'd call it... From Emigration to Immigration... starts with Fields Of A Rye... done, not up-beat per-say, but with a strong attack... With 'stones'... not like most people do it... all misty swirly and with no bones at all...

Followed by "The Outside Track" again, not slow... not fast either, but strong...

Followed by "When The Boys Come Rolling Home" abso-frigg'n-lootly played FAST!

Another good one, though mellow is James Keelaghans "Refugee"

Chorus
"All the ones who ran from war
All the wealthy and the wounded
That have landed on this shore
They don't mean a thing to me
All that matters is the one
Who will be with me tomorrow
It's a lonely heart
That loves the refugee"


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 06:40 PM

TxCelt, I'd suggest the song "Dixieland" by Steve Earl. This thread discusses it.

I know the lyrics don't look very upbeat, but the tune is (at least it is in the recording I heard it on - "Over the Waterfall" by the Conklin Ceilidh Band (Mudcatter Big Mick's Band).

Marion


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: semi-submersible
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 06:45 PM

TxCelt, you were clear about your needs at the start: upbeat emigration or ocean travel songs, especially with Irish links. Of course we may assume you searched phrases like emi-/immigrate/-ant, take/took ship, move/sail/leave to/for, travel, and bound. But this isn't the kind of query the search engines can handle well, so it makes perfect sense to ask.

Sweet Betsey from Pike and Home On the Range are optimistic about a new North American home. The Old Settler couldn't afford to leave his labour-intensive "paradise," until "Now nothing could drive me away."

I haven't heard the antebellum Come to Me in Canada yet, but Bartlett & Ruebsaat say "It was probably composed to be sung in the English Music Halls to encourage immigration to the Canadian west."

Such songs are mostly regretful, even if resigned: But still the blood is strong, the heart is Highland,/And we in dreams behold the Hebrides.
Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 06:54 PM

You should also look into some of Jed Marum's songs (also a Mudcatter, and also a Texan!) He writes/performs a lot of songs dealing with Irish immigrants to America. Here is a link to the lyrics page on his website.

In particular, I'd look at Mary McGuill, a love song from a husband who immigrated first and is anticipating his wife's arrival, and at Look Ahead Tommy, which is an immigrant's advice to his grandson to build a better life in the new world.

You won't regret buying one of his CDs, even if you don't end up using the song in your show.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 06:55 PM

There's also "Homeland" by Don McGeoch

a song about going BACK home after leaving...

A middle verse and chorus

"We'll go back with good reason
But we'll leave behind
The very best friends
That we'll ever find
And a country that's given us
Much more than we've known
But it just doesn't feel like home

Homeland... Homeland once again I will call you my Homeland"

:-)


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Leadfingers
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 07:13 PM

What about 'The Irish Rover' - Plenty upbeat with a cargo of bricks for the grand city hall of New York will fit the emigration bit .


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: TxCelt
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 07:14 PM

Wow... I actually use my work computer for work for a couple of hours, and look what happens! Thanks for the ideas, all. I will let everyone know how the thing turns out.

Just a bit of gratuitious repition, here again is the link to the "cause" we're supporting. if any of you are in teh area, give teh retreat a look-see. www.irishtradmusic.org

And Marion, Jed is a friend of mine. I actually got to hear "Look Ahead..." when he first brought it out to a session to polish it up ( or so I understood). The man is an amazing song-writer and a heck-of-a nice guy. It's a good thing that he's so likeable or I would be consumed with jealousy (insert grinning smily here). By all means, anyone cruising this thread who doesn't know Jed, follow Marion's link and check him out!


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 08:00 PM

Leaving of Liverpool
The Irish Rover
Westering Home
Wild Colonial Boy

They all move along a pertty good clip.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Marion
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 10:25 PM

TxCelt, I don't care how likable Jed is, I'm consumed with jealousy anyway! Is it the Herman Hall session that you're talking about? I went there while visiting Dallas this spring.

