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Subject: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Rabbi-Sol Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:10 PM Sometimes, when a song becomes popular, certain lines or lyrics are deleted from the original author's version, for the sake of convenience. 2 Examples of this. In Moon River from the movie Breakfast At Tiffany's there was another line (I forgot its words) between "Waiting round the bend" and "My huckelberry friend" which was in the movie and also in the original sheet music. It was deleted in Andy Williams' popular recording, because no one sang it anyway. Another example is in the song Shine On Harvest Moon. The popular line goes "I ain't had no lovin since January, February, June or July". However, in the original sheet music the word APRIL appears before January. As a kid, I used to watch the famous TV show "Name That Tune", with Bert Parks as the host. One contestant was denied a $500 prize because he sang the song without April. There was a tremendous public outcry, and the following week, Bert Parks displayed the original sheet music. The producers of the show stuck to their guns, and the contestant was denied the $500 prize. SOL ZELLER |
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Subject: deletions from lyrics From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:36 PM Hi, Sol - I'm after the original version of "Moon River," but my Johnny Mercer book is upstairs, and I came across this wonderful site first. It has a first-class MIDI for the full tune of "Harvest Moon." the same MIDI is available here (click). The lyrics, however, are the same as what you'll find in the Digital Tradition, complete with "April." -Joe Offer- This is exactly what I find in Johnny Mercer: The Life, Times and Song Lyrics of Our Huckleberry Friend (Bob Back & Mabel Mercer, 1982), and another resource, Reading Lyrics Moon River |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Rabbi-Sol Date: 14 Jul 04 - 10:42 PM It looks like there are 2 different choruses. They should have given the contestant at least $250. SOL ZELLER |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: GUEST,Gerry Date: 14 Jul 04 - 11:42 PM Don't know whether this is the sort of thing you have in mind, but what's commonly sung as Take Me Out To The Ballgame is only the chorus of the song as it was originally written. I've seen the lyrics to the stanzas but have never heard anyone sing them. I hope this doesn't show up twice - my browser did something strange the first time I tried to send it. |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Jul 04 - 01:52 AM Hi, Gerry - somebody posted Take Me Out to the Ball Game in another thread, with verses. There are lots of songs that have nothing left but the chorus. I think sometimes that's because the verses are forgettable - or they have a tune that's difficult to remember and to sing. Many of the "old songs" of the late 19th and early 20th centuries had verses that were more of a recitative, with a tune that wasn't related to the chorus. I've tried to learn the verse tunes for some of them, but many just don't click with me. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Nerd Date: 15 Jul 04 - 03:09 AM Our US national anthem has several ghastly verses which thank the Lord no-one sings. The verse they DO sing is bad enough! |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Rabbi-Sol Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:23 PM Joe, Have you found the original lyrics to Moon River yet ? SOL ZELLER |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:48 PM Not at all a bad national anthem you've got there, especially if people have the courage to sing the high notes, or a harmony if they can't make the actual note. It needs to be understood in its historical context, not as the song of a massive triumphalist world power, but of a small nation, holding on in face of imminent defeat. "The rockets' red glare, the bombs bursting in air" aren't being fired by the US forces, but by the British. "Shock and Awe" sort of thing, but with the targets refusing to be shocked and awed. And the unsung verses make that a bit clearer. |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:50 PM I think we're outa luck, Sol. The two wources I cehecked are about as authoritative and we're likely to get - and they have no differences in the lyrics. There's a site you can explore, http://www.johnnymercer.com/index.html - maybe they'll come up with something different. I have only one CD with Mercer himself singing - 20 cuts, and it doesn't include "Moon River." I've looked long and hard, Sol - and all I've found are the conventional lyrics. I tend to think there is no alternate "original" version Take a look at this page, a list of recordings of Mercer songs. Do a find [CTRL-F] for moon river. It's amazing how many recording there are of that song. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: PoppaGator Date: 15 Jul 04 - 05:55 PM In addition to songs like "Ball Game," where only the chorus is remembered, there are a lot of American "standards" (especially those originally written for the musical theater) that originally included an introductory passage or "verse," sung once, that preceded the well known repetitive structure of verse/chorus/bridge. These intros are routinely omitted and forgotten. I wish I could give a good example, but can't. I'm sure that many familar tunes by Gershwin, Irving Berlin, Cole Porter, etc., would fit the bill. |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Rabbi-Sol Date: 15 Jul 04 - 06:45 PM If the movie "Breakfast At Tiffanys" is available at Blockbuster I will try to get it. I know there was an extra phrase between "Waiting round the bend" and "My huckelberry friend". It began with "My heart...............". SOL ZELLER |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: John in Brisbane Date: 16 Jul 04 - 05:37 AM Joe, very off topic, but Mercer wrote a love song about a man cuddling a VERY large lady, when he discovered another man doing the same thing coming from another direction. Any clues? Not sure whether it was early 40's or 50's. Thanks, John |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: GUEST,Hootenanny Date: 16 Jul 04 - 06:47 AM John in Brisbane Would that be "Fair Fat and Forty" ??? I'm not sure if it's the same song where the guy says that she is so fat that he has to leave a chalk mark on her to know where he began. I'm desperately reaching way way back into my memory to recall this one. If I come up with more I'll come back. "I met a man coming the other way, over the mountain" Then there was a Kenneth Horne (?) piece sung to a well know tune - so well known that I don't know the title: "I've got a girl who's mighty sweet Big blue eyes and sweaty feet Her name is Isabel Malone She tips the scale at twenty stone" Thinking about it the tune was the signature tune for a popular radio series "Dick Barton, Special Agent" |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: pavane Date: 16 Jul 04 - 08:20 AM As Time Goes By has a first verse which is rarely sung! |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: JJ Date: 16 Jul 04 - 08:29 AM I believe the song about the large lady is 1947's "Huggin' and Chalkin'" sung by Hoagy Carmichael. But it isn't by Johnny Mercer. Music and Lyrics are by Clancy Hayes and Kermit Goell. |
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Subject: ADD: Huggin' and Chalkin' From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Jul 04 - 02:39 PM Hey, I found "Huggin and Chalkin" here (click), complete with a recording. Apparently, Mercer did record it - but he didn't write it. This Google Search (click) will take you to lots of information on the song. -Joe Offer- Huggin' and Chalkin' (Clancy Hayes & Kermit Goell 1946) I gotta gal that's mighty sweet, With big blue eyes and tiny feet. Her name is Rosabelle Magee, And she tips the scale at three-o-three, Oh! Gee but ain't it grand to have a girl so big and fat That when you go to hug 'er You don't know where you're at, you Have to take a piece of chalk in your hand And hug a way and chalk a mark to see where you began. One day - I was a huggin' and a chalkin' And a chalkin' and a huggin' away When I met another fella with some chalk in his hand Comin' around the other way 'round the mountain, Comin' around the other way. Nobody ever said I'm weak, My bones don't ache and my joints don't creak. But I grow absolutely limp, Ev'ry time I kiss my baby blimp, Oh! Gee but ain't it grand to have a girl so big and fat That when you go to hug 'er You don't know where you're at, you Have to take a piece of chalk in your hand And hug a way and chalk a mark to see where you began. One day - I had a yen for someone leaner, She was meaner than a mink in a pen. So I left her, now I'm happy as a fella could be Huggin' and chalkin' once again 'round my Rosie, Huggin' and chalkin' once again. Oh! Gee but ain't it grand to have a girl so big and fat That when you go to hug 'er You don't know where you're at, you Have to take a piece of chalk in your hand And hug a way and chalk a mark to see where you began. One day - I was a huggin' and a chalkin' And a beggin' her to be my bride When I met another fella with some chalk in his hand Comin' around the other side 'round the mountain, Comin' around the other side. |
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Subject: RE: Deleted Lyrics For Convenience From: Jim Dixon Date: 18 Jul 04 - 02:57 PM HUGGIN' AND CHALKIN' has been posted a couple of times at Mudcat already: here and here.
-Joe Offer- |
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