Marion


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: mg
Date: 12 Jul 04 - 10:37 PM

I think of Dan O'Hara as being an immigration song..not sure. The tune is quite chipper but the words are sad.

mg


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:11 AM

Thanks Leadfingers for the info about "The Irish Rover" - I always thought that line was - "A cargo of pricks for the grand City Hall in New York"

Wasn't Lawson's, "Outside Track" about someone returning to England, or wherever, after having been in Australia?


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Chris Green
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:38 AM

Not trad but 'Thousands Are Sailing' by the Pogues is probably the best immigrant song I've ever heard and it moves along at a fair old lick!


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: mooman
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 05:55 AM

A good upbeat ande "optimistic" trad one (I sing it myself from time to time) is Farewell to old Ireland. Andy Irvine did a fine version of this.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: TS
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 09:18 AM

TxCelt...a Canadian Eastcoast band known as "McGinty" has an original that has amazing lyrics...try a hunting down "Immigrant Shore"...you'll not be disappointed......Slainte!


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: cujimmy
Date: 13 Jul 04 - 02:44 PM

In the city of Chicago, Where the evening shadows fall, There are people dreaming, Of the hills of Donegal. - Christy Moore


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: MARINER
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:22 PM

Try some Welsh emmigration songs. Such as The Hennessy's "Tiger Bay" or "The Shores of Patagonia" They also do an Irish song called "The Country I'm Leaving Behind" which fits the bill.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: GUEST,Liberty Belle
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 02:56 PM

Look for Frank Harte's and Donal Lunny's latest CD on the song legacy of the famine it is called 'THE HUNGRY VOICE', it was released about a month ago and there are seventeen songs of emigration of that period on the CD.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 06:12 PM

Try GOODBYE MICK - it's in the database. "And it's goodbye Mick and goodbye Pat and goodbye Kate and Mary..."

maire-aine, cookie-less


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Celtaddict
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 07:56 PM

How about the relatively recent but definitely trad-sounding "Come Fare Away" from Jean Ritchie (aka KyTrad on the 'Cat)? As upbeat an immigration song as any out there.
Molly, come fare away,
Come fare away with me.
There's and island of dreams
Over the (rolling?) sea... (don't have the recording here at work.)
And in the thread cited above is one about returning home to Ireland (where more people are arriving than leaving in recent years, for the first time in 800 or so years), and "Sweet Enniskillen" about recalling the sweet memories of the old home but knowing this is really home now.
The last verse mentions
"I know I never thought that I'd fit in here
In this place of so much bustle, that rattlin' subway train,
But so many arms and doors have opened for me,
And those arms have wrapped around me, so here I will remain."
Ed Miller also does a couple of good ones about the emigrant (now immigrant) and the perpetual balance between loving the old and the new. (OK, he's a Scot, but they are great songs anyway.) One is called At Home Among the Exiles. And the fantasic line, "My only homeland is six feet high. For its independence I would die."
Drop me a note if you want words, links, recordings etc.
And there is "John Williams," about an Irishman who was thrilled to be emigrating to NY, saying good-bye to "the peelers and the landlords and the risings of the moon." This song has a "kick" at the end if you do not know it. (He is traveling near the turn of the last century, to build a new life with his new wife, in a great new land where he can work to make his dreams come true; he is so glad to be traveling on a big ship, the finest ever built; they say that naught can sink her....)


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Celtaddict
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:28 PM

Also "Emigrant Eyes" by Guy Clark (not in DT but complete words in threads), recorded by, among others, Mudcat's Seamus Kennedy and Geraldine Doyle (Danny's sister, title track on their joint album).


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: GUEST,JULIA
Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:17 PM

Here's a song written by Geordie MacIntyre for the anniversary of Scots landing here in Midcoast Maine in 1753

Promised Land Words: © Geordie McIntyre 17/08/03
                                                                        Tune: To Pad the Road wi' Me
                                                                        
        
1.It was in 1753,
In the summer o? that year
Some stood silent, others cheered
As we left the Greenock Quay
We raised a prayer to give us strength
An? banish all our fear(s)
As we voyaged to a promised land
Across the Western Sea?

2.We had maistly cam? frae Stirling
An? Glasgow toon as well
An the Greenlaw family, frae Edinbro
The truth tae ye I?ll tell?
There was Malcolm and Kirkpatrick
Miller and Johnstone too
Weavers, Cooperss and a maker-o?- slates
Just tae name a few.

3.The time was in oor favour
An? providence proved kind
Our course was sure and steadfast
As The Dolphin rode the wind
Those weary weeks drew to a close
When we saw the landbirds fly
Then Captain Couters smiled an? he said
The wooded coast was nigh?

4.We landed at Piscataquis
Our first port of call
Then north to Georges River
To reach our final goal
When we reached the sylvan shore
A pipe ? tune filled our ears
Aye, there was mony a fit that danced a reel
An? mony an eye, wi? tears

5.We had trials and tribulations
Which, in time, we did surmount
We knew the worth o? friendship
And the principles that count
This land has been a blessing
To me an a? my kin
So I raise my glass to America
An old ? Scotia far ahin!


v4: fit = foot
v5: ahin = behind

Also How about "The Shamrock Shore"

From Londonderry we set sail
All on the 8th of May
We had a sweet and pleasant gale
Going out of Moville Bay
fresh water we had twenty tons
For passengers did store
Lest we should want going to St John
Far from the Shamrock Shore

And it's up with the anchor and the angry billows roar
WE'll drink a toast to the times we had while on the Shamrock Shore

etc etc The Irish Rovers recorded it a long time ago


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Celtaddict
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 09:28 AM

"Bright Shores of Freedom"
recorded by Men of Worth; don't have album handy for who made the song.
Chorus goes
Come with me Molly,
My own darling Molly,
Don't be afraid of the storms on the sea.
When we [arrive there?]
We shall be married
On the bright shores of freedom
In Americay.
If that is the sort of song you are looking for, I can get the info and full lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 12:21 PM

Shores of Amerikay often has a jaunty waltz time -although the lyrics are pretty dismal. The same can be said of The Mountains of Mourne. The Irish Guards play Ballyjamesduff as a stirring march , although its usually a waltz.

Green Fields of ireland moves at a fair old lick on occasions.

sorry if I'm coming up with the bleeding obvious......


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Willa
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 04:33 PM

'Amelia Where You Bound To' might be suitable - she's pretty positive about getting to those rocky mountains despite all the warnings she gets!
The 'Voice of the People ' series of 20 CDs has at least one devoted to emigration songs.


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 05:01 PM

I know you want Irish tunes, but if you could sneak in "Greensleeves".......

"A Home in the Meadow" from the movie "How the West Was Won"

Away, away, come away with me
Where the grass grows wild
And the winds blow free.


midi here (not a good singer, IMO)


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Mary in Kentucky
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 05:05 PM

...or a gorgeous song, An Emigrant's Daughter, words by Barry Taylor, here (probably not upbeat enough)


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Jul 04 - 08:40 PM

well for sheer gorgeousness the setting by ralph mctell, but a bit of a wrist slasher as well. hey a jolly one The Rocky road to Dublin!


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Subject: RE: Need song suggestions - emigration
From: Willa
Date: 24 Jul 04 - 08:33 AM

Have just looked out my copy of 'The Voice of the Poeple vol4 Farewell My Own Dear Native Land - Songs of Exile and Emigration'Topic TSCD654

Most of the songe are about Irish Emigration.Green Hills of Canada, Killyclare, Craigie Hill are 'positive'
An excellent booklet goes with the CD and gives lyrics

Our local music library has the full set available on loan - don't know whether you have the same resource where you are.


